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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,060
    Nilden said:
    DMKano said:
    Nyctelios said:

    Except that he asked 4chan what to ask - so this question wasn't his own

    https://appuals.com/blizzcon-attendee-asks-blizzard-if-diablo-immortals-is-an-april-fools-joke-during-qa/

    So at least credit 4chan trolls - as they are the source not the red shirt guy
    I don't care if he asked 4chan, his Grandmother, or a gorilla named Koko that knows sign language. The guy is an absolute hero.

    The fact that your defending this mobile only Diablo Immortal: Lord of the Microtransactions cash grab shit show says way more about you than the red shirted hero.


    Um what?

    I can't stand mobile games and wouldn't play Diablo Immortal for 1 second if someone paid me to do so. 

    I have zero interest in mobile Diablo - it's a hard pass for me.

    Why in the world would I defend it?
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 5,715
    Maybe future Blizzcon's will be cancelled - so as not to "disappoint" people in the future.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,741
    DMKano said:
    Nilden said:
    DMKano said:
    Nyctelios said:

    Except that he asked 4chan what to ask - so this question wasn't his own

    https://appuals.com/blizzcon-attendee-asks-blizzard-if-diablo-immortals-is-an-april-fools-joke-during-qa/

    So at least credit 4chan trolls - as they are the source not the red shirt guy
    I don't care if he asked 4chan, his Grandmother, or a gorilla named Koko that knows sign language. The guy is an absolute hero.

    The fact that your defending this mobile only Diablo Immortal: Lord of the Microtransactions cash grab shit show says way more about you than the red shirted hero.


    Um what?

    I can't stand mobile games and wouldn't play Diablo Immortal for 1 second if someone paid me to do so. 

    I have zero interest in mobile Diablo - it's a hard pass for me.

    Why in the world would I defend it?
    Sorry guy. Going back and re-reading some of your posts in this thread you just seem completely out of touch, kinda like Blizzard did announcing Diablo Immortal.
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  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,090
    edited November 2018
    #ImmortalDisappointment  #Neverforget 

    If you've been on their youtube videos, make sure to check back every now and again.  They've removed about 300k dislikes so far and have deleted comments with the highest upvotes on the first day (well written ones, though now that it's reached the "Streisand effect", people are copy / pasting a middle finger and asking them to delete that).

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,570
    edited November 2018
    Xasapis said:
    If the shoe was on the other foot Mark Kern would have a mobile/wearable version of Firefall while his poor fans tear each other apart about weapon/armor breaking mechanics during the never ending alpha of the PC version.  :D
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  • hamlathishamlathis Member UncommonPosts: 19
    :D
  • linadragonlinadragon Member RarePosts: 568
    I'll just bring this up. The rest of their shit is not ready to be revealed as they themselves said. While this is disappointing (these games are a dime a dozen on mobile atm). We shouldn't act like they don't have some further stuff in the works. This furthers the Diablo lore/narrative and bridges 2 to 3 a bit story wise. Hopefully they support it well and it brings some new fans to blizzard and the diablo frnachise and we also see a proper new diablo game put out on PC/Console.
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,535
    I'll just bring this up. The rest of their shit is not ready to be revealed as they themselves said. While this is disappointing (these games are a dime a dozen on mobile atm). We shouldn't act like they don't have some further stuff in the works. This furthers the Diablo lore/narrative and bridges 2 to 3 a bit story wise. Hopefully they support it well and it brings some new fans to blizzard and the diablo frnachise and we also see a proper new diablo game put out on PC/Console.
    We judge companies by what's already revealed. Anything else beyond that is just hope. 

    Playstation Experience got canceled this year due to lack of new announcements and they already had more to reveal compared to Blizzard. They understood what happens when you invite everyone to a big party then serve them an excuse instead of booze.
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,058
    Xasapis said:
    If the shoe was on the other foot Mark Kern would have a mobile/wearable version of Firefall while his poor fans tear each other apart about weapon/armor breaking mechanics during the never ending alpha of the PC version.  :D
    That tweet was actually part of a chain. Unfortunately twitter is a subpar media for meaningful interaction.

