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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,959
    edited April 9
    AngryElf said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    Parents ignorant of their children is the problem.  The fact that something addictive exists is not the problem.  It's ignorant to assume that the industry needs to change because parents can't care for their children.
    "get them away from kids" has been used for just about everything from video games to cigarettes to rock music.  It's dumb. It doesn't work.  And adding odds has never stopped a gambler from betting.  Maybe we just need the industry to step in and show us all how we should behave.  That will fix everything.
    Again, I don't like loot boxes, but I like oversight and being treated like a child even less.  Bad games with loot boxes will always be there, I just choose to not play them, because I have free will. 
    Great. Amazing.

    But you are not (at least I think so) a 7 yrs old kid playing a game which has no warning whatsoever on its cover about gambling related mechanics.

    How parents should know where they are not aware of ongoing gaming industry things?

    And, what has shown so far, the very kids were unaware they were actually spending money due wording those companies use.

    They don't say "buy x" they use "get x". And thats make a big difference.

    The same argument you are using were used about addicting drugs. 

    Can we at least get a 'label' of sorts on those games? Is it too much to ask? A warning for concerning parents?

    Do you really expect a parent to make a deep research into which is basically a virtual toy? Where toys themselves have warning about choking hazard and such on its cover?
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  • AngryElfAngryElf Member UncommonPosts: 189
    Nyctelios said:
    AngryElf said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    Parents ignorant of their children is the problem.  The fact that something addictive exists is not the problem.  It's ignorant to assume that the industry needs to change because parents can't care for their children.
    "get them away from kids" has been used for just about everything from video games to cigarettes to rock music.  It's dumb. It doesn't work.  And adding odds has never stopped a gambler from betting.  Maybe we just need the industry to step in and show us all how we should behave.  That will fix everything.
    Again, I don't like loot boxes, but I like oversight and being treated like a child even less.  Bad games with loot boxes will always be there, I just choose to not play them, because I have free will. 
    Great. Amazing.

    But you are not (at least I think so) a 7 yrs old kid playing a game which has no warning whatsoever on its cover about gambling related mechanics.

    How parents should know where they are not aware of ongoing gaming industry things?

    And, what has shown so far, the very kids were unaware they were actually spending money due wording those companies use.

    They don't say "buy x" they use "get x". And thats make a big difference.

    The same argument you are using were used about addicting drugs. 

    Can we at least get a 'label' of sorts on those games? Is it too much to ask? A warning for concerning parents?

    Do you really expect a parent to make a deep research into which is basically a virtual toy? Where toys themselves have warning about choking hazard and such on its cover?
    Label would check the "fair warning" box, sure.  Main question is why a 7 year old has a credit card...?
    Parents can still research and take interest in what their children do. 
    Gdemami
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,306
    AngryElf said:
    Nyctelios said:
    AngryElf said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    Parents ignorant of their children is the problem.  The fact that something addictive exists is not the problem.  It's ignorant to assume that the industry needs to change because parents can't care for their children.
    "get them away from kids" has been used for just about everything from video games to cigarettes to rock music.  It's dumb. It doesn't work.  And adding odds has never stopped a gambler from betting.  Maybe we just need the industry to step in and show us all how we should behave.  That will fix everything.
    Again, I don't like loot boxes, but I like oversight and being treated like a child even less.  Bad games with loot boxes will always be there, I just choose to not play them, because I have free will. 
    Great. Amazing.

    But you are not (at least I think so) a 7 yrs old kid playing a game which has no warning whatsoever on its cover about gambling related mechanics.

    How parents should know where they are not aware of ongoing gaming industry things?

    And, what has shown so far, the very kids were unaware they were actually spending money due wording those companies use.

    They don't say "buy x" they use "get x". And thats make a big difference.

    The same argument you are using were used about addicting drugs. 

    Can we at least get a 'label' of sorts on those games? Is it too much to ask? A warning for concerning parents?

