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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    DMKano said:
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    It's called "damage control" 
    It is and ever company has a damage control team.
    When you need to call in the damage control team, it pretty much means you fucked up.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,195
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    You keep repeating this argument mate. But a Hard Rock band has a Hard Rock fan base. There is no evidence that shows mobile gamers would even like Blizzard, let alone become fans. That's like Slayer announcing they are changing genre to Pop and then Slayer fans burn down the stage and you say well they are just Hard Rock fans and their opinion doesn't matter we should seek Pop fans' opinions now. Well Pop fans don't give a fuck about Slayer. Slayer should work really hard to create a fan base among the Pop crowd and that hasn't happened yet. 

    The only people who care about Blizzard, who would purchase Blizzard's product, heck even know who the hell Blizzard is, are overwhelmingly disappointed with this announcement. The mobile gamers fan club opinion does not matter, they can't come out, because they are imaginary! They don't exist yet. And there is no evidence that Blizzard would become successful in that market besides hopes and dreams. 

    And yes, Blizzard guessed there would be a bit of disappointment. That's why they dehyped the announcement a while ago and had some smart-ass comments ready for this situation. But let's not forget that we are talking about a company that has been riding their fans with EVERYTHING they have put out there for 2 decades without an ounce of originality nor creativity in the last one. They consider themselves as Apple for gaming. They believe they had a cult following them and they could feed them everything they make, at any price - Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm ingame shop is the testament of that. So yeah, maybe they didn't expect their supposedly dying fans turn against them like this. 


    The thing is mobile gamers don't have favorite companies that they follow - yes I am talking about majority of mobile gamers. 

    So no mobile gamers dont' care about Blizzard because they don't care about any company - it's of no interest to them - what they care about is just mobile games that happen to be popular.

    So did Blizzard disappoint it's own fanbase - yes. Did they know about it - yes. When Blizzard trains the presenters before Blizzcon - they go through all kind of mock up scenarios - those definitely include being booed or negative reactions in general. 

    Will any of this impact their bottom line - IMO - nope. This singular event (talking about Diablo Immortal reveal) is not something that will make or break the company.

    Is this whole thing overblown - majorly.


    In the end - it's business as usual - this thing will blow over in a week or 2, and once Blizzard decides to reveal the next PC version of Diablo - all will be forgotten.

    Meanwhile the mobile gamers will be blissfully unaware of Blizzard, or anything else because none of that means anything to them.


    Trolldefender99
  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,381
    Do you think Blizzard's cache has somewhat diminished as a result of this announcement?
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 2,838
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".
    SBFordNyctelios
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    It's called "damage control" 
    In what world do you put your damage control team out for a hyped product launch. No, dude. You're just doing your own industry DC here. It was unscripted knee jerk damage control and it was completely ineffective. Everyone does "damage control" when they're put on the spot. Normally you don't throw gas on the fire to try and put it out though.
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    I don't think anyone blames them for releasing a mobile game. Not at all. 
    I think their fanbase blames them for not announcing anything for PC (and/or consoles).
     Rightfully so.
    The mobile title should have been in addition to information about a Diablo 4 
    not the main event.

    They can paint this however they feel they need to make themselves feel better but this is a huge letdown considering Diablo 3 is long in the tooth now. What 6 years old now?


    The Blizzard of today is out of touch and is losing the fanbase of the Blizzard of yesteryear. 

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    All I have to say is....called it!
    As did half a billion other people already. I think we all expected a mobile title I think we all just wished for something in addition to that to be announced.  
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    You keep repeating this argument mate. But a Hard Rock band has a Hard Rock fan base. There is no evidence that shows mobile gamers would even like Blizzard, let alone become fans. That's like Slayer announcing they are changing genre to Pop and then Slayer fans burn down the stage and you say well they are just Hard Rock fans and their opinion doesn't matter we should seek Pop fans' opinions now. Well Pop fans don't give a fuck about Slayer. Slayer should work really hard to create a fan base among the Pop crowd and that hasn't happened yet. 

