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Perhaps we can put away the torches and pitchforks

KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,005
edited November 2 in Ashes of Creation
At least for now.

I was able to find a short, hopefully accurate written summary of the video for those of us with real lives and it presents the Apocalypse announcement in a better light. (Streaming needs to DIAF)

As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.

If they keep it entirely F2P using it strictly as a drawing tool for new customers to the main game, then really no harm, no foul unless they try to turn it into a money maker of course.

So I will stop heating up the tar and plucking feathers from the chickens.....for now

 :D 

https://www.theaocdungeon.com/threads/ashes-of-creation-apocalypse-announced-31-10-full-stream-recap.307/

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  • WellspringWellspring Member RarePosts: 1,127
    If we don't speak up now, then what's the point? Is this not a game being built on community feedback, and a company that has said they like constructive criticism?





    In just over one month's time they announced an easy to build game mode being used for testing that "MAY" not be implemented into launch. 

    https://www.mmorpg.com/ashes-of-creation/videos/ashes-of-creation-live-stream-stress-test-news-and-battle-royale-mode-1000006217

    And now, it's going to be it's own F2P game? This is EXACTLY the concern many of us had. 

    They can promise how it's not going to delay the MMORPG side of development and how it's only being used for testing combat mechanics, but does anyone believe that for a second?

    The issue has nothing to do with how this BR game is being monetized. The problem is... KS never mentioned a Battle Royale mode. For them to now (after selling millions in pre-order packages), use company resources on this new game -- when they were supposed to be focused on building an MMORPG for the next few years -- is a slap in the face to all of us KS backers. 

    Finish the MMORPG first, then they can build whatever other game they want. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,713
    edited November 2
    I'd have to agree with @Wellspring here.  In just a few weeks this went from:

    • Being announced for the first time.  
    • Clarified to just be something quick and easy to implement for testing using no resources
    • Now it is billed as a standalone F2P game that everyone can join.

    Come on...  


    Edit to add:  Even if you believe the bullshit... it costs money to host these games.  How many players will join a F2P Battle Arena game?   How much will that cost?  Are those funds coming from the Kickstarter or at least from the main game budget?  Will even more resources be diverted to play balance and bugs in a BattleRoyale mode that has nothing to do with the MMORPG?

    Any bets on when the first cash shop items for BattleRoyale come online?  Or that they get linked to the main game?


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  • AmatheAmathe Member EpicPosts: 4,129
    Yes. No pitchforks and torches. What we first need to do is determine DOES IT FLOAT?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,005
    edited November 2
    I'll not be at all surprised if they eventually decide to monetize the BR mode while still claiming it will be for "the good of the MMORPG."


    Post edited by Kyleran on
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  • ThaneThane Member RarePosts: 3,021
    Kyleran said:
    At least for now.

    I was able to find a short, hopefully accurate written summary of the video for those of us with real lives and it presents the Apocalypse announcement in a better light. (Streaming needs to DIAF)

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.

    If they keep it entirely F2P using it strictly as a drawing tool for new customers to the main game, then really no harm, no foul unless they try to turn it into a money maker of course.

    So I will stop heating up the tar and plucking feathers from the chickens.....for now

     :D 

    https://www.theaocdungeon.com/threads/ashes-of-creation-apocalypse-announced-31-10-full-stream-recap.307/
    well, according to the official book of burning witches, he who defends the witch, is a witch!

    BURN HIM!
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,134
    If the BR feature is a hit (which I doubt) I would be very surprised if the mmorpg even came out at all. Would not be the first project to start as one thing and switch to BR in the end. 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,834
    I know what's being said but I want to see what is shown.

    But as @blueturtle13 said above, there's probably not enough there to make this BR a hit. That's some hope there for the fans of the original concept to cling to.
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  • GutlardGutlard Member UncommonPosts: 419
    If the BR feature is a hit (which I doubt) I would be very surprised if the mmorpg even came out at all. Would not be the first project to start as one thing and switch to BR in the end. 
    Poor Fortnite STW!

