Funny how they call competitive video gaming "E-Sports" and not Sports
Funny how you did not have a counter to what i actually said...
But i´l humor you in the hopes that you will learn something...
it is called e-sport for the very reason that when it became a thing it was not really organized or regulated enough to be a "real" sport, it was more akin to how a bunch of rum runners got their cars together on old dirt tracks than a high andvanced motorsport with specialist equipment.
So it got the nickname e-sport... And it sort of stuck. It is apt and it does a good enough job to describe the thing. Much like the X-games.
But with some time i think it will outgrow the name and simply be called a sport among many others.
The source code is not the rules... the rules of the game are the rules...The source code is more akin to the grass and bolts.... But we can go around this how many times we want and there are still some simple facts... That by most metricts e-sport is a sport. It is not fully regulated not espablished. And if we apply the same metrics on any other sport, few if any would tick all the boxes all the time.
Big difference
Soccer the mechanics are there for anyone to see. A video game could be fixed and you would have no way of knowing.
Overwatch is a competitive video game not a sport. Pick up the Sticks is more a sport than Overwatch as the rules and mechanics are open for all to see.
Soccer and other sports are not owned by anyone.
Again... show me where i can download the exact specs and components list for a F1 car together with a care and operations manual.
All the rules of the game are open for all to see... The inner workings of the game is not.
Also while YOU might not see it as a sport... Any broader defintion of a sport i can find have no problem fitting something like DOTA or Overwatch os CS:GO...
Funny how they call competitive video gaming "esports" and not "sports"
it stands for electronic sports you moron ... quit being a troll for a second please. why does it matter to you anyway whether it's a sport or not ? people are competing, making money, there are sponsors and commentators and most important there are people watching and traveling to cheer for these players. there is more money in the dota 2 international prize pool than there is in the golf open and the tour de france's prize pools combined for fuck sake. i don't think you realize that esport as a whole is a multibillion (yes billions not millions) dollar industry at this point.
anyways, i don't see why people want esport to become even more mainstream. the only real benefit esports would get from becoming truly mainstream would be for visas, everything else will, imo, do more harm than good. as soon you bring in huge sponsors and big corporate money, you also invite corruption, dirty money and everything else that plagues traditional sports. there are already enough shady orgs, shady betting websites and shady contracts.
The source code is not the rules... the rules of the game are the rules...The source code is more akin to the grass and bolts.... But we can go around this how many times we want and there are still some simple facts... That by most metricts e-sport is a sport. It is not fully regulated not espablished. And if we apply the same metrics on any other sport, few if any would tick all the boxes all the time.
Big difference
Soccer the mechanics are there for anyone to see. A video game could be fixed and you would have no way of knowing.
Overwatch is a competitive video game not a sport. Pick up the Sticks is more a sport than Overwatch as the rules and mechanics are open for all to see.
Soccer and other sports are not owned by anyone.
Again... show me where i can download the exact specs and components list for a F1 car together with a care and operations manual.
All the rules of the game are open for all to see... The inner workings of the game is not.
Also while YOU might not see it as a sport... Any broader defintion of a sport i can find have no problem fitting something like DOTA or Overwatch os CS:GO...
Funny how they call competitive video gaming "esports" and not "sports"
it stands for electronic sports you moron ... quit being a troll for a second please. why does it matter to you anyway whether it's a sport or not ? people are competing, making money, there are sponsors and commentators and most important there are people watching and traveling to cheer for these players. there is more money in the dota 2 international prize pool than there is in the golf open and the tour de france's prize pools combined for fuck sake. i don't think you realize that esport as a whole is a multibillion (yes billions not millions) dollar industry at this point.
anyways, i don't see why people want esport to become even more mainstream. the only real benefit esports would get from becoming truly mainstream would be for visas, everything else will, imo, do more harm than good. as soon you bring in huge sponsors and big corporate money, you also invite corruption, dirty money and everything else that plagues traditional sports. there are already enough shady orgs, shady betting websites and shady contracts.
Rude one are we
Last I checked the Rolling Stones weren't a sport either but that ones probably too deep for you.
Funny how they call competitive video gaming "E-Sports" and not Sports
Funny how you did not have a counter to what i actually said...