    The only people who care about Blizzard, who would purchase Blizzard's product, heck even know who the hell Blizzard is, are overwhelmingly disappointed with this announcement. The mobile gamers fan club opinion does not matter, they can't come out, because they are imaginary! They don't exist yet. And there is no evidence that Blizzard would become successful in that market besides hopes and dreams. 

    And yes, Blizzard guessed there would be a bit of disappointment. That's why they dehyped the announcement a while ago and had some smart-ass comments ready for this situation. But let's not forget that we are talking about a company that has been riding their fans with EVERYTHING they have put out there for 2 decades without an ounce of originality nor creativity in the last one. They consider themselves as Apple for gaming. They believe they had a cult following them and they could feed them everything they make, at any price - Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm ingame shop is the testament of that. So yeah, maybe they didn't expect their supposedly dying fans turn against them like this. 


    The thing is mobile gamers don't have favorite companies that they follow - yes I am talking about majority of mobile gamers. 

    So no mobile gamers dont' care about Blizzard because they don't care about any company - it's of no interest to them - what they care about is just mobile games that happen to be popular.

    So did Blizzard disappoint it's own fanbase - yes. Did they know about it - yes. When Blizzard trains the presenters before Blizzcon - they go through all kind of mock up scenarios - those definitely include being booed or negative reactions in general. 

    Will any of this impact their bottom line - IMO - nope. This singular event (talking about Diablo Immortal reveal) is not something that will make or break the company.

    Is this whole thing overblown - majorly.


    In the end - it's business as usual - this thing will blow over in a week or 2, and once Blizzard decides to reveal the next PC version of Diablo - all will be forgotten.

    Meanwhile the mobile gamers will be blissfully unaware of Blizzard, or anything else because none of that means anything to them.


    Maybe... maybe not.

    In a few more years Diablo's reputation might be one of a shitty cash grab mobile game.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,195
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked it - but then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset. 

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    You keep repeating this argument mate. But a Hard Rock band has a Hard Rock fan base. There is no evidence that shows mobile gamers would even like Blizzard, let alone become fans. That's like Slayer announcing they are changing genre to Pop and then Slayer fans burn down the stage and you say well they are just Hard Rock fans and their opinion doesn't matter we should seek Pop fans' opinions now. Well Pop fans don't give a fuck about Slayer. Slayer should work really hard to create a fan base among the Pop crowd and that hasn't happened yet. 

    The only people who care about Blizzard, who would purchase Blizzard's product, heck even know who the hell Blizzard is, are overwhelmingly disappointed with this announcement. The mobile gamers fan club opinion does not matter, they can't come out, because they are imaginary! They don't exist yet. And there is no evidence that Blizzard would become successful in that market besides hopes and dreams. 

    And yes, Blizzard guessed there would be a bit of disappointment. That's why they dehyped the announcement a while ago and had some smart-ass comments ready for this situation. But let's not forget that we are talking about a company that has been riding their fans with EVERYTHING they have put out there for 2 decades without an ounce of originality nor creativity in the last one. They consider themselves as Apple for gaming. They believe they had a cult following them and they could feed them everything they make, at any price - Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm ingame shop is the testament of that. So yeah, maybe they didn't expect their supposedly dying fans turn against them like this. 


    The thing is mobile gamers don't have favorite companies that they follow - yes I am talking about majority of mobile gamers. 

    So no mobile gamers dont' care about Blizzard because they don't care about any company - it's of no interest to them - what they care about is just mobile games that happen to be popular.

    So did Blizzard disappoint it's own fanbase - yes. Did they know about it - yes. When Blizzard trains the presenters before Blizzcon - they go through all kind of mock up scenarios - those definitely include being booed or negative reactions in general. 

    Will any of this impact their bottom line - IMO - nope. This singular event (talking about Diablo Immortal reveal) is not something that will make or break the company.

    Is this whole thing overblown - majorly.


    In the end - it's business as usual - this thing will blow over in a week or 2, and once Blizzard decides to reveal the next PC version of Diablo - all will be forgotten.

    Meanwhile the mobile gamers will be blissfully unaware of Blizzard, or anything else because none of that means anything to them.