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

  • InteritusInteritus Member UncommonPosts: 198
    Kyleran said:

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.
    I hope the rewards from BR can also be earned in the actual game. I didn't back a BR game because I'm tired of them. I don't want to feel required to play BR simply because there is a weapon I want or a skin.
    KyleranTorval
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,713
    Interitus said:
    Kyleran said:

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.
    I hope the rewards from BR can also be earned in the actual game. I didn't back a BR game because I'm tired of them. I don't want to feel required to play BR simply because there is a weapon I want or a skin.
    I'm sure you will be able to buy them if all else fails :)
    KyleranTorval

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • InteritusInteritus Member UncommonPosts: 198
    Interitus said:
    Kyleran said:

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.
    I hope the rewards from BR can also be earned in the actual game. I didn't back a BR game because I'm tired of them. I don't want to feel required to play BR simply because there is a weapon I want or a skin.
    I'm sure you will be able to buy them if all else fails :)
    I'm more concerned if the items can be earned in BR, they should be able to be earned in the MMO. I don't want to pay for something I can earn in the BR, because again, I didn't KS a BR.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,713
    Interitus said:
    Interitus said:
    Kyleran said:

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.
    I hope the rewards from BR can also be earned in the actual game. I didn't back a BR game because I'm tired of them. I don't want to feel required to play BR simply because there is a weapon I want or a skin.
    I'm sure you will be able to buy them if all else fails :)
    I'm more concerned if the items can be earned in BR, they should be able to be earned in the MMO. I don't want to pay for something I can earn in the BR, because again, I didn't KS a BR.
    Actually... you may not have INTENDED to do so, but you have in fact Kickstarted a BR.
    Congrats!? 

    WellspringMadFrenchiekitaradTorvalLokero

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,000
       All Torches and Pitchforks are needed in the BlizzCon thread .....Thank You

      This has been a public service announcement
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 6,902
    Amathe said:
    Yes. No pitchforks and torches. What we first need to do is determine DOES IT FLOAT?
    Torches and pitchforks are so medieval.  Let's use pool noodles and bics!
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  • t0nydt0nyd Member UncommonPosts: 459
    Creating a BR game first seems like a good idea to me. I would want to nail combat down first and foremost before creating a game around it. 
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,551
    The thread starts by insulting people. Then it proposes that F2P BR will attract people to the the main game?

    Am I understanding this right?

    This seems all fine and dandy but the majority of us smell bullshit. My opinion is they need money bad, and they are trying to raise capital in some futile attempt to save the game. Granted I don't have proof. I can go by the history of kickstarter games and make a fairly reasonable assumption. Fairy tales are fun to believe in I guess...
    Kyleran
     
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,713
    t0nyd said:
    Creating a BR game first seems like a good idea to me. I would want to nail combat down first and foremost before creating a game around it. 
    Yeah because 1-1 Rattle Royale combat is exactly what group-based MMORPGs should be based on.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • WellspringWellspring Member RarePosts: 1,127
    Interitus said:
    Interitus said:
    Kyleran said:

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.
    I hope the rewards from BR can also be earned in the actual game. I didn't back a BR game because I'm tired of them. I don't want to feel required to play BR simply because there is a weapon I want or a skin.
    I'm sure you will be able to buy them if all else fails :)
    I'm more concerned if the items can be earned in BR, they should be able to be earned in the MMO. I don't want to pay for something I can earn in the BR, because again, I didn't KS a BR.
    Actually... you may not have INTENDED to do so, but you have in fact Kickstarted a BR.
    Congrats!? 

    This made me chuckle out loud. Well said. :lol:
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,005
    The thread starts by insulting people. Then it proposes that F2P BR will attract people to the the main game?

    Am I understanding this right?

