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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
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"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Not many folks want to be Bill the guy in the Targaryen army that gets an arrow to the knee in Episode 15
It will be interesting to see how many "Bill's" stick around when they discover that their purpose is just to give some background to the nobles playing the real game.
I mean.. let's face it.. even Game of Thrones (TV show) lost track of their Blacksmith Gendry for a few seasons... and he was actually a King's son...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
harbingerism.....
Someone call Oxford Dictionary, new entry for 2019 edition.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
That is why you make Bobs npcs.
That is also why many pvp mmos die..Those that don't and work are those that doesn't put players in Bob roles.
[this comment is a general note, and not related to my opinion on CoE in any way. If and when there is an actual game, the hands on details will tell if it will work. So many great ideas and concepts in theory, but will it work and can they make just half of it?]
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
Many players are simple ( but immortal) POD pilots, munching rocks, killing hapless NPC pirates, or building things daily, I was such for 10 years.
Some wish to lead, so they build huge empires to rule the stars, fighting titanic battles of fame and glory.
Room for all sorts of play styles, pirating, trade hauling, exploring etc, which a well built game should strive for.
Not all are fit to be rulers, nor even want to be.
The issue with COE is they are pre-selling Nobility, a first for the most part in the genre.
Usually whales have to wait post lauch to wield their influence, but weirdly Caspian claims no advantage will be sold post launch.... a big mistake IMO.
If one builds a P2W game they are better off embracing it fully, like Entropa does, and not try to deny it in order to fool the plebs.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Not long ago (1-2 weeks) CCP had a report about player retention and behavior, especially why players leave. It turned out that exactly such a Bob and Noble system had become dominant and the main reason that Bob players left. This turned out to be such a serious problem that CCP said they considered instantly disabling that system until a lasting solution was found.
I have little interest or knowledge about Eve so I can't remember the details, but you can find the news article here or on MoP I bet.
So I would say Eve survives despite of such a system and not because of.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
Not really a nobility issue as most war dec groups are gankers looking for easy prey, EVE can do well without them.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The only real thing to be concerned about, is how much power they really give nobles. There was a thread months back, about how nobles could set punishments. To which nearly every noble within that thread, said for any punishment they would just give perma death. So if that would come to pass, kill the game off way faster than anything else.
But yeah, there is a tread at this rate of SBS throwing everything at the whales or just plain changing things for them. Another time I wish they would just get a publisher, maybe then they wouldn't do so many stupid things.
I imagine (perhaps incorrectly) that being King will be like being guild leader. Dukes and Barons, like guild officers.
I think the best part is actually when Caspien is explaining how he started his first game company in 2008 to make CoE... but that and I quote "I started attending GDC, the Austin Game Conference and others, but sandbox games hadn't been invented yet and crowdfunding didn't exist. I couldn't even get a callback."
And not a single one of the fawning worshipers would even question that statement. Please... go and look it up from around 2AM eastern time this morning.
Not a single person in the Discord said anything. They all just nodded about how Sandbox games hadn't even been invented yet in 2008. And piled on with comments like:
"This is fascinating as hell"
"We BELIEVE in you guys."
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
But I don't think that can happen, not at least on the level I wanted it to be. This budget ain't enough for that and can only be divided among the Kings, therefore, my nameless lonewolf rogue assassin shall keep on playing games on his console!
Not even sure what to say there. I was really hoping you were just trolling.
I'm sure some point on discord they have said they got publishers interested, but wanted to change things or something. Can't really remember.
Build it..and perhaps they may come.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So take the sparks, right now they are 25 a pop. They are only expected to cost 30 a pop at launch. Someone worked out you could die once a day and still get 3 months out of it. This is all based on a commoner of no fame. Which I could argue would be most of the playerbase.
Where right now any sub MMO is 15 a month. Any free ones, not sure about others, but I tend to spend at least 30-50 a month.
I have made posts about upping the cost of a spark. I would rather it be at least 50 a pop. If not more really. Even pvpers looking for action, shouldn't really be dying that much. Massive world, population spread out. Be somewhat more of a challenge to really die everyday. Yet naturally, people are so beyond cheap these days. Could get 5 bucks a month out of a spark, if not even more. Depending how safe the person lives.
For all anyone knows. Any investor comes along, likes the idea. But see they want no pay to win, no cash shop of any kind. The sparks, which could be thought as subs, are basically rock bottom prices. Almost like they aren't thinking from a business view and wanting to "help the people". While having their people, happy to throw hundreds or thousands at them now. But are cheap bastards when it comes to really paying a normal amount for a spark.
Sorry I'm rambling on here. TLDR: At some point something has to give. Either SBS has to change their game designs, cause really it's crazy at this rate. If all of it was made, would be a game changer. Or they let an investor in and change somethings anyway. It's doubtful they could get the funds from the community needed to stay indie.
I hate cash shops with a passion, but honestly the idea of selling all these advantages pre-launch and then shutting the store is even worse. The game is designed to be a playground for the rich and famous (nobles) so the idea of throwing a switch and shutting the store at launch is just silly.
Then dont even get get me started on the whole idea of tying your monetization to a customer pain point (death). Just think about when Seamus McCrotchface decides he wants to grief you today just for shits and giggles. Every time he kills you he is costing you money. Sure in theory it costs him money to, but he is getting and doing what he wants with that money while preventing you from doing the same. Griefers get off today just ganking people to make them cry. Now you add the ability to cost actual money to the victim and it’s a griefers dream. The icing on the cake was the silly Links of Elyria Plague event where potential griefers could self-generate tons of free, throw-away accounts....
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
But I did read them all out of order lol