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Guild Wars 2 - Bill Murphy - ArenaNet and the Wisdom of Not Doing Anything - MMORPG.com

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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    edited July 2018
    MazingerZ said:

    What kind of double-speak is this?

    Bill, just admit you don't like Mike O'Brien and it's coloring everything you write.

    At least if you put that disclaimer up, you'd be taken seriously.

    Your entire article reeks of a bias, which you're going at great lengths to assure us is entirely justified without showing receipts.

    Step off, mate.
    Um, no? Because this is kind of my job. I can't name my sources, but I do have them. This whole thing is bogus. Maybe she should have been fired. I wouldn't have, but I've already said what I would have done. My point is that this whole thing goes way to the top of AN, and it's not going to stop. If anything, it's only going to get worse now that it's seen as a way to "please" people for MO. 

    I'm not trying to rub you or anyone the wrong way, but rather to put the truth out there. It's yours to do with as you please. 
    Are you aware that you can be sued for defamation? You are calling the man a sociopath are you aware of that?

    I just hope you have reliable sources because this thing could be very costly for you. You are practically lynching him.

    You are portraying his employees as victims and he is an executioner even though the "facts"  are that mentioned employees were clearly acting inappropriate. I hope you know what are you doing. 
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  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    edited July 2018
    Not doing nothing or being a "nice" person is not why a manager gets to be a manager.
    Anet would eventually have to at least make a statement.There was no way for them to act like a ostrich,the response from the players was massive.
    Anet chose the nuclear option,but we can't really know what lead to that.
    Maybe they asked of the developer to make amends with the players and apologise and she told them to f off.Who knows.
    To the point,the developer was wrong 100%..She confronted Anet's customers for no reason and put her employers in the awkward position of having to choose between her or their clients.
    If she was right,if she was indeed being attacked and insulted by the poster that replied to her tweet giving constructive feedback,Anet would have stood by her.But she wasn't.On the contrary she was the one spewing poison.
    The other dev that got fired was collateral damage as firing only her was not an option due to appearances' sake.There was no way to fire only her given the tone that she and a multitude of good Samaritans chose to give to the conversation.
    In the long run this will be good for the company and the game.
    The last thing GW2 needs is toxic devs that lack people skills and can't interact with players in a professional and respectable manner.

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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    By linking the Anet boss to this controversy, you're basically invalidate your position. Thing is, gaming press in a chorus is singing a false narrative, trying to convince people that what's right in front of their eyes is the opposite of what they see. So a claim of "listen and believe" tied to a lie, is pretty much a self defeating effort.

    It is too late even for a separate article, as it will merely look like an attempt at unsubstantiated character assassination.
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  • MazingerZMazingerZ Member UncommonPosts: 52
    edited July 2018
    The problem is that, once again, you used a simple, objective controversy to do it. MMORPG.com had the opportunity and knowledge to factually present the story and its outcome against the popular narrative spread by other media outlets. You used this as an opportunity to criticize their boss, who was factually in the right in this single instance, and thus diluted the news coverage away from the actual issue, just like every other media outlet. If you do not see why this might be an issue, I don't know what to tell you. 
    It is attempting the same tactic as the Polygon, Kotaku, PC Gamer et al pieces did.

    Downplay Jessica Price's culpability and shift blame.

    The thing is, and it's very clear, a substantial number of people are not swallowing the sexism angle.  It is, in fact, burning up what little credibility these outlets had among gamers to begin with.

    Time for a new angle: The CEO of the company is a BAD man to EVERYONE!

    It won't score you as many points with the ideology, but it will allow you to shift focus from one woman who's damaging liberalism's fight for equality (and weaponizing it to enable her shitty personality).

    It is really overplaying their hand in how they manipulate public thought.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

    In short, most eloquently put by Thomas L. McDonald, the Gell-Mann amnesia effect defines the idea that "I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong."
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,692
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    A gaming company catering to customer outrage by firing a couple of employees is one of the side stories related to this incident worthy of coverage. Details about the CEO's personality are part of that story.

    Another side story is inappropriately using misogyny as a defense when it's not warranted.

    And yet a third side story is the equally inappropriate use of the misplaced misogyny accusations to further a fringe political agenda.

    But those IMO are all side issues that, if they deserve their own coverage, should be covered after you thoroughly cover the main story which was a couple of developers, at least one of whom had been drinking by his own admission, using their own public twitter accounts to try to shame a customer for no good reason and without provocation and then doubling down with explicit statements that indicate that being nice to customers is not something they do naturally but is just a facade they turn on when they're on the job.