    I don't agree that all will be forgiven once they release the next Diablo for PC and console. Will this make or break the company? Of course not. I am not sure anyone thought otherwise. Will this break the franchise? Possible. Diablo 3 already drove away many fans. Now after 6 years a new Diablo is announced and it is a mobile title.
    If the current direction of their company and titles is any indication of what to expect from the next installment in one of the vaunted franchises that helped build their company Diablo fans may turn their backs on the IP forever.  
    This, in my opinion, is a bigger deal behind the scenes than they welcome.   
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

    A lot of people in and connected to the industry think this way Kano. I'm sure a bunch got a huge laugh out of that subtle "fuck you".

    And that's why Trion and SoE are dead, like the companies that will follow them, unless they have a change of heart and mind. The last laugh is the best laugh. Have your laugh now while you can and watch all that burn down around you. Keep saying, this is fine.

    Gamers are an odd and fickle demographic. Tomorrow we could all love Blizzard, if they do an about face and start making good games again. Or they could end up burning in a dumpster fire if the don't. Gamers generally rebel against belligerent interaction. Blizzard in a word is the definition of belligerence.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,195
    edited November 2018
    Torval said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

    A lot of people in and connected to the industry think this way Kano. I'm sure a bunch got a huge laugh out of that subtle "fuck you".

    And that's why Trion and SoE are dead, like the companies that will follow them, unless they have a change of heart and mind. The last laugh is the best laugh. Have your laugh now while you can and watch all that burn down around you. Keep saying, this is fine.

    Gamers are an odd and fickle demographic. Tomorrow we could all love Blizzard, if they do an about face and start making good games again. Or they could end up burning in a dumpster fire if the don't. Gamers generally rebel against belligerent interaction. Blizzard in a word is the definition of belligerence.

    The belligerence is due to the current state of the video game industry. There's not a lot of happiness for video game devs at this point.

    I think the trend of game devs leaving the industry for good will continue - because what most are realizing is that it's just not worth it to stick around.

    The truth is - the devs are not happy anymore, not at Blizzard, not at Square Enix not even at CD project RED nor Epic.

    So yes more companies (especially smaller ones) will meet the same fate as Trion and SoE - this won't stop, more devs will leave the industry and never come back.

    This article nails it
    https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/318588/The_great_video_game_exodus.php

    "Truthfully, I don't love my work anymore. But my life has been so much more comfortable. Ultimately, leaving the game industry was the right choice."

    Perhaps this is just the natural ebb and flow of things - sometimes you have to burn it all down to have a fresh start.

    But lots of my friends in the game industry are very much in the "leaving and never coming back" mode right now. They are just fed up and would happily take jobs that they don't like as much - but bring them a better life/work balance.

    Ultimately - the gamers are the ones who lose as the end result of all this - less MMO devs - less MMO games.



    Trolldefender99
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,063
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    They didn't know. One of the presenters was freaking CRYING...

    The level of absurdity you are going to defend this company is quite amazing.  I am going to go and check Scott Hartsman's LinkedIn and see if he's joined Blizzard.

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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,629
    What emulators/app players are for!

    Can't wait!
    Real Fans of Chess don't get bored!
    Real Fans of Soccer don’t get bored!
    Real Fans of Baseball don’t get bored!
    Real Fans of MMORPGs don’t get bored!
    What's your excuse?
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,063
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

    What fucking planet are you living on?   This is just totally disconnected from reality man.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,195
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    They didn't know. One of the presenters was freaking CRYING...

    The level of absurdity you are going to defend this company is quite amazing.  I am going to go and check Scott Hartsman's LinkedIn and see if he's joined Blizzard.

    Scott gonna be taking a long break - doubt anyone hears from him for a while.

    Not sure what your obsession with Hartsman is heh, he's just another dude out of work right now. 

    The only difference is he has a lot more financial padding and is not in the same boat as those who got a couple of weeks of severance and are living paycheck to paycheck.