    Do you really expect a parent to make a deep research into which is basically a virtual toy? Where toys themselves have warning about choking hazard and such on its cover?
    Label would check the "fair warning" box, sure.  Main question is why a 7 year old has a credit card...?
    Parents can still research and take interest in what their children do. 
    Never saw a 13 year old with a gift card?
    Or maybe Grandma got Johnny an EA card for his birthday thinking he'd get a game and Johnny buys lootboxes with the credits?
    Or maybe Jane made $20 shoveling snow as a 14 year old and walked to gamestop and bought a giftcard.

    And what in the world is your problem with listing the odds?  You know that's what has to happen with slot machines and scratch offs right?  That's what we do with GAMBLING devices.



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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,829
    AngryElf said:
    Nyctelios said:
    AngryElf said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    Parents ignorant of their children is the problem.  The fact that something addictive exists is not the problem.  It's ignorant to assume that the industry needs to change because parents can't care for their children.
    "get them away from kids" has been used for just about everything from video games to cigarettes to rock music.  It's dumb. It doesn't work.  And adding odds has never stopped a gambler from betting.  Maybe we just need the industry to step in and show us all how we should behave.  That will fix everything.
    Again, I don't like loot boxes, but I like oversight and being treated like a child even less.  Bad games with loot boxes will always be there, I just choose to not play them, because I have free will. 
    Great. Amazing.

    But you are not (at least I think so) a 7 yrs old kid playing a game which has no warning whatsoever on its cover about gambling related mechanics.

    How parents should know where they are not aware of ongoing gaming industry things?

    And, what has shown so far, the very kids were unaware they were actually spending money due wording those companies use.

    They don't say "buy x" they use "get x". And thats make a big difference.

    The same argument you are using were used about addicting drugs. 

    Can we at least get a 'label' of sorts on those games? Is it too much to ask? A warning for concerning parents?

    Do you really expect a parent to make a deep research into which is basically a virtual toy? Where toys themselves have warning about choking hazard and such on its cover?
    Label would check the "fair warning" box, sure.  Main question is why a 7 year old has a credit card...?
    Parents can still research and take interest in what their children do. 
    Never saw a 13 year old with a gift card?
    Or maybe Grandma got Johnny an EA card for his birthday thinking he'd get a game and Johnny buys lootboxes with the credits?
    Or maybe Jane made $20 shoveling snow as a 14 year old and walked to gamestop and bought a giftcard.

    And what in the world is your problem with listing the odds?  You know that's what has to happen with slot machines and scratch offs right?  That's what we do with GAMBLING devices.
    Imho the 7 year old's gambling is not really that much of a problem, since with children that young parents usually still have enough control that the child can't buy much anything without the parent noticing.

    The problem is that once the child is older and has control of her own money, there's no realistic way for parent to control how it's used. Pretty much all you can do is hope that there's nothing harmful being sold to your child that's within her budget.
    Slapshot1188Gdemami
     
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,361
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,429
    Horusra said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
    Na you just need to tax gambling styled monetization out of existence. Easy come, easy go. I always say
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,058
    edited April 9
    AngryElf said:
    Nyctelios said:
    AngryElf said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    Parents ignorant of their children is the problem.  The fact that something addictive exists is not the problem.  It's ignorant to assume that the industry needs to change because parents can't care for their children.
    "get them away from kids" has been used for just about everything from video games to cigarettes to rock music.  It's dumb. It doesn't work.  And adding odds has never stopped a gambler from betting.  Maybe we just need the industry to step in and show us all how we should behave.  That will fix everything.
    Again, I don't like loot boxes, but I like oversight and being treated like a child even less.  Bad games with loot boxes will always be there, I just choose to not play them, because I have free will. 
    Great. Amazing.

    But you are not (at least I think so) a 7 yrs old kid playing a game which has no warning whatsoever on its cover about gambling related mechanics.

    How parents should know where they are not aware of ongoing gaming industry things?

    And, what has shown so far, the very kids were unaware they were actually spending money due wording those companies use.

    They don't say "buy x" they use "get x". And thats make a big difference.

    The same argument you are using were used about addicting drugs. 

