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Does Fallout 76 Herald in a New Era of MMOs? - Garrett Fuller - MMORPG.com

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edited October 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageDoes Fallout 76 Herald in a New Era of MMOs? - Garrett Fuller - MMORPG.com

MMOs have been around now for over twenty years. In that time the genre has influenced countless game play models and designs. You can say that MMOs really did grow up with the Internet itself. In the 2000s we saw a batch of MMOs hit success as World of Warcraft grew into a world power. Now in the 2010s games have morphed and the ideas of MMOs have changed, but more are coming and they begin with Fallout 76.

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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,121
    The most recent game-play I have seen makes it just look like a Fallout 4 BR. Really hoping this isn't the case.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,743
    God! I seriously hope not.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,472
    No it does not , Maybe you should ask Bethesda what they are making , they are calling it a Multiplayer Survival game with modded private servers ..They will tell you what they are making if you want the Truth ........... or do you?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,917
    Sigh, it does continue the trend of not creating "MMOs" and going back to smaller Online Multiplayer Games (OMG!)

    24 players per map does not a MMO make and we really need to leave off with the concept that these games incorporate some sort of features unique to MMORPGs like WOW, EQ, or DAOC.

    My guess is at least 80% of the features in WOW can be found in either other OMG!s or even single player games.

    What sets WOW apart the most is it's first two letters, Massively Multiplayer with no other qualifier or feature necessary.

    FO76, Destiny 2, GW1, Fortnite (ANET correctly calls it a CORP) are not MMOs, never were, never will be.

    New World will likely be one of the first MMO survival games but I'm sure I'll be having debates with some over why it's not a MMORPG.

    I'll be playing FO76 as I've never really played a smaller scale OMG, nor shooter so it should be interesting.



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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 942
    If this is the future, then it's time for me to find another hobby. Zero interest in FO76 and I love FO, but not like this. FO4 was a disappointment for me since it was more of a shooter with RPG elements.
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  • MmoFan2012MmoFan2012 Member UncommonPosts: 23
    my first survival game was Conan Exiles on PS4 this summer. everyone warned me that survival games are toxic players and broken. this was the case for Conan Exiles so i tried ARK on sale too and found even more toxic players (i mean really bad people) and lots of poop! Conan Exiles is a totally broken game, lag, bugs and fast decay rate on official servers. most official servers are dead.

    with expectations low i fear F76 will be more of the same toxic players and massive bugs. sorry to say ill wait until it is out a year and on sale....
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,743
    edited October 2018
    DMKano said:
    No

    Fallout 76 does nothing revolutionary - I am puzzled why the author would even begin to think this as a game to herald a new era of MMOs - other than yet another article about Fallout 76.

    Weird.

    When a game comes out to herald in a new era of MMOs - it will be something different than what's on the market in terms of gameplay. 

    Fallout 76 is a multiplayer Fallout 4 mod with best parts of Fallout 4 removed out of the game. F76 has a questionable future already.

    Also ESO was not s massive success on PC initially - it actually had a lackluster launch - what saved the game was the console launch.

    True what you said about ESO it was bad when it launched. In fact then as Wildstar came out in about the same time frame people were of the opinion that Wildstar was a better game but ESO improved a lot and the console release was a life saver.

    I betaed ESO and avoided buying it but after it showed much improvement I bought it and found it much improved.
    Kyleran

  • dystra99dystra99 Member UncommonPosts: 6
    a) you mean "herald" or "usher in". There is no "herald in" .
    b) no.
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  • RukushinRukushin Member UncommonPosts: 311
    Yeah I have to agree with everyone else here. Not really interested in FO76. Sounded cool at first and then I learned more and more about it and really just completely shook my head. Its like they were on a right track and then just got scared to go all the way.

    FO76 won't be a flop, but I don't think it will be an insane game changer.

    To usher in or herald a new renaissance of MMORPGs it will take Oculus Rift with controllers coming down to $150 total, PCs with 1080Tis being about $500 total for entire rig, and a VRMMO. Then the trifecta will be complete because we will be back to a 1999 scenario where the entire ecosystem is something brand new, never seen before, never experienced before.

    I don't believe that a sit down in front of a keyboard and mouse type of MMO, no matter how different, can usher in or herald a monumental shift in the way we saw for the launch of WoW in 2004 or Everquest in 1999.
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  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,177
    edited October 2018
    How would a non-MMO herald a new era of MMOs?
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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,383

    Kyleran said:

    Sigh, it does continue the trend of not creating "MMOs" and going back to smaller Online Multiplayer Games (OMG!)



    24 players per map does not a MMO make and we really need to leave off with the concept that these games incorporate some sort of features unique to MMORPGs like WOW, EQ, or DAOC.



    My guess is at least 80% of the features in WOW can be found in either other OMG!s or even single player games.



    What sets WOW apart the most is it's first two letters, Massively Multiplayer with no other qualifier or feature necessary.



    FO76, Destiny 2, GW1, Fortnite (ANET correctly calls it a CORP) are not MMOs, never were, never will be.



    New World will likely be one of the first MMO survival games but I'm sure I'll be having debates with some over why it's not a MMORPG.