But i´l humor you in the hopes that you will learn something...
it is called e-sport for the very reason that when it became a thing it was not really organized or regulated enough to be a "real" sport, it was more akin to how a bunch of rum runners got their cars together on old dirt tracks than a high andvanced motorsport with specialist equipment.
So it got the nickname e-sport... And it sort of stuck. It is apt and it does a good enough job to describe the thing. Much like the X-games.
But with some time i think it will outgrow the name and simply be called a sport among many others.
"3 - not rely of equipment from a single source"
Thats is a pretty big point @tawess and one that I haven't seen reasonably countered.
Thats is a pretty big point @tawess and one that I haven't seen reasonably countered.
As i pointed out.. Other sports break this rule too from tie to time. But yes it is the biggest hurdle to get recoginition as a actual sports federation. This will make it hard to reach olympic status for an example.
Now i can not find a good source on what is included or excluded in that rule anywhere. Just that basic rule qouted.
So i give you that Overwatch will never be a olympic event. Nor will it get a GAISF seat at this time. But there is more to being a sport than GAISF. And outside of that point... A rule more in place to prevent corruption than anything else... e-sport ticks all the boxes for being a sport.
Should we see a sports federation it would be for e-sport at large or for sub-genres like shooters or mobas.
Then again i am pretty sure that hardly anyone on either side of that table gave much though to the idea before OWL.
So... No there is no way around roule 3 of the GAISF charter. preventing a single e-sport game from forming a sport federation (but looking at the rules of applying as one.. it is pretty much out the window anyway. =P) But that is the single lonley point that e-sport does not meet at this point to be able to start the road to becoming a Olympic event. I will maintain that it is a letter vs intention of the law thing... Other can disagree but until someone puts forth a more compelling reason i se no reason to not call e-sport a proper sport.
The source code is not the rules... the rules of the game are the rules...The source code is more akin to the grass and bolts.... But we can go around this how many times we want and there are still some simple facts... That by most metricts e-sport is a sport. It is not fully regulated not espablished. And if we apply the same metrics on any other sport, few if any would tick all the boxes all the time.
Big difference
Soccer the mechanics are there for anyone to see. A video game could be fixed and you would have no way of knowing.
Overwatch is a competitive video game not a sport. Pick up the Sticks is more a sport than Overwatch as the rules and mechanics are open for all to see.
Soccer and other sports are not owned by anyone.
Again... show me where i can download the exact specs and components list for a F1 car together with a care and operations manual.
All the rules of the game are open for all to see... The inner workings of the game is not.
Also while YOU might not see it as a sport... Any broader defintion of a sport i can find have no problem fitting something like DOTA or Overwatch os CS:GO...
Funny how they call competitive video gaming "esports" and not "sports"
it stands for electronic sports you moron ... quit being a troll for a second please. why does it matter to you anyway whether it's a sport or not ? people are competing, making money, there are sponsors and commentators and most important there are people watching and traveling to cheer for these players. there is more money in the dota 2 international prize pool than there is in the golf open and the tour de france's prize pools combined for fuck sake. i don't think you realize that esport as a whole is a multibillion (yes billions not millions) dollar industry at this point.
anyways, i don't see why people want esport to become even more mainstream. the only real benefit esports would get from becoming truly mainstream would be for visas, everything else will, imo, do more harm than good. as soon you bring in huge sponsors and big corporate money, you also invite corruption, dirty money and everything else that plagues traditional sports. there are already enough shady orgs, shady betting websites and shady contracts.
Rude one are we
Last I checked the Rolling Stones weren't a sport either but that ones probably too deep for you.
Cheers.
i hate trolls, can't help it. if you act like a moron, i will call you out on it. you are just arguing semantics for the sake of it at this point.
anyways, esport is here and it's here to stay, and whether your reactionary ass wants it or not, it will become more and more mainstream and probably replace most of the traditional sports in terms of audience within the next decade or two (not football/soccer though, it's the opium of the people and it will be for the foreseeable future).
there is a reason huge companies like disney and sports investors are getting into it, they are losing an enormous part of audience that doesn't give a shit about regular sports and TV anymore. the current generation mostly watches netflix/hulu/prime and they watch twitch. the next one will very likely forget about traditional TV and use computer/mobile exclusively. media consumption is evolving and it's going fast. and since electronics are a huge part of our lives now, it's only natural that electronic sports are becoming mainstream too.