    Allow me to offer my decidedly amateur observation (ironic, I know :) ) about how you need to "earn the right" to focus on the side issues by first exhaustively dealing with the primary issue. I think this is the problem that even those readers without extremist agendas have with your article. It reads as glossing over the original bad behavior by Price to focus on MO's reaction and make that the main story. This gives the impression of bias and dismissing the importance of the original issue even if that accusation is not warranted.
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    edited July 2018
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
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  • BarCrowBarCrow Member UncommonPosts: 2,195
    edited July 2018
       O'Brien made no spectacle of the firing. He merely informed the community. It is the gaming journalists and Jessica who are making this a spectacle.
      
      That aside....do you honestly think Jessica wouldn't have run back to Twitter and every Journalist who'd listen and spin a non-existent tale of sexism and injustice into a spectacle storm ? Judging from her self proclaimed no nonsense attitude ...or any sampling of tweets she's made for that matter... that's what she would do and I guarantee you... that's what she was in the process of doing when MO posted the announcement. There's no way it would have been kept internal by her. The righteous indignation was too great to contain.
       It does seem that Peter's firing was a bit much but there is still much we do not know internally. Like were they on any disciplinary actions. Do they even have a disciplinary system in place like most corporations? She, at least, should have been on a final warning for the tweet about Total Biscuit. If not already fired. 
       What about him? Final warning perhaps? Did he carry over his gallant defense of a co-worker from twitter and propose a " If she goes, I go!" style ultimatum only to have MO call his bluff?
     Again. Who knows except them.


  • vandal5627vandal5627 Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Man some of you folks responding here need to take a chill pill.  :)
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 6,633
    edited July 2018
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    I know this was meant as a joke, but you did just insinuate that the founder of one of the most respected MMO IP's in the world is a petty, aggressive man who somehow lacks the PR expertise to avoid knee-jerk reactions to a random journalist.
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    Iselin said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    A gaming company catering to customer outrage by firing a couple of employees is one of the side stories related to this incident worthy of coverage. Details about the CEO's personality are part of that story.

    Another side story is inappropriately using misogyny as a defense when it's not warranted.

    And yet a third side story is the equally inappropriate use of the misplaced misogyny accusations to further a fringe political agenda.

    But those IMO are all side issues that, if they deserve their own coverage, should be covered after you thoroughly cover the main story which was a couple of developers, at least one of whom had been drinking by his own admission, using their own public twitter accounts to try to shame a customer for no good reason and without provocation and then doubling down with explicit statements that indicate that being nice to customers is not something they do naturally but is just a facade they turn on when they're on the job.

    Allow me to offer my decidedly amateur observation (ironic, I know :) ) about how you need to "earn the right" to focus on the side issues by first exhaustively dealing with the primary issue. I think this is the problem that even those readers without extremist agendas have with your article. It reads as glossing over the original bad behavior by Price to focus on MO's reaction and make that the main story. This gives the impression of bias and dismissing the importance of the original issue even if that accusation is not warranted.
    This was an amazing response but sadly MMORPG will ignore 100% of it & keep to their extremist agenda. The majority of content creators & news sites that are reporting on this is doing so from an unbiased point of view but not here & not at Kotaku & Polygon. Bill saying he  isn't biased is like someone at Fox News saying he isn't biased towards Republicans. It's Bullshit
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,717
    This was not about it being a public firing, this was about just simple work ethics. JP violated the social media policy that nearly every single business has in talking disrespectfully to their customers in a capacity that represents the company.  The fact that ArenaNet publically announced it has nothing to do with it. Everyone would have found out either way. The way he did it was the way to get out infront of it. The other way around people make assumptions. There is no good way to do it. 

    Fact of the matter is that: This was not a gender issue and she deserved to be fired. Peter got fired because ArenaNet would have likely been sued by JP if he got off the hook. Sure, a sane human being would be able to apologize and stop posting work related content on social media; but she was not sane / is not sane. That clearly would not have happened and the result would have been the same. MO might be a horrible human being, but in this case he did the best thing he could have possibly done given the situation that was created by JP. 
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    edited July 2018
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Tamanous said:
    Aeander said:
    Tamanous said:
    Sorry Bill. You picked the wrong side of this argument. Too many other IP's are being appropriated from their original audiences and too many XXXgates are going on all because social justice warriors force their agenda upon everyone who merely want drama free and quality products. Diversity arises through variety of product and not through appropriation.

    ArenaNet clearly sees how certain multi-billion dollar IPs are being destroyed and losing their core audience along with hemorrhaging earnings because of it. They had to do this. They had to set a precedence. The paying customer has to be respected and employees cannot force their own political agenda not shared by their employer.

    SJWs are a cancer within profit based industries. They insult their audience (i.e. Marvel, LucasFilm) through social media and tell them if they don't like their "art", they can stop buying it. They attack anyone against their narrative even if it's a valid argument (this is exactly what happened here), force their own agenda even if not relevant and play the victim card and even go so far as to create fictitious or highly exaggerated stories of damsels in distress. This has been repeated across each and every industry they have gotten their hands into.

    The ONLY outcome with allowing this sort of hate speech to continue (oh the irony) is to nip it in the bud IMMEDIATELY or else the company will face titanic losses and audience backlash much like LucasFilm is currently facing.

    The stakes are far greater than you make it out to be Bill. The head of ArenaNet may very well be an asshole in his own right but at least he sees the true impact of doing nothing. Customers feel powerless these days. They feel abused and manipulated on multiple entertainment industry fronts. As others have said, if nearly ANY NORMAL employee in ANY NORMAL company would have done this they too would have been instantly fired. There is no defending those 2 (but I direct most of it toward Jessica Price). Price had a long history of it.

    The bigger picture here is that this is so fucking widespread that it is cultural now. IP appropriation is real. Organized SJW attacks using social AND mainstream media is real. Disseminating fictional information to support political agendas within non-political industries is real. Anyone clueless to this only has to put some level minded and intelligent research into the current state of Marvel comics (Lord help the movies moving forward), LucasFilm and IPs like Star Wars and Star Trek to see their attempts to completely abandon their canon, historical cultural impact and audiences in favor of agenda based political ideals ... and frankly really shitty story telling that elevates women by deconstructing men.

    ArenaNet had their eyes open enough to see it and I Goddamn fucking applaud them for it. The term "Get WOKE. Go BROKE!" is true, and ArenaNet bloody knows it.
    I'm not even going to touch the whole social justice issue with a ten foot pole here, but I will give my two cents on the reality I see.

    Arenanet is not, has never been, and will not ever be "woke." They are not, as you seem to believe, a conservative company by any means. In fact, they are a liberal company, if anything. More importantly, they are simply a company that respects their customers.

    With one hand, they show respect for their left-leaning and LGBT customers by recognizing community run pride events and including LGBT NPC's, including ones as prominent as Caithe, Faolain, Marjory, and Kasmeer.

    With the other hand, they show all customers that, regardless of political stance, they cannot tolerate two of their own openly disrespecting customers.

    Let's not dilute the conversation by turning this into a political issue. It isn't one. It's a matter of community relations, basic business practice, and nothing else.
    The choice was yes. The reason why it must be done goes beyond that. It's the implications of not doing anything ... the basis for Bill's article and my greater point.

    Basic business practice you mention is not the current norm. It is not practiced by those purposely driving their IP into the dirt so therefore is not so common or simple as you suggest. 

    But I do agree, as stated, that it SHOULD be standard practice. The shocking truth why it is not across the entertainment industry (perhaps you are not familiar with Gamergate) is my point of discussion.
    I'm not so sure you can call driving IPs into the dirt an objective fact.  I've seen some of the so-called "arguments" regarding creatives driving their IPs into the dirt, and many aren't very persuasive.

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 734
    edited July 2018
    Aaaaand she just keeps going. Seriously. She even makes sure to take offense to MO's complementing her and Fries on their most liked work from this season (episode 1).

    She hasn't even acknowledged, through this entire debacle, that she overreacted in some way or could have done something differently. Instead, she is the victim in all of this and not Deroir, who she held up to her twitter mob as a punching bag. The same person who, days earlier, was saying how much he liked Price and enjoyed her talent.

    But lets not focus on how JP decided to use her social media platform, garnered in-part by having ArenaNet in her bio, to turn a polite fan's attempt at dialogue into a sexism issue. Instead, lets focus on the CEO, Mark O'Brien, actually doing his job ...

    While I do applaud MMORPG.com for keeping the debate going and clean (which says more about the fan base here than anything), I am very, very disappointed in the articles written here covering the topic; thus far, they have been very biased and one-sided. While I acknowledge that Bill states that this is an opinion piece, you guys could have at least tried to present the whole situation, instead of focusing on how Mike O'Brien is somehow a bad guy.
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
    I apologize for that,  it was more tongue in cheek *being a smartass* & will keep my politics to myself. But you need to be careful yourself because you are very much threading a linewith your agenda. An agenda that I'm sure I agree with over 80% of, but it's that other 20%. But once again I do apologize if it seemed like an attack
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
    I apologize for that,  it was more tongue in cheek *being a smartass* & will keep my politics to myself. But you need to be careful yourself because you are very much threading a linewith your agenda. An agenda that I'm sure I agree with over 80% of, but it's that other 20%. But once again I do apologize if it seemed like an attack
    My only real agenda is that people need to beware of Mike OBrien. 

