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CoE selling Legendary items for straight cash also unretiring Duke and Count packages

Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,876
So much for not selling Royal titles any more. They once again are selling Count and Duke packages.
https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/29382/november-2018-store-promotion?page=1#46

Best part is they now seem to have totally embraced the Pay For Advantage mentality and aren’t even hiding it:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/185699098748256256/516804628445134998/unknown.png

Straight up selling “Legendary” buildings for cash.  This appears to be the first of 13 such Legendary buildings they will sell and also the “cheapest” at $1250. This just reeks of desperation.

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Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • Nubz_UniteNubz_Unite Member UncommonPosts: 21
    edited November 2018
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296184351484542976/516816250480099338/The_First_of_Its_Kind_11-26-18_CaspianSnipehunterLegendaryBuildingExpositionLocationBiomeLimitsPromo.png

    here is the rest of the conversation, for anyone interested. 

    With the re release of Count and Duke titles for a one week period they also announced restrictions on the amount of titles one person is allowed to have and on top of that limited the amount of multi title holders within each layer of nobility
    Edited to include link to news post: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/29503/solving-title-problems
    mystichaze
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,430
    This shit makes me laugh. All I can do is sympathize for all those who got duped into this P2W shit storm before it was so blatant and obvious. It's almost like Caspian is trying to one up Chris Roberts in the "Biggest Dunce" category.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,321
    Rhoklaw said:
    This shit makes me laugh. All I can do is sympathize for all those who got duped into this P2W shit storm before it was so blatant and obvious. It's almost like Caspian is trying to one up Chris Roberts in the "Biggest Dunce" category.
    Ahh the difference is one dunce is however richer I mean by far richer than the other. Bet Caspian looks at Chris Roberts with stars in his eyes.
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 649
    edited November 2018
    I lost interest in this game.
    To me it's on par with SotA.
    Too much real money entering the actual game, either via assets, titles and what not.

    Next step is the telethon, followed by the auction of the developer toe nails.
    Watch this space.
    GdemamiZenJellysausagemixStrizzy12Caffynated
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Unsurprising.

    But at this point with crowdfunded titles, it's hard to make the case that the consumer shouldn't know better.
    Strizzy12

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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Why in the hell would anyone still be interested in this hot mess.  Shame though as it did present some very interesting ideas.
    Gdemami
  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200
    Worst part are the community comments on the CoE thread. All praises at the announcement of more P2W cash shop items. Seriously?! Does no one want to earn stuff in-game anymore?... SMH
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 649
    Worst part are the community comments on the CoE thread. All praises at the announcement of more P2W cash shop items. Seriously?! Does no one want to earn stuff in-game anymore?... SMH
    I just don't get this mentality, seriously.
    It defeat the point of playing a game.
    RhoklawcheyaneDragonJockey
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,876
    Worst part are the community comments on the CoE thread. All praises at the announcement of more P2W cash shop items. Seriously?! Does no one want to earn stuff in-game anymore?... SMH
    Most of those who are left are "all in" on the pay for advantage stuff.  I had the experience of logging into some of their Discords during the Links of Elyria event.  They actually function as though these people are some nobility.  More than one conversation hovered around which noble was higher on the totem pole than some other one.  Other conversations were about whether or not they could speak to so and so or if that person was too high and they would need to talk to someone else...

    That's all fine and dandy, but they also somehow believe that there will be "hundreds of thousands" of players that will show up at launch...

    Just wait until there is no mad rush of peasants that show up for them to lord over and they have to turn on each other like cannibals.  The fingerpointing will be pretty epic...





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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,336
    This is pure p2w at this point.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,283
    I think there's a certain MMORPG.com forum member who is actually backing this game, probably at the "Court Jester" tier I'm guessing. 

    ;)
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,213
    I remember way back a year or two before Wow launched,here was a Russian game that was all p2w and had some very notable people in the game.They truly wanted that p2w platform because it was like a cult for the rich people to flex their muscle.

    Now idk how that particular castles game was billed up in their media at the time but i do know,this is NOT the game this Caspien dude was pitching to us.Just more reasons to remind ourselves,you can never trust businessmen.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,283
    So much for not selling Royal titles any more. They once again are selling Count and Duke packages.
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/29382/november-2018-store-promotion?page=1#46


    Far too much math necessary to explain what the heck they are doing and why they are doing it.

    This game is going to require more spreadsheets than EVE just to play it.


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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,119
    Legendary buildings?  Why can't I get the image of an outhouse out of my head?



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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,213
    I also do not understand the mentality of just buying things in a video game.The purpose is to PLAY the game.This type of mentality is simply turning gaming into a place to pull out the credit card,how is that considered gaming?

    I can see it now,LeBron James about to dunk the basketball but ...WAIT,he has to stop,pull out his credit card and make a p2w transaction to make sure the basketball goes in and doesn't miss.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,283
    edited November 2018
    TEKK3N said:
    I lost interest in this game.
    To me it's on par with SotA.
    Too much real money entering the actual game, either via assets, titles and what not.

    Next step is the telethon, followed by the auction of the developer toe nails.
    Watch this space.
    Actually it will probably be a lot more outrageous than SotA; unlike RG Caspian hasn't found any additional funding that we know of outside of what has been raised from the backers. 

    Recall the original KSer funding was to build a proof of concept (wonder where that is?) which would draw in investors.

    Without stong additional sales their burn rate will likely force them into scaling back sometime around the middle of 2019 or so. 

    We know one person abruptly left during one of the recent events causing a minor disruption, expect others will leave just as part of natural churn, will be interesting to see if replacements are hired.