    But also finding a job as a CEO is 100x more difficult than finding a job as an animator.
    Trolldefender99
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,896
    DMKano said:

    But also finding a job as a CEO is 100x more difficult than finding a job as an animator.
    Especially when you're a failure.
  • XarkoXarko Member RarePosts: 1,131
    edited November 2018
    I do not have a phone that can run this, neither does anyone else in my circle, actually. I do a have laptop and PC that could run a new Blizzard PC game, shame there isnt any.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    DMKano said:
    Torval said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

    A lot of people in and connected to the industry think this way Kano. I'm sure a bunch got a huge laugh out of that subtle "fuck you".

    And that's why Trion and SoE are dead, like the companies that will follow them, unless they have a change of heart and mind. The last laugh is the best laugh. Have your laugh now while you can and watch all that burn down around you. Keep saying, this is fine.

    Gamers are an odd and fickle demographic. Tomorrow we could all love Blizzard, if they do an about face and start making good games again. Or they could end up burning in a dumpster fire if the don't. Gamers generally rebel against belligerent interaction. Blizzard in a word is the definition of belligerence.

    The belligerence is due to the current state of the video game industry. There's not a lot of happiness for video game devs at this point.

    I think the trend of game devs leaving the industry for good will continue - because what most are realizing is that it's just not worth it to stick around.

    The truth is - the devs are not happy anymore, not at Blizzard, not at Square Enix not even at CD project RED nor Epic.

    So yes more companies (especially smaller ones) will meet the same fate as Trion and SoE - this won't stop, more devs will leave the industry and never come back.

    This article nails it
    https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/318588/The_great_video_game_exodus.php

    "Truthfully, I don't love my work anymore. But my life has been so much more comfortable. Ultimately, leaving the game industry was the right choice."

    Perhaps this is just the natural ebb and flow of things - sometimes you have to burn it all down to have a fresh start.

    But lots of my friends in the game industry are very much in the "leaving and never coming back" mode right now. They are just fed up and would happily take jobs that they don't like as much - but bring them a better life/work balance.

    Ultimately - the gamers are the ones who lose as the end result of all this - less MMO devs - less MMO games.



    I disagree and I feel like you're moving the goalposts because you don't actually recognize the issue yourself. To me, your entire perspective is out of touch.

    Developers are always asked to deliver the impossible in an unreasonable time for not enough money. It's not just game developers. It's all of us. The medical industry isn't any less forgiving or kind or easy or better paying for most of us. The glorious and easy patches are few and far between. Most of it is grueling - kernel, driver, data/ETL, application, systems, and web stack.Gaming developers and media have just sold the hardship story to readers who buy it.

    The grass is always greener until a season passes and it starts looking the same as last season and the place you were before. Everyone is excited to leave their old sector for the new one which will allow them to be the dev "locked inside" by the previous company or industry. That is, until they realize deadlines are still stupid and sales insanity rules everywhere, not just gaming.

    And your last sentence is why I lay my claim that you're out of touch because gamers will not lose out as a result of this. People who want to make games for a reasonable living will take their place and gamers will play those. You know why? Because we want to play good games.

    Fewer MMO devs that make shitty MMOs means fewer shitty MMOs trying to milk you before they close up shop. Maybe this will open up space for truly "indie" developers to make games. For the last several "indie" has mainly meant former corporate players trying their own hand at building a company.

    No, I'm not buying any of what you're saying. It sounds more like wishful fantasy and an attempt to drive the narrative than based in reality.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,195
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    DMKano said:

    But also finding a job as a CEO is 100x more difficult than finding a job as an animator.
    Especially when you're a failure.

    Well the thing is - on paper it wasn't a failure as the company was sold.

    In reality - yes, but the way it looks to board members (the ones that hire CEOs) - it doesn't look nearly as bad as it does to you and me.

    So believe it or not - Hartsman doesn't look bad in the eyes of those who would give him a job.

    If the company was flat out shut down, and all the game were shut down - Hartsman would be finished - this didn't happen.
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  • ElidienElidien Member RarePosts: 1,385
    I do not care about Diablo: Immortal. Its just another mobile game that I will never play.