    Can we at least get a 'label' of sorts on those games? Is it too much to ask? A warning for concerning parents?

    Do you really expect a parent to make a deep research into which is basically a virtual toy? Where toys themselves have warning about choking hazard and such on its cover?
    Label would check the "fair warning" box, sure.  Main question is why a 7 year old has a credit card...?
    Parents can still research and take interest in what their children do. 
    Never saw a 13 year old with a gift card?
    Or maybe Grandma got Johnny an EA card for his birthday thinking he'd get a game and Johnny buys lootboxes with the credits?
    Or maybe Jane made $20 shoveling snow as a 14 year old and walked to gamestop and bought a giftcard.

    And what in the world is your problem with listing the odds?  You know that's what has to happen with slot machines and scratch offs right?  That's what we do with GAMBLING devices.
    I have seen kids on you tube playing games which they were clearly too young to play, you can't rely on parents. That said, rather than framing this about the young it would be better to just realise we need to remove gambling from gaming. Adults get gambling addictions too.
    Gdemami
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,361
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
    Na you just need to tax gambling styled monetization out of existence. Easy come, easy go. I always say
    We all need to rise up and ban gaming...it is evil and pollutes the mind.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,429
    Horusra said:
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
    Na you just need to tax gambling styled monetization out of existence. Easy come, easy go. I always say
    We all need to rise up and ban gaming...it is evil and pollutes the mind.
    Such extremes, my European ancestors dabbled a lot with that type of thinking.

    No better way into a greedy one’s heart than in  their wallet.
    Gdemami

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,361
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
    Na you just need to tax gambling styled monetization out of existence. Easy come, easy go. I always say
    We all need to rise up and ban gaming...it is evil and pollutes the mind.
    Such extremes, my European ancestors dabbled a lot with that type of thinking.

    No better way into a greedy one’s heart than in  their wallet.
    Fine fine....we tax those under 18 that play games.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,429
    Horusra said:
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Horusra said:
    AngryElf said:
    Because people abuse something doesn't mean it's inherently evil.  I think loot boxes suck just because of the PTW aspect. Gambling has nothing to do with it.  Can't hand-hold every adult because a few don't have self-control.  Grow up 
    Try again.

    MMORPG just ran an article on this.  40% of kids that play videogames get involved in these lootboxes.  

    Get them away from kids and list the odds.  Then let adults do what they want. But to use silliness like "grow up" really reflects an ignorance of reality.

    And then you realize Video Game Addiction is a thing and the government should ban gaming itself....
    Thats a slippery slope if I ever saw one.

    They are not even talking about banning lootboxes...

    Just making sure it doesn't end harming children.

    You want to gamble, sure, go gamble - but there is a time and a place for that.
    But you need to protect the kids from Video Game Addiction...so no one under 18 should be playing in the US.
    Na you just need to tax gambling styled monetization out of existence. Easy come, easy go. I always say
    We all need to rise up and ban gaming...it is evil and pollutes the mind.
    Such extremes, my European ancestors dabbled a lot with that type of thinking.

    No better way into a greedy one’s heart than in  their wallet.
    Fine fine....we tax those under 18 that play games.
    I think that making a kid work a couple hours cutting the grass/washing cars etc. ect. to earn the money to buy a loot box and then watching that hard earned money disappear in an instant on something that the kid wanted but didn't get, would go a long way into teaching those children how to be smarter consumers.

    Like I said before, Easy come, easy go ;) 
    HorusraAngryElfCryomatrix

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 8,296
    Have never bought a loot box for real cash and never will...Not even a temptation.
    KyleranScot
  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,951
    I don't really care how we get there, I just want paid-for-lootboxes out of my games.


    They were clearly gambling since day 1....just not the sort of gambling that requires regulation. But definately, always, gambling.


    If the government needs to prove that loot boxes are indeed the type of gambling that requires regulation before they do something about it, fine. If they grow some balls and just sort this shit out anyway, great. If they need to invent some new criteria, or just acquire new research showing that, yes, lootboxes are dangerous and exploitative, before they do something, then do it.