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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,876
    Kyleran said:
    So much for not selling Royal titles any more. They once again are selling Count and Duke packages.
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/29382/november-2018-store-promotion?page=1#46


    Far too much math necessary to explain what the heck they are doing and why they are doing it.

    This game is going to require more spreadsheets than EVE just to play it.


    But as Caspien says... it’s all guided by the principle of “love for the customer”
     ;) 

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,119
    Kyleran said:
    So much for not selling Royal titles any more. They once again are selling Count and Duke packages.
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/29382/november-2018-store-promotion?page=1#46


    Far too much math necessary to explain what the heck they are doing and why they are doing it.

    This game is going to require more spreadsheets than EVE just to play it.


    But as Caspien says... it’s all guided by the principle of “love for the customer”
     ;) 
    I'm pretty sure he meant "love for the customer...'s money".



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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,876
    edited November 2018
    Apparently, the first Legendary sold for $1250 is the Last Oasis Tavern



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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,452
    Kyleran said:

    Recall the original KSer funding was to build a proof of concept (wonder where that is?) which would draw in investors.
    I thought that their so-called "proof of concept" was that shallow little parkour demo they did at E3 or wherever a couple years back?

    I assumed that was their visual pitch to investors.
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    The saying to many chiefs and not enough indians is going to apply to this game me thinks.
    Nyctelios
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,336
    edited November 2018
    The saying to many chiefs and not enough indians is going to apply to this game me thinks.
    That's a mentality you'll find in any rpg in which there are classes, roles or a certain type of community in a virtual society focused on role play.

    From the servers of Neverwinter Online (1 and 2) I played, only 2 did not have that problem: Everyone were these epic elves with over 2k years old who saw the dawn of time (With a level 1 character ¬¬) spoke with gods, had sex with angels, saw all the corners of Faerun and, of course, knew all the lore even the most obscure ones... Like.... Nobody was a farmer who decided to be a fighter because some trivial thing which is exactly the most common background and what you'll find the most.

    I call it the "Red Ranger syndrome", where the player insists he is the most colorful character in the world, the most special being in the universe and he is the main character... Not the world and it's tales.... He is the most precious thing in the world.

    And it get worse since 90% of people who play some sort of role playing game (this is based on my experience and nothing else) do so because of pure need for power fantasy... And not because they want to be challenged with the unexpected - which is the core of what RPG really is.

    So, you get these situations where you'll go in some small village where everyone is a powerful special something and nobody is a, well, nobody, which makes no f-ing sense.

    So I predict this will happen to this game, something that already happen in most RPG servers of games out there: People will only interact with others in a social manner where the actions of said others fulfill their power fantasy. And if you try to engage in any role play or game mechanic interaction with them in a way that expose them and their character to something they don't want to (remember, rpg you only control your character, not the world and it's events) they'll simply act as if nothing happened or you were not there.

    It happened in every single Role play server/game I played. If I went with a certain low etiquette character nearby these Red Ranger Power Fantasy characters and did something like burp or ask a question fitting to my character but in any way degrading to theirs, said players would just ignore and act as if I was not there.

    It happened in neverwinter, It happened in LoTRo, it happened in WoW RP servers (back in the day).

    That's not what a social game is. That is not what a role playing social game is. And, as much they want to segragate everyone in favor of their power fantasy, it will never be.

    If you are a lady and someone burp around you and you find that disgusting act as if.

    And the most fun I had to this day playing RPG, regardless the game, regardless the systems, was playing a humble character. A folk hero. A farmer who wants revenge. A nobody... Who will become someone important someday, he or she hopes.
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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 191
    Count and duke titles were always going to come back. That much was basically a given. SBS has talked about bringing them back in discord over the months. Being lite version, so early backers aren't screwed over. 

    Now it seems there are talks they will bring them back after domain selection for even cheaper. But just the title alone. That's going to be fun to see how that goes down.

    As for the legendary buildings. I honestly can't understand who would buy it. Besides it's locked already in the map, so it be stupid for the person not to be start there. I just wonder how much EP they could have got for the same amount of money. We really know little about them, just they are written within the lore. Does that mean, other taverns around won't make as much money? Is that person going to be 100% better off? Who knows.

  • anemoanemo Member RarePosts: 1,692
    It's kinda of depressing when you realize these existing means that people who would have earned such status through gameplay, will be serfs compared to those that just bought these.

    Though that has been pretty much the only thing this game has been exploring it seems.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,876
    Torrsk said:
    Count and duke titles were always going to come back. That much was basically a given. SBS has talked about bringing them back in discord over the months. Being lite version, so early backers aren't screwed over. 

    Now it seems there are talks they will bring them back after domain selection for even cheaper. But just the title alone. That's going to be fun to see how that goes down.

    As for the legendary buildings. I honestly can't understand who would buy it. Besides it's locked already in the map, so it be stupid for the person not to be start there. I just wonder how much EP they could have got for the same amount of money. We really know little about them, just they are written within the lore. Does that mean, other taverns around won't make as much money? Is that person going to be 100% better off? Who knows.

    Looking at the Store page (total raised) it appears that selling the Duke and Count packages was the secret sauce they were missing for funding.  That and straight up selling some of the other items like Guildhalls for cash.

    I would not be surprised at all if he announces that the Dukes and Counts will be available for an extended period of time.  

    And these Legendary Taverns are just the first step.   Now that he has found a way to sell pixels for thousands of dollars expect to see “Legendary “ items every month.

    Good thing he turned down all those publishers that were trying to make him go pay 2 win with a cash shop right? ;)
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