    My issue is that they hyped it, then tried to un-hype it, then delivered to a fan-base clamoring for a Diablo PC ANYTHING, a mobile game. Nothing was included about a PC port or a future PC game or hell, even a "more Diablo news to follow next spring:. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Just a mobile game.

    They had to know their fanbase would be rabid. Right or wrong they had to see it coming. If so, then they just ignored their fans. If not, they are incompetent.

    Regardless, it is not the Blizzard of old. For many, myself included, we see it as the end of 25 years of great gaming, a great company and great games. That is why I am upset. The BLizzard that hooked me on WC1 and 2, sucked away my life in D1 and D2, blew me away in WC3, and responsible for 1000s of hours of my gaming life in WOW is dead and gone. Cheap, mobile, outsourced copycat clones is what we get and its an insult to fans that have followed and supported Blizzard for decades.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:

    But also finding a job as a CEO is 100x more difficult than finding a job as an animator.
    Especially when you're a failure.

    Well the thing is - on paper it wasn't a failure as the company was sold.

    In reality - yes but the way it looks to board members (the ones that hire CEOs) - it doesn't look nearly as bad as it does to you and me.
    The terms under which that company sold were abysmal. It was a last ditch effort to salvage what little value was left. It was not a standard corporate buyout. See IBM's acquisition of Red Hat for an example of what you're talking about. This is like the bank selling your repo'd house to payoff themselves and the other lenders. You still got repo'd. You're just not on the financial hook any longer.
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,896
    DMKano said:
    So believe it or not - Hartsman doesn't look bad in the eyes of those who would give him a job.

    Yes he does.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,381
    DMKano said:
    Torval said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".

    I actually really liked the way Blizzard handled this - they were in a no win situation. But then again - I am not watching this a disappointed PC gamer - that's not my mindset.  I know it's only a matter of time before we get a proper PC Diablo game - might be 7 years from now but it will happen.

    I think it's actually a pretty snarky remark - it's like "hey we know you guys hate this - but we don't care - you do have a phones don't you" - hahahah that's just cold 

    The response was not really meant to change anything - as they knew - no matter what they said they were not going to change anyone's mind, they audience was going to remain pissed off no matter what.

    So they decided - hey instead of being miserable - might as well have some fun with the angry mob "you guys have phones right?" 

    Classic

    A lot of people in and connected to the industry think this way Kano. I'm sure a bunch got a huge laugh out of that subtle "fuck you".

    And that's why Trion and SoE are dead, like the companies that will follow them, unless they have a change of heart and mind. The last laugh is the best laugh. Have your laugh now while you can and watch all that burn down around you. Keep saying, this is fine.

    Gamers are an odd and fickle demographic. Tomorrow we could all love Blizzard, if they do an about face and start making good games again. Or they could end up burning in a dumpster fire if the don't. Gamers generally rebel against belligerent interaction. Blizzard in a word is the definition of belligerence.

    The belligerence is due to the current state of the video game industry. There's not a lot of happiness for video game devs at this point.

    I think the trend of game devs leaving the industry for good will continue - because what most are realizing is that it's just not worth it to stick around.

    The truth is - the devs are not happy anymore, not at Blizzard, not at Square Enix not even at CD project RED nor Epic.

    So yes more companies (especially smaller ones) will meet the same fate as Trion and SoE - this won't stop, more devs will leave the industry and never come back.

    This article nails it
    https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/318588/The_great_video_game_exodus.php

    "Truthfully, I don't love my work anymore. But my life has been so much more comfortable. Ultimately, leaving the game industry was the right choice."

    Perhaps this is just the natural ebb and flow of things - sometimes you have to burn it all down to have a fresh start.

    But lots of my friends in the game industry are very much in the "leaving and never coming back" mode right now. They are just fed up and would happily take jobs that they don't like as much - but bring them a better life/work balance.

    Ultimately - the gamers are the ones who lose as the end result of all this - less MMO devs - less MMO games.



    That was such a sad article. I would not want to work in an industry like that. I think something has gotta give soon as far as these poor workers go in this industry.
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