Thats is a pretty big point @tawess and one that I haven't seen reasonably countered.
As i pointed out.. Other sports break this rule too from tie to time. But yes it is the biggest hurdle to get recoginition as a actual sports federation. This will make it hard to reach olympic status for an example.
Now i can not find a good source on what is included or excluded in that rule anywhere. Just that basic rule qouted.
So i give you that Overwatch will never be a olympic event. Nor will it get a GAISF seat at this time. But there is more to being a sport than GAISF. And outside of that point... A rule more in place to prevent corruption than anything else... e-sport ticks all the boxes for being a sport.
Should we see a sports federation it would be for e-sport at large or for sub-genres like shooters or mobas.
Then again i am pretty sure that hardly anyone on either side of that table gave much though to the idea before OWL.
So... No there is no way around roule 3 of the GAISF charter. preventing a single e-sport game from forming a sport federation (but looking at the rules of applying as one.. it is pretty much out the window anyway. =P) But that is the single lonley point that e-sport does not meet at this point to be able to start the road to becoming a Olympic event. I will maintain that it is a letter vs intention of the law thing... Other can disagree but until someone puts forth a more compelling reason i se no reason to not call e-sport a proper sport.
Something doesn't need a league or a federation to be a sport. That stuff is all just political elitist bullshit. Sport existed before any of that crap and it will exist long after.
" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."
Then yes "Overwatch" is a sport, as would equally be Kerplunk, Jenga, Tiddlywinks or Pong.
I have a hard time accepting that when I was playing Pong back in 1972 that what I was really playing was a sport. It would be no less a sport than Overwatch in an Overwatch league.
The definition of sport has fuck all to do with the Olympics, Leagues or Federations.
The source code is not the rules... the rules of the game are the rules...The source code is more akin to the grass and bolts.... But we can go around this how many times we want and there are still some simple facts... That by most metricts e-sport is a sport. It is not fully regulated not espablished. And if we apply the same metrics on any other sport, few if any would tick all the boxes all the time.
Big difference
Soccer the mechanics are there for anyone to see. A video game could be fixed and you would have no way of knowing.
Overwatch is a competitive video game not a sport. Pick up the Sticks is more a sport than Overwatch as the rules and mechanics are open for all to see.
Soccer and other sports are not owned by anyone.
Again... show me where i can download the exact specs and components list for a F1 car together with a care and operations manual.
All the rules of the game are open for all to see... The inner workings of the game is not.
Also while YOU might not see it as a sport... Any broader defintion of a sport i can find have no problem fitting something like DOTA or Overwatch os CS:GO...
Funny how they call competitive video gaming "esports" and not "sports"
it stands for electronic sports you moron ... quit being a troll for a second please. why does it matter to you anyway whether it's a sport or not ? people are competing, making money, there are sponsors and commentators and most important there are people watching and traveling to cheer for these players. there is more money in the dota 2 international prize pool than there is in the golf open and the tour de france's prize pools combined for fuck sake. i don't think you realize that esport as a whole is a multibillion (yes billions not millions) dollar industry at this point.
anyways, i don't see why people want esport to become even more mainstream. the only real benefit esports would get from becoming truly mainstream would be for visas, everything else will, imo, do more harm than good. as soon you bring in huge sponsors and big corporate money, you also invite corruption, dirty money and everything else that plagues traditional sports. there are already enough shady orgs, shady betting websites and shady contracts.
Rude one are we
Last I checked the Rolling Stones weren't a sport either but that ones probably too deep for you.
Cheers.
i hate trolls, can't help it. if you act like a moron, i will call you out on it. you are just arguing semantics for the sake of it at this point.
anyways, esport is here and it's here to stay, and whether your reactionary ass wants it or not, it will become more and more mainstream and probably replace most of the traditional sports in terms of audience within the next decade or two (not football/soccer though, it's the opium of the people and it will be for the foreseeable future).
there is a reason huge companies like disney and sports investors are getting into it, they are losing an enormous part of audience that doesn't give a shit about regular sports and TV anymore. the current generation mostly watches netflix/hulu/prime and they watch twitch. the next one will very likely forget about traditional TV and use computer/mobile exclusively. media consumption is evolving and it's going fast. and since electronics are a huge part of our lives now, it's only natural that electronic sports are becoming mainstream too.