    This seems all fine and dandy but the majority of us smell bullshit. My opinion is they need money bad, and they are trying to raise capital in some futile attempt to save the game. Granted I don't have proof. I can go by the history of kickstarter games and make a fairly reasonable assumption. Fairy tales are fun to believe in I guess...
    If you think my OP was insulting than perhaps internet gaming forums aren't for you. 

    May I suggest Pinterest perhaps? 

     :D 

    "I should run a marathon backwards. So I could see what second place look like" Royce da 5'9"

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, back in EVE until then

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    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • GigabearGigabear Member CommonPosts: 4
    edited November 3
    On second thought, I think I should indeed dispense with the torches and pitchforks. 
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  • erevuserevus Member UncommonPosts: 75
    edited November 7
    Kyleran said:
    I'll not be at all surprised if they eventually decide to monetize the BR mode while still claiming it will be for "the good of the MMORPG."


    I couldn't agree more with that option.
    Have the BR suckers fund our Main Game (That's actually really really orgasmic) !
    Post edited by erevus on
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,834
    erevus said:
    Kyleran said:
    I'll not be at all surprised if they eventually decide to monetize the BR mode while still claiming it will be for "the good of the MMORPG."


    I couldn't agree more with that option.
    Have the BR suckers fund our Main Game (That's actually really really orgasmic) !
    Just how Fortnite BR is funding the main Fortnite... oh wait :)
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  • erevuserevus Member UncommonPosts: 75
    Iselin said:
    erevus said:
    Kyleran said:
    I'll not be at all surprised if they eventually decide to monetize the BR mode while still claiming it will be for "the good of the MMORPG."


    I couldn't agree more with that option.
    Have the BR suckers fund our Main Game (That's actually really really orgasmic) !
    Just how Fortnite BR is funding the main Fortnite... oh wait :)
    You just need to be more positive and flexible nowadays in order to get what you want.

    Fortnite was never introduced as an actual MMORPG game.
    Kyleran
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,834
    erevus said:
    Iselin said:
    erevus said:
    Kyleran said:
    I'll not be at all surprised if they eventually decide to monetize the BR mode while still claiming it will be for "the good of the MMORPG."


    I couldn't agree more with that option.
    Have the BR suckers fund our Main Game (That's actually really really orgasmic) !
    Just how Fortnite BR is funding the main Fortnite... oh wait :)
    You just need to be more positive and flexible nowadays in order to get what you want.

    Fortnite was never introduced as an actual MMORPG game.
    Whatever the original Fortnite is or isn't it was the original game until they came up with the BR mode for it. It was the huge popularity of that BR mode that prompted Epic Games to focus on the BR mode and totally neglect the original game.

    You better hope that the F2P Ashes BR mode doesn't become a hit :)
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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,153
    edited November 12
    Gotham by gaslight. Kyleran said:
    At least for now.

    I was able to find a short, hopefully accurate written summary of the video for those of us with real lives and it presents the Apocalypse announcement in a better light. (Streaming needs to DIAF)

    As there will be rewards that can be earned in the BR which transfer to the main title, it could bring a horde of new gamers who are not currently backers to it at launch.

    If they keep it entirely F2P using it strictly as a drawing tool for new customers to the main game, then really no harm, no foul unless they try to turn it into a money maker of course.

    So I will stop heating up the tar and plucking feathers from the chickens.....for now

     :D 

    https://www.theaocdungeon.com/threads/ashes-of-creation-apocalypse-announced-31-10-full-stream-recap.307/
    What makes business sense and what makes backers happy are, most often, not one in the same. From AOC's POV they see a more profitable business path. From the backer's POV they feel they were sold one thing and got swerved. Both are right. Such is the story of crowd funded gaming. If anything this crowd funded thing has been a thorough lesson in marketing and business.

    Dear humans, most businesses will tell you anything to get your money, once they have it you are less important than the person they don't yet have. They will do whatever it takes to acquire more, especially since the first buyers tend to be the most loyal.
    Post edited by TimEisen on
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