    As for Firefall, it was fun for the time I spent there. It was however lacking a direction and it showed when in each major iteration the game mechanics was changing the gameplay completely. If anything, Firefall would have like to have ended in Warframe's fate, not becoming a mobile version.

    I'll try and quote everything.
    Blizzard gamers are not smugly "entitled." Nor are they toxic, and they most certainly are not made about a mobile version of Diablo because they hates the wemyzn (the craziest blue-check theory I've seen so far).
    Since I was producer on Diablo 2, a lot of people have been asking for my thoughts on the whole "Diablo Immortal" fiasco. I hate to say it, but what you are seeing is Blizzard not understanding gamers anymore.
    There is nothing wrong with having a mobile version of Diablo. In fact, I would have wanted one as an option. But the way it was hinted at, and presented, and the failure of Blizzard management to predict the backlash caught me my surprise. Blizzard used to be really gamer driven
    Blizzard coyly played up the Diablo hype, which is a good move, but failed to anticipate that their PC based audience was going to expect...well...a PC based announcement. And that following all that hype up with a *different* product is a huge bait-n-switch feeling moment.
    Blizzard has said now, that they are working on multiple Diablo projects. They really should have dropped a teaser for their PC based project alongside their mobile announcement if that's the case.
    But what is really telling, is that this *surprised* them. They were expecting backlash, but they didn't have a plan for it. They didn't predict the wave. Any Diablo gamer could have simply TOLD you what would happen if you asked.
    Blizzard never used to have to ask, because it was made up of hard core gamers from top to bottom. We used to say we were our own harshest audience for our games. I would have had a line of devs outside my door telling me this was a bad move.
    The fact that Blizzard was a) unprepared for this reaction and b) had no plans to mitigate it even knowing some of it was coming, is a great disappointment to me. It smacks of "Ya well, suck it down" (sorry J. Romero, wasn't your fault).
    This isn't a toxic gamer issue, it's not an entitlement issue. It's just bad PR handling and ...a bad culture on the part of Blizzard I'm sad to say. It's a culture that says "we know better" and fits right in with "you think you don, but you don't."
    Maybe you don't know better, anymore, Blizzard. Maybe you've really lost touch with gamers and you are now in some billion dollar a year ivory tower. That needs some reflection on your part. Because that's out big businesses fail. Remember Nokia? Remember Blockbuster Video?
    Today's devs needs to talk to gamers all the time. Game dev has gotten so big it's easy to lose touch. Many devs stop playing games as they start making them professionally. You need to make an effort to connect and tear down the corporate wall and get to know your audience.
    And I like how Blizzard isn't blaming their customers (yet), but say they are "passionate." That's pretty good so far, but an apology an a PC reveal would be better. They are busy with Blizzcon wind-down, but I hope to see a better response after all this.
    As for mainstream game journalists, they ARE blaming gamers, and so are a lot of know-nothing devs in mobile and indie. To them I say: be prepared to lose a lot of customers and money. Because it's never right to blame your customers for your own PR blunders and learn nothing.
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  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,595
    "Personally I would rather do nothing than play a mobile game"
    This sums up nicely how the majority of pc gamers feel, the same who buy Blizzard products, who made Blizzard what it is, and who attend Blizzcon.
    So what if 800m in china (far east region) play mobile shit games and pay for those, we the pc gamers want quality games and that is what we pay for. There is still a fundamental difference between mobile games and pc games (and console games mostly), one is about killing time and counting beans and the other is about gaming.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,160
    DMKano said:
    Nyctelios said:

    Except that he asked 4chan what to ask - so this question wasn't his own

    https://appuals.com/blizzcon-attendee-asks-blizzard-if-diablo-immortals-is-an-april-fools-joke-during-qa/

    So at least credit 4chan trolls - as they are the source not the red shirt guy
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Well, nobody here is saying their move does not make sense @DMKano
    We are saying we dislike it.

    They have their right to opt to pull some candy crush fiscal year carnival move...

    And we have the right to dislike it because as fans of their IPs it does not take our desires in consideration.

    I don't get your point in trying to see their side. We know their side: Money. Edit to add: We just expected more from them. Because we like them. Such cheap move is something below them.

    I am saying that us disliking it has zero impact on Blizzards bottom line in case of Diablo mobile.

    This is literally none of Blizzards concern - they knew that Diablo mobile would have zero appeal to your average Blizzcon patron - these are not your mobile players.

    They still chose to announce it at Blizzcon because they lose nothing if the crowd was disappointed, so might as well do it.

    Mobile players are often unaware of upcoming games because every day there's a huge number of them released. The ones that bubble to the top have huge marketing campaigns behind them - Blizzard can do that no problem.

    People have every right to be upset about whatever they want - it's a bit delusional to think that Blizzard has any obligations to live up to everyone's expectations as far as what products they release.

    The core issue is - unmet expectations create disappointment,  and that is not Blizzards problem, people have to manage their own expectations 


    You think no one at Blizzard cares that this is happening?

    I'm sorry but you're wrong. They are busting their balls right now trying to keep it quiet and minimize the damage. They would not be doing that if it didn't matter.

    I am telling you that Blizzard knew about the backlash and was ready to do damage control months ago. 


    Well, the stuttering and stammering guys on the stage that everyone could see were stunned by the crowd's reaction would beg to disagree with you.

    Follow that up by the utter lack of simultaneous PR spin in the media and it's clear to everyone that this was NOT a reaction that Blizzard expected. 

    Did they recently hire Scott Hartsman or something?

    I agree that they probably anticipated some backlash. But it was way more brutal than they expected. I've never seen a crowd so disappointed and agitated as this year's Blizzcon. The facetious questions asked by the attendees put the hosts on the spot. They did their best to keep their composure. Unfortunately it did not go well for them. 

    If as Kano says they were absolutely ready for the onslaught. Why were the hosts responses so terrible and unprepared? Like a deer paralyzed in the middle of the road by headlights. I actually felt bad for the guys on stage. 

    I agree with you @Slapshot1188 . Blizzard for the first time ever were not master's of their domain. I wonder what kind of effect this will have on next year's attendance 
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Well, nobody here is saying their move does not make sense @DMKano
    We are saying we dislike it.

    They have their right to opt to pull some candy crush fiscal year carnival move...

    And we have the right to dislike it because as fans of their IPs it does not take our desires in consideration.

    I don't get your point in trying to see their side. We know their side: Money. Edit to add: We just expected more from them. Because we like them. Such cheap move is something below them.

    I am saying that us disliking it has zero impact on Blizzards bottom line in case of Diablo mobile.

    This is literally none of Blizzards concern - they knew that Diablo mobile would have zero appeal to your average Blizzcon patron - these are not your mobile players.

    They still chose to announce it at Blizzcon because they lose nothing if the crowd was disappointed, so might as well do it.

    Mobile players are often unaware of upcoming games because every day there's a huge number of them released. The ones that bubble to the top have huge marketing campaigns behind them - Blizzard can do that no problem.

    People have every right to be upset about whatever they want - it's a bit delusional to think that Blizzard has any obligations to live up to everyone's expectations as far as what products they release.

    The core issue is - unmet expectations create disappointment,  and that is not Blizzards problem, people have to manage their own expectations 


    You think no one at Blizzard cares that this is happening?

    I'm sorry but you're wrong. They are busting their balls right now trying to keep it quiet and minimize the damage. They would not be doing that if it didn't matter.

    I am telling you that Blizzard knew about the backlash and was ready to do damage control months ago. 