Money and/or popularity has fuck all to do whether something is a sport or not.
I still do not understand why anyone would waste their time watching esports, has to be the dumbest thing for people to squander time, when they could be doing a myriad of other things far more fruitful.
I still do not understand why anyone would waste their time watching esports, has to be the dumbest thing for people to squander time, when they could be doing a myriad of other things far more fruitful.
Even playing a game can be far more rewarding!
Our parent's generation thought the exact same thing with the ways we used to spend our free time too.
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But i´l humor you in the hopes that you will learn something...
it is called e-sport for the very reason that when it became a thing it was not really organized or regulated enough to be a "real" sport, it was more akin to how a bunch of rum runners got their cars together on old dirt tracks than a high andvanced motorsport with specialist equipment.
So it got the nickname e-sport... And it sort of stuck. It is apt and it does a good enough job to describe the thing. Much like the X-games.
But with some time i think it will outgrow the name and simply be called a sport among many others.
This have been a good conversation
why does it matter to you anyway whether it's a sport or not ?
people are competing, making money, there are sponsors and commentators and most important there are people watching and traveling to cheer for these players.
there is more money in the dota 2 international prize pool than there is in the golf open and the tour de france's prize pools combined for fuck sake.
i don't think you realize that esport as a whole is a multibillion (yes billions not millions) dollar industry at this point.
anyways, i don't see why people want esport to become even more mainstream.
the only real benefit esports would get from becoming truly mainstream would be for visas, everything else will, imo, do more harm than good.
as soon you bring in huge sponsors and big corporate money, you also invite corruption, dirty money and everything else that plagues traditional sports. there are already enough shady orgs, shady betting websites and shady contracts.
Last I checked the Rolling Stones weren't a sport either but that ones probably too deep for you.
Cheers.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Thats is a pretty big point @tawess and one that I haven't seen reasonably countered.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Now i can not find a good source on what is included or excluded in that rule anywhere. Just that basic rule qouted.
So i give you that Overwatch will never be a olympic event. Nor will it get a GAISF seat at this time. But there is more to being a sport than GAISF. And outside of that point... A rule more in place to prevent corruption than anything else... e-sport ticks all the boxes for being a sport.
Should we see a sports federation it would be for e-sport at large or for sub-genres like shooters or mobas.
Then again i am pretty sure that hardly anyone on either side of that table gave much though to the idea before OWL.
So... No there is no way around roule 3 of the GAISF charter. preventing a single e-sport game from forming a sport federation (but looking at the rules of applying as one.. it is pretty much out the window anyway. =P) But that is the single lonley point that e-sport does not meet at this point to be able to start the road to becoming a Olympic event. I will maintain that it is a letter vs intention of the law thing... Other can disagree but until someone puts forth a more compelling reason i se no reason to not call e-sport a proper sport.
This have been a good conversation
anyways, esport is here and it's here to stay, and whether your reactionary ass wants it or not, it will become more and more mainstream and probably replace most of the traditional sports in terms of audience within the next decade or two (not football/soccer though, it's the opium of the people and it will be for the foreseeable future).
there is a reason huge companies like disney and sports investors are getting into it, they are losing an enormous part of audience that doesn't give a shit about regular sports and TV anymore.
the current generation mostly watches netflix/hulu/prime and they watch twitch. the next one will very likely forget about traditional TV and use computer/mobile exclusively.
media consumption is evolving and it's going fast. and since electronics are a huge part of our lives now, it's only natural that electronic sports are becoming mainstream too.
If you want to take the definition of sport : https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sport
" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."
Then yes "Overwatch" is a sport, as would equally be Kerplunk, Jenga, Tiddlywinks or Pong.
I have a hard time accepting that when I was playing Pong back in 1972 that what I was really playing was a sport. It would be no less a sport than Overwatch in an Overwatch league.
The definition of sport has fuck all to do with the Olympics, Leagues or Federations.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Even playing a game can be far more rewarding!
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee