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World of Warcraft Demo Tour & Comparison to 2005 - MMORPG.com

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,430
    Nyctelios said:
    Are there any differences? Do hunters have ammo bags?
    Yep, they most certainly do. I'd also imagine no flying mounts either. Hunters having to feed their pets. My only question would be, will both factions have access to Paladins and Shamans because I don't remember when Blizzard made that gigantic mistake.
    Nyctelios

  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 341
    Well all I saw was that they kept the latest character models as far as the poly count goes. Scenery is about same except the the water at the one point. Nothing much else to go on from the video, but we shouldn't expect much from this video. Remember the demo in this video isn't live so all you can see is that scenery graphics aren't that much different from the current client and that's it.
  • StryckerStrycker Member UncommonPosts: 103


    Wait wait wait!

    You can't compare Classic to a private server and call it 2005.

    Even his character in the private server is lvl 255, WTF is this even doing here?



    The 2005 private server client is literally the 2005 client as it was in 2005. Private servers don't modify client-side files (graphics).

    To play on private servers you download the exact same client that was distributed then
    Thupli
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 923

    Kootur said:

    People are gonna play it for about 2 months and then get bored of it and wonder why they wanted this.



    The difference between current WoW(BfA, Legion etc..) and Classic is that you actually have stuff to do for way more than 2 months. Nothing was just given to you. 2 months in the game 85% of people will probably still have low level blue gear(not talking the sets).
    Even if we exclude anything else just the PvP alone is more than enough to want to play Classic. True everyone was getting 1-2 shotted left and right, but it was more fun than what PvP is now.
    I personally will be playing it for as long as there is classic and I'm pretty sure that from the millions of players that have played the game there are bound to be at least 20-50-100k players and that's more than enough for Classic to be bustling with groups and guilds.

    Also I don't really get the point of trying to downplay it. The fact that there are private servers and from what I've seen people are willing to pay hefty sums to have someone level their chars is proof enough that there are plenty of people who want classic. You wouldn't have your current WoW experience changed. You will continue to get an expansion every 2 years with 1 month of worthwhile gameplay, so what's the issue?
    RolanStormmikeb0817
  • BalticthunderBalticthunder Member UncommonPosts: 51
    I bet it all will be about rush, who will be the first at completing content. I can see how there is already groups of people planning and warming up for this rush. But when that will be done, they are gone and game will be left for few curious to see how it was back then.
  • GhavriggGhavrigg Member RarePosts: 1,308
    Looks good. I'm looking forward to getting into this sorta remastered Vanilla. Though I will only level, as there's no way in hell I'm doing 40-man raiding. Although might be easier to get into now that most people will likely know everything about 'em
  • UtinniUtinni Member RarePosts: 823
    Unlike other games that reboot a legacy server (eq, rift, lotro) this isn't the current game with expansions locked, its patch 1.12 with modern backend. It also appears the content will be progressive as naxx has been removed. If it does end up as a release over time server then I doubt its going to die in a month as many as the naysayers would love to believe.
    mikeb0817
  • BukkerzBukkerz Member UncommonPosts: 176
    One thing that will be interesting is how many servers there will be. I would think you will need a healthy committed population to allow the auction house to flourish and the game to work. This was straight forward all those years ago because it was in the moment and was en-vogue.

    Another point is to whom Classic is going to appeal to. If you are already invested in BFA and are very much part of the gearing system you will virtually have to give up one game for another which will be very difficult especially with all the new content on the horizon. I like BFA and I of course liked Vanilla but realize that you could not realistically pursue both, unless you don't work or have zero commitments.

    If Classic is for those who have become disenchanted with the franchise and yearn for yesteryear then just how many are we realistically talking about. I think those who came to WOW late will not get on with Classic at all ..... it really is a time sink and huge grind.

    Will be interesting. Then two years down the line will a Classic Burning Crusade be added and then Wrath ..... I take it after that Classic is no longer applicable ?

    Intriguing stuff ....
    esc-joconnor
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,124
    Rhoklaw said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Are there any differences? Do hunters have ammo bags?
    Yep, they most certainly do. I'd also imagine no flying mounts either. Hunters having to feed their pets. My only question would be, will both factions have access to Paladins and Shamans because I don't remember when Blizzard made that gigantic mistake.
    That mistake was made with the burning crusade, along with resilience imho.
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  • ImNotHarryImNotHarry Member CommonPosts: 24
    You could've wait one week, come on.
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,157
    I'm a bit excited to play, I didn't play all the classes back in vanilla, you just didn't have that kind of time to have alts. I'll probably make a Paladin this round and see if I can use what I know to make prot pally work. Now if I can get my hands on a Skullflame shield...