    Just get them out of my games.
    Gdemami
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,174
    I kind of have a mixed reaction to loot boxes. On one hand it is gambling, i know, i have a huge addictive personality and i know all it takes for me is to buy one and im down the rabbit hole. Hence, i dont buy lootboxes. I can fall for that stuff all day. It is also why i dont gamble really because i will have a problem. 


    But then again, i get the whole stop policing everything as at some point people need to be responsible for their actions. 

    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,306


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,702


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,829
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.
    Some nations already have working national electronic ID system, for example Estonia has really good one.

    Where I'm from (Finland), it's arranged so that some actors like banks can provide electronic ID verification: I have to log in same way I'd log into my online bank, and the bank verifies my ID to the webpage I'm using.

    Some kind of electronic ID is coming to the rest of the world too. It's only a matter of time.
    GdemamiScot
     
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,058
    Vrika said:
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.
    Some nations already have working national electronic ID system, for example Estonia has really good one.

    Where I'm from (Finland), it's arranged so that some actors like banks can provide electronic ID verification: I have to log in same way I'd log into my online bank, and the bank verifies my ID to the webpage I'm using.

    Some kind of electronic ID is coming to the rest of the world too. It's only a matter of time.
    Look at how quickly the idea of Covid passports went from "Not sure if that's a good idea or not" to "if other countries do it we have to follow suit" in the UK. The tipping point will be once other countries expect us to have an electronic ID when we visit, then everyone will fall into line. This is far easier to sell when it is "the fault of other countries."
    Kyleran
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    Vice is never really the problem only a symptom. The real problem is lack of spiritual fortitude and discipline. 

    Parents teach their children nothing of the world because they know nothing of the world. They only know what the eye tells them and thats usually misdirection and dark paths. 

    You dont have to believe in Christianity to see that hell is coming now that its power is waning.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,361
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


    but daddy government says that they are responsible for my kids now and that as a parent I really have no say.
    Gdemami
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,702
    Horusra said:
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


    but daddy government says that they are responsible for my kids now and that as a parent I really have no say.
    First time your children break the law you learn how quickly everything about them is all your responsibility.

    It was actually a significant relief when the last one reached 18.




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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 5,667
    .. can someone show me the roadmap on how we went from lootboxes to Covid19 vaccine passports?

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,306
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


    How do we keep alcohol away from kids?  Or gambling?  No system will be perfect, but anything would be better than what we have today which is literally allowing them to be marketed at kids.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,702
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


    How do we keep alcohol away from kids?  Or gambling?  No system will be perfect, but anything would be better than what we have today which is literally allowing them to be marketed at kids.

    Generally speaking both gambling and alchohol  require an in store purchase with ID required to purchase or enter. 

    Online presents an entirely different set of challenges than brick and mortar sales.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,306
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:


    The compromise is to have them but put clearly next to it the odds of what you can get. 
    Agree, but also keep it away from minors.

    How exactly? National ID system? Photographs of driver's licenses? Notarized even?

    I'm all for the idea in theory, but still feel it's up to parents to manage.


    How do we keep alcohol away from kids?  Or gambling?  No system will be perfect, but anything would be better than what we have today which is literally allowing them to be marketed at kids.

    Generally speaking both gambling and alchohol  require an in store purchase with ID required to purchase or enter. 

    Online presents an entirely different set of challenges than brick and mortar sales.
    Maybe.  But then again I regularly order wine baskets for the holidays(admittedly not the same as a 6-pack).  I’m not up to date on what online gambling is legal in the states.  I think it’s a mishmash between the States though.  Pretty sure some places you can bet on sports and others you can’t.

    Well, if Lootboxes = gambling them I guess it should follow the same rules as other gambling.   And if the laws need to be updated (which they apparently do) maybe Congress can actually do something. Although I’m sure like everything else it will become a fight between left and right. 

    Maybe like I suggested, the first step is to make it illegal to market to children.   That seems like a no-brainer that left-right and anyone in between can agree on.
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