    I'll be playing FO76 as I've never really played a smaller scale OMG, nor shooter so it should be interesting.










    I stand by WOW being a MODungeonCrawler MODC. The main world is nothing more than a lobby now. You log into the lobby, pick your level and instance in. It's more Diablo 3 than original Warcraft now.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    my first survival game was Conan Exiles on PS4 this summer. everyone warned me that survival games are toxic players and broken. this was the case for Conan Exiles so i tried ARK on sale too and found even more toxic players (i mean really bad people) and lots of poop! Conan Exiles is a totally broken game, lag, bugs and fast decay rate on official servers. most official servers are dead.

    with expectations low i fear F76 will be more of the same toxic players and massive bugs. sorry to say ill wait until it is out a year and on sale....
    its a bethesta game, bugs are features by now, and like eso I don't think modders can fix they game
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    Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiick Baaaaaaaaaaiiiiit!

    INB4 internal defense team comes in and tells everybody to "lighten up"
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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,383
    If this concept can be scaled up to thousands of concurrent players, then yes. Until then I see it as a test game. 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,917
    TimEisen said:

    Kyleran said:

    Sigh, it does continue the trend of not creating "MMOs" and going back to smaller Online Multiplayer Games (OMG!)



    24 players per map does not a MMO make and we really need to leave off with the concept that these games incorporate some sort of features unique to MMORPGs like WOW, EQ, or DAOC.



    My guess is at least 80% of the features in WOW can be found in either other OMG!s or even single player games.



    What sets WOW apart the most is it's first two letters, Massively Multiplayer with no other qualifier or feature necessary.



    FO76, Destiny 2, GW1, Fortnite (ANET correctly calls it a CORP) are not MMOs, never were, never will be.



    New World will likely be one of the first MMO survival games but I'm sure I'll be having debates with some over why it's not a MMORPG.



    I'll be playing FO76 as I've never really played a smaller scale OMG, nor shooter so it should be interesting.










    I stand by WOW being a MODungeonCrawler MODC. The main world is nothing more than a lobby now. You log into the lobby, pick your level and instance in. It's more Diablo 3 than original Warcraft now.
    Hence why so many are clamoring for Classic servers.  

    WOW declined long ago from being much of a MMORPG, saw that when I briefly returned for Cataclysm and most were leveling in dungeon instances despite an entirely revamped world.

    Better to recall what WOW was from 2004 - 2006 before BC started down the road to decline.

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  • immoralthangimmoralthang Member RarePosts: 295
    If the future of MMOs is a large, empty world with no NPCs and a shallow story, this is where I leave.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,917
    edited October 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Thank you MMORPG.com for continuing your saga to prove what ISN'T an MMO by calling it an MMO.

    Guess what Bethesda calls it...

    "online multiplayer action role-playing video game"
    An accurate, albeit somewhat wordy definition.

    OMARPG.

    But far better than MMO which it just flat out isnt.
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  • AnthurAnthur Member UncommonPosts: 961
    Erm, FO76 doesn't "begin" anything. It's a game like Conan Exiles or ARK. Just a different setting. There is nothing revoultionary or even evolutionary about it. And F076 is not an MMO ! Bethesda just tries to get it's piece from the multiplayer cake.

    Sorry to say that, but this article definitely smells a little like click bait to advertise FO76. :(
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  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 676
    I can't hardly call a 32 people per server game an MMO. may be this is just the new standard?
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 6,881
    edited October 2018
    So the new era of MMOs is buggy, boring, and barely functional?

    Maybe Bless was onto something.
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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,408
    All this article does it point out how painfully obvious it is that the writer doesn't know wtf a MMO is.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,431
    edited October 2018
    I think I've finally figured it out: the writers here are suffering from a highly contagious mild stuttering condition. They're really trying to say MO but they just can't spit it out without saying M-MO.
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    I haven't watched a Roast this good since they trashed Beiber on Comedy Central , Keep it going guys!



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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,023

    TimEisen said:



    Kyleran said:


    Sigh, it does continue the trend of not creating "MMOs" and going back to smaller Online Multiplayer Games (OMG!)





    24 players per map does not a MMO make and we really need to leave off with the concept that these games incorporate some sort of features unique to MMORPGs like WOW, EQ, or DAOC.





    My guess is at least 80% of the features in WOW can be found in either other OMG!s or even single player games.





    What sets WOW apart the most is it's first two letters, Massively Multiplayer with no other qualifier or feature necessary.





    FO76, Destiny 2, GW1, Fortnite (ANET correctly calls it a CORP) are not MMOs, never were, never will be.





    New World will likely be one of the first MMO survival games but I'm sure I'll be having debates with some over why it's not a MMORPG.





    I'll be playing FO76 as I've never really played a smaller scale OMG, nor shooter so it should be interesting.

















    I stand by WOW being a MODungeonCrawler MODC. The main world is nothing more than a lobby now. You log into the lobby, pick your level and instance in. It's more Diablo 3 than original Warcraft now.



    This hasn't been the case since world quests were introduced with Legion. Between people leveling and doing world quests, the main world is always heavily populated and active.
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