    That or I make a hunter and rush to 30s and tame brokentooth. choices.. choices..
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 923

    Aori said:

    I'm a bit excited to play, I didn't play all the classes back in vanilla, you just didn't have that kind of time to have alts. I'll probably make a Paladin this round and see if I can use what I know to make prot pally work. Now if I can get my hands on a Skullflame shield...



    That or I make a hunter and rush to 30s and tame brokentooth. choices.. choices..



    Well to be honest there was no such thing as prot pally... They could at best tank level 50 dungeons and that's about it. Paladins for raiding were all holy and for PvP were all Retribution and that was it. Prot pallies didn't have the toolkit to maintain aggro. That was added in later expansions.

    A lot of the classes don't really have more than 2 specs, some even one if we are being realistic. It depends on whether it's for PvP or PvE.
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,157

    Aori said:

    I'm a bit excited to play, I didn't play all the classes back in vanilla, you just didn't have that kind of time to have alts. I'll probably make a Paladin this round and see if I can use what I know to make prot pally work. Now if I can get my hands on a Skullflame shield...



    That or I make a hunter and rush to 30s and tame brokentooth. choices.. choices..



    Well to be honest there was no such thing as prot pally... They could at best tank level 50 dungeons and that's about it. Paladins for raiding were all holy and for PvP were all Retribution and that was it. Prot pallies didn't have the toolkit to maintain aggro. That was added in later expansions.

    A lot of the classes don't really have more than 2 specs, some even one if we are being realistic. It depends on whether it's for PvP or PvE.
    Eh Prot pallies had the toolkit, the issue was the gear. Unfortunately they couldn't get 102.4 AND maintain enough spellpower to keep agro. So for raiding it was a problem they couldn't overcome.

    Either way, not going to stop me from trying. It's for fun, I've always enjoyed trying to make things work that the community says won't. Sometimes I've been successful and others not. People made fun of my 2hand fury warrior for the longest time but eventually love for it slowly sprouted here and there. I grinded hard to get Blackfury to make it optimal for me, won't be doing that again, screw that grind, no no no.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,728
    edited October 2018

    Strycker said:





    Wait wait wait!


    You can't compare Classic to a private server and call it 2005.


    Even his character in the private server is lvl 255, WTF is this even doing here?






    The 2005 private server client is literally the 2005 client as it was in 2005. Private servers don't modify client-side files (graphics).



    To play on private servers you download the exact same client that was distributed then



    Water ripple effects were changed in WOTLK from TBC, so was fire. Those effects appear to be the later. OK, I did take a look back and these do appear to be original.
  • BukkerzBukkerz Member UncommonPosts: 176
    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.




  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited October 2018
    Bukkerz said:
    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.




    Ignoring the argument that people only play vanilla WoW for free on free servers

    Pretty high probably as far as considering how much people like vanilla compared to now. If it was nostalgia, people playing the current most popular free server (with about 7k on average online at once) would have quit and abandoned it and moved to servers that are on newer expansions. 

    Where the people say they only play for free are probably right, well...will fans of vanilla move to blizzard classic servers and spend 15 a month when they can just play for free instead? That is the part that remains to be seen.

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,082
    Bukkerz said:
    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.




    Tough question. I doubt Blizzard know so I would expect Blizzard to use some sort of server cluster / mega-server type tech that they can flex. Which means we won't have any idea either - unless things are so good they release a press release etc.

    Past experience of other games that have done this suggests that a) some new or previous players will return b) some players on the existing "current" WoW servers will shift. Resulting in an initial bump followed by a decline - with some returning to the old servers only to find them in a state of chaos (if 50% of current players shift say - not unknown - you get chaos.)

    How it plays out could well depend on how what sort of path Blizzard decide to tread. What does "classic" mean?

    In another thread I suggested they might announce that the next expansion would be for vanilla and not for current WoW. Vanilla becoming essentially the "new WoW".  

    How they play it will influence longevity. Maybe vanilla will launch as vanilla. And the 12 content patches that followed release are rolled out as they were back then - but every month rather than every 2 months. And then do BC and its patches in year 2. Followed by a brand new expansion. Followed by WotLK and its content patches. That might excite quite a few folk. And that would be a 3 year timeline. 

    Whilst it probably won't be as big as it was it could, I think, be bigger than current WoW. I think Blizzard would settle for that. 