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  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    While his comment went too far, his underlying sentiments(once you get past all the insults) are hardly that farfetched given the tone of your article. It seemed to try to sweep aside JP straight up attacking someone being entirely respectful to her and trying to put him on blast and say he's a misogynist and for what? To talk about how the CEO of arenanet isn't a great guy and how he handled this situation poorly?

    It's just a joke...that you could come to that conclusion. And your responses to people's criticisms of your article leave a lot to be desired. It's more than a little disappointing to be honest. Nothing that'll keep me from coming to the site or anything like that, but it's definitely lowered the quality of how I view articles featured on this site, whether by 3rd party or by the site's natural writers given this is the 2nd article on this site about this issue that was so egregiously one sided in it's portrayal of the events that took place.

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 734
    edited July 2018
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
    I apologize for that,  it was more tongue in cheek *being a smartass* & will keep my politics to myself. But you need to be careful yourself because you are very much threading a linewith your agenda. An agenda that I'm sure I agree with over 80% of, but it's that other 20%. But once again I do apologize if it seemed like an attack
    My only real agenda is that people need to beware of Mike OBrien. 
    If I worked for Mike O'Brien literally anyone and took to social media with the company name in my bio in order to attack customers, I'd be very afraid for my job.
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  • Warhawke80Warhawke80 Member RarePosts: 314

    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Whoa Bill....that was totally uncalled for, you are now in the realm of just slinging shit at MO.....you had me thinking right up until this. 

    That's very uncharacteristic of you, but clearly states that you have an agenda.
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
    I apologize for that,  it was more tongue in cheek *being a smartass* & will keep my politics to myself. But you need to be careful yourself because you are very much threading a linewith your agenda. An agenda that I'm sure I agree with over 80% of, but it's that other 20%. But once again I do apologize if it seemed like an attack
    My only real agenda is that people need to beware of Mike OBrien. 
    If I worked for Mike O'Brien literally anyone and took to social media with the company name in my bio in order to attack customers, I'd be very afraid for my job.
    I agree! I guess I needed to make it clearer that JP is just a small piece to this puzzle. 
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  • Warhawke80Warhawke80 Member RarePosts: 314
    celtwulf said:
    celtwulf said:
    I said it’s not about JP. This goes above and beyond this single instance. But well, I know what I know. I’ve said what I can say. Totally fine if you think I’m crazy. :)
    Bill Murphy, a white knight for self righteous pieces of trash. Funny how you've known all this stuff about ArenaNet for so long & how they do but wait til now to say anything about it. That is some moral compass you have there Mr. White Knight. Unless it's total bullshit & you're just trying to make the crybaby idiot who got fired look better? But hey, at least she can't do anymore harm.
    MO, that you?
    Nope. My name is Michael. I am a Democratic Campaigner & Advocate in the southeast, where we have started winning seats considerably, who wants people to understand that REAL progressives & liberals DO NOT think like you & Miss Price. 
    Just so you’re aware - politics aren’t allowed here. Keep it off the forums, and you’re fine. But also, personal attacks towards staff and other forum members are not allowed, so hold it back there. 
    But Bill....you just personally attacked a game developer, and now you are saying I can sling it but don't clap back.....that is exactly what JP did.

    Can't you see the irony of this?
    LeiloniDakeru
  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 734
    edited July 2018
    If I worked for Mike O'Brien literally anyone and took to social media with the company name in my bio in order to attack customers, I'd be very afraid for my job.
    I agree! I guess I needed to make it clearer that JP is just a small piece to this puzzle. 
    I guess I'm just not seeing a puzzle here, as there isn't much to figure out.

    (EDIT: My point is that, while I appreciate that you have an opinion and agenda, nothing you've presented points to MO being a bad guy. In this situation, the most you could say is that he shouldn't have said publicly the two employees were let go; however, even that is fairly minor, IMO. You're essentially just saying "my agenda is MO is a bad guy" without really presenting any information to persuade your readers to coming to the same conclusion.)
    acidbloodLeiloni
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited July 2018
    I thought this story was about how an employee of a company went after a consumer while wearing the badge of the company and was properly removed from the position to protect brand appearance.

    It's ironic that some staff members of MMORPG tread closely to making the same error, luckily y'all don't work for this Mike O'brien (didn't really know who that was until Google).


    [Deleted User]Warhawke80LeiloniYashaX
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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