    Well, the stuttering and stammering guys on the stage that everyone could see were stunned by the crowd's reaction would beg to disagree with you.

    Follow that up by the utter lack of simultaneous PR spin in the media and it's clear to everyone that this was NOT a reaction that Blizzard expected. 

    Did they recently hire Scott Hartsman or something?


    Even as a PR fuck up - do you believe that this will have any impact on Diablo Immortal sales?

    You do know that when a company knows something that doesnt mean that every single employee is given the privilege?

    Blizzard higher ups probably laughed at the stammering and said "those poor bastards" I guess they didnt want to demoralize the presentation team hehe.

    Blizzard knew about the backlash, obviously not everyone working there knew.

    But hey Diablo Immortal will live or die by a how well Blizzard markets this globally - again the mobile masses dont know what Diablo and certainly completely unaware of any kind of a PR issue.


    The thing is as usual the only people outraged here are those who are not the intended players - aka non-mobile players, so they pissed off the customers who would have never spent a cent on Diablo Immortal - yeah heh
    I think the point you're missing is that while this might not effect their mobile sales. It could very well have an impact on their future PC titles/expansions. They are currently working on a new IP. After this Blizzcon, the fans might not embrace it right away like in the past. A good example is the reception Anthem has gotten so far. People are interested, but I never see anyone foaming at the mouth for it. Bioware pissed off their fans, so it's not shocking.

     For someone on the inside, you seem oblivious to what is really happening. No offense.
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    edited November 2018
    So the Diablo mobile title isn't even an original Blizzard work?

    They literally made a big announcement about how they were licensing skins to NetEase?

    /Facepalm

    I agree with @Superman0X, they are wayyyyy out of touch with their general fanbase, and it's starting to snowball between BfA and this Blizzcon announcement.
    @MadFrenchie ; I reacted the same way finding out this information. Blizzard has always built solid games. Building their own engines. Taking their time. So to read that they outsourced their second most popular IP. It diminishes any interest I might of had.

     I like mobile gaming. So I was excited to see what Blizzard could bring. Thinking they might revolutionize mobile gaming expectations. Instead this just feels like them trying to make as much $ as possible with the least amount of effort.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
     How does one know if a downvote is from a mobile gamer or PC gamer? What about a super duper gamer like me that games on phone, tablet, PC and console? Is my downvote counted as Pi?
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:
    DMKano said:

    I am telling you that Blizzard knew about the backlash and was ready to do damage control months ago. None of this is surprising to them - again because they know that 95% of Blizzcon crowd are not mobile players.

    Blizzard cares greatly about things that would impact their bottom line - upset forum posters and blizzcon crowd - they weren't gonna blow money on a mobile game anyways - so Blizzard is like - Fuck it  - we'll manage the fallout but Diablo Immortal can still be a major cash cow for us.
    Which is precisely why Blizzcon is a weird place to make the announcement. They could have generated the same buzz with 1/100th of the negative fan reaction if they had chosen to do the reveal anywhere other than Blizzcon.

    Expected or not the shitstorm of negativity they're getting is something you generally want to avoid.
    It may work for them, at least for a while. If they don't change directions, at some point, it will come back to bite them in the ass.

    Trion played fast and loose and so did SoE. That didn't work out well for them in the end. But Kano might say, Blizzard is on a completely different plane. Sun, DEC, and Red Hat thought they could ignore their core base and never evolve and they paid.

    Blizzard is only as good as their next game. WoW is dying fast. There are only so many times and ways they can spin that. The Classic release is a huge signal they're done. Done with ideas and energy left for the game.Of their remaining stable only Overwatch is a bigger player, but it's not in the same league as WoW used to be, or Fortnite is now. It's more like Dota or Team Fortress.

    The thing that lets Blizzard play like they do is the inertia they have with their massive game franchises. They're losing that and once it's gone they're just another company.