     
    Bukkerz
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Jokes on you guys: I made every bit of this video using Maya Autodesk.  Got 'em!

    image
  • DeyirnDeyirn Member UncommonPosts: 429

    wildarms2 said:

    the 2 videos he used are both hacked version not battle.net why is this click bait here



    What makes you think that if it's actual live footage, it will make your monitor go nuts with magic colors? It's basically the same thing, but with better shadows and the new water. That's what people wanted, that's what they got.

  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,336
    Bukkerz said:
    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.




    Ignoring the argument that people only play vanilla WoW for free on free servers

    Pretty high probably as far as considering how much people like vanilla compared to now. If it was nostalgia, people playing the current most popular free server (with about 7k on average online at once) would have quit and abandoned it and moved to servers that are on newer expansions. 

    Where the people say they only play for free are probably right, well...will fans of vanilla move to blizzard classic servers and spend 15 a month when they can just play for free instead? That is the part that remains to be seen.
    Why would anyone pay for a game if any game on GoG is drm free?

    Well because some people actually want to give their money in exchange for a good product / service? Fuck them, right?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    Nyctelios said:
    Bukkerz said:
    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.




    Ignoring the argument that people only play vanilla WoW for free on free servers

    Pretty high probably as far as considering how much people like vanilla compared to now. If it was nostalgia, people playing the current most popular free server (with about 7k on average online at once) would have quit and abandoned it and moved to servers that are on newer expansions. 

    Where the people say they only play for free are probably right, well...will fans of vanilla move to blizzard classic servers and spend 15 a month when they can just play for free instead? That is the part that remains to be seen.
    Why would anyone pay for a game if any game on GoG is drm free?

    Well because some people actually want to give their money in exchange for a good product / service? Fuck them, right?
    exactly

    Sadly, people will play free to play junk MMOs (that almost always cost more on cash shop and make the player spend a lot more) than a pay to play MMO.

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  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 316
    edited October 2018

    Kootur said:

    People are gonna play it for about 2 months and then get bored of it and wonder why they wanted this.



    You are soo right, i mean its not like every classic private server is full from the moment its created until the moment it dies...oh wait

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  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 381

    Bukkerz said:

    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.







    At first yes, and after while only guilds will be running the content, then after awhile it will start to die out fully given the stagnant nature of never getting new content. You can only gear out so many alts, but hey at least who ever wants warlord for the week wont have a ton of competition after the first year
  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 381




    Kootur said:


    People are gonna play it for about 2 months and then get bored of it and wonder why they wanted this.






    You are soo right, i mean its not like every classic private server is full from the moment its created until the moment it dies...oh wait



    Do they last more than a year?
  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 381

    gervaise1 said:


    Bukkerz said:

    A question ..

    ... Is it the consensus that Classic will be supported by enough keen players to maintain it properly, including the 40 man raids and an ever buoyant Auction House  .... or will it be a brief nostalgic journey ?

    ...not a troll post, a genuine question.






    Tough question. I doubt Blizzard know so I would expect Blizzard to use some sort of server cluster / mega-server type tech that they can flex. Which means we won't have any idea either - unless things are so good they release a press release etc.

    Past experience of other games that have done this suggests that a) some new or previous players will return b) some players on the existing "current" WoW servers will shift. Resulting in an initial bump followed by a decline - with some returning to the old servers only to find them in a state of chaos (if 50% of current players shift say - not unknown - you get chaos.)

    How it plays out could well depend on how what sort of path Blizzard decide to tread. What does "classic" mean?

    In another thread I suggested they might announce that the next expansion would be for vanilla and not for current WoW. Vanilla becoming essentially the "new WoW".  

    How they play it will influence longevity. Maybe vanilla will launch as vanilla. And the 12 content patches that followed release are rolled out as they were back then - but every month rather than every 2 months. And then do BC and its patches in year 2. Followed by a brand new expansion. Followed by WotLK and its content patches. That might excite quite a few folk. And that would be a 3 year timeline. 

    Whilst it probably won't be as big as it was it could, I think, be bigger than current WoW. I think Blizzard would settle for that. 

     



    As fun as restarting the time line could be, it wont happen. Classic is a side project for them, Main wow will continue to grow and Classic will remain what it is, a museum to show were wow came from. Because if they did start updating it with "New" expansions over time it would just need to be made again, cuz "Classic is dah best" and then they would have to kill another iteration of wow. Live will continue to grow, classic will stagnate and make for a good content lul time killer for most.
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