    Mobile is a double edged sword. Mobile games don't last like others do. So either a company gets in the mobile development loop or it's a one off hope for a good cash grab. My guess is this is a short term revenue grab to keep corporate numbers up while they desperately try to move forward with more solid franchises. I expect a Diablo 4 reveal sometime, and if that doesn't go over well, what else do they have? Overwatch skins? :lol:

    @Torval I was thinking the exact same thing. I imagine they have shareholders that need appeasement. Bfa subs are dropping and they need something to offset that lost revenue. A low effort mobile game would be a great short term solution. If it takes off it could even help long term. Guess only time will tell.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 4,614
    hamlathis said:
    :D
    Even if D:I isn't a reskin of this, the craziest thing is that Blizzard have teamed up with a company that cloned their game. It's like they saw that someone copied their game, the looks, the skills, etc... and thought, "Hey, they did a great job ripping us off. We should get them involved with our next project!".
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 887
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
     How does one know if a downvote is from a mobile gamer or PC gamer? What about a super duper gamer like me that games on phone, tablet, PC and console? Is my downvote counted as Pi?
    Because logic. Mobile gamers are not going to downvote a Diablo game in droves like that and we already know the pc gamers are doing it. 
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,060
    edited November 2018
     How does one know if a downvote is from a mobile gamer or PC gamer? What about a super duper gamer like me that games on phone, tablet, PC and console? Is my downvote counted as Pi?

    1. You announce a mobile product during a major convention that is primarily PC/Console gamers and anger a LOT of people.

    2. Anger spreads like wildfire - again among fans and people who want  PC/Console version not mobile version

    3. Blizzard anti-mobile bandwagoning effect happens globally

    The downvoting is a result of the above.


    Even if you downvote this as a mobile/PC/Console multi-platform player - chances are the reason for downvoting is because how Blizzard handled the mobile announcement - not the actual game itself being the reason.

    So again - it's obvious to conclude that the trailer is not being downvoted because those who want to play it think the game will be bad - it's being downvoted by those who are pissed at Blizzard.
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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,741
    Diablo Immortal proves that Activision Blizzard is out of touch with it's players. Creatively bankrupt and motivated by greed and not passion or upholding a reputation for quality games. All they care about is getting money from the mobile market.

    It's so self evident it's depressing and soul crushing anger being felt by most fans, myself included.

    The Blizzard that made amazing quality games like Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft is gone. In it's place is a Blizzard who partners up with a company that rips off their games with cheap reskins on mobile and they announces them at Blizzcon.

    No King lives forever. R.I.P. Blizzard.


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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 2,986
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
     How does one know if a downvote is from a mobile gamer or PC gamer? What about a super duper gamer like me that games on phone, tablet, PC and console? Is my downvote counted as Pi?
    Because logic. Mobile gamers are not going to downvote a Diablo game in droves like that and we already know the pc gamers are doing it. 
    That's a fairly big assumption to make. A lot of gamers do PC, consoles and mobile. I'm part of that group. So unless you have more than a gut feeling. I suppose both our opinions are valid. But only that opinions.
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  • cielyciely Member UncommonPosts: 112
    it can be immortal all it wants, but it will always be dead to me. hard pass o:)

    i honestly never liked the idea of playing games on my phone, thats the whole reason why i bought a console or pc in the first place.
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 887
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
     How does one know if a downvote is from a mobile gamer or PC gamer? What about a super duper gamer like me that games on phone, tablet, PC and console? Is my downvote counted as Pi?
    Because logic. Mobile gamers are not going to downvote a Diablo game in droves like that and we already know the pc gamers are doing it. 
    That's a fairly big assumption to make. A lot of gamers do PC, consoles and mobile. I'm part of that group. So unless you have more than a gut feeling. I suppose both our opinions are valid. But only that opinions.
    It's quite logical. You are probably in a minority group of people that plays PC and Phone games as well as follows Blizzard enough to give a crap and complain if they produce a mobile game. So like I said, most mobile gamers are not on there downvoting the video.
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