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Fallout 76 is indeed an MMORPG, and it sounds pretty great! - MMORPG.com News

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,308
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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,012
    edited June 2018
    Torval said:
    Limnic said:
    Limnic said:
    ...extending back into many early roguelikes.
    Man, when people dogpile without knowing what they are jumping into it gets really sad.
    Right the point is for people to stop crediting wurm and a low budget arma mod for creating the genre and then acting like Fallout is hopping on a bandwagon. I merely pointed out that with the FO and Wasteland comment. It's like saying WoW created MMOs. It didn't. It may have defined themeparks, like ARK has done with current survival titles, but it didn't invent the genre. 
    That's why I personally never said any of the prior mentioned ones were the inventors of the genre.

    It's not like Wasteland was the first post-apocalyptic title either, but you'll be hard pressed to find people familiar with the games of of the late 1970s to the early 1980s who can list them for you because Wasteland stands as one of the few original popularizers of that genre.

    Saying a game that did not popularize or define something somehow did does not further that point you say you're wishing to make, it only muddies it further. So it kind of throws a wrench into the works to dogpile comments that confuse things, like calling RPGs that don't do the survival bit as survival games before other titles that are actually survival games.
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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,623
    DMKano said:
    Not sure why people are so hung on the stupid definition - who  cares? MMO, not mmo, survival - whatever

    Will it have fun gameplay - all that matters to me.
    Definitions are important for many people. If you dont need them, then great for you, but I do not think caring about definitions is something so strange that you should not be able to get it.

    I prefer being able to identify and classify things based on their definition. If we do not stick to them, then what is the point of them existing in the first place.

    If someone tells me they like to listen to metal music, I know what they mean exactly because it is defined.

    Just like metal defines a music genre, MMORPG defines a game genre. One that many of us care about and one we do not appreciate being violated by calling games from other genres MMORPGs. This goes beyond whether a game is fun or not. 


    Really? So when they say they like metal music you can instantly discern which category of metal music they're into?


    I was considering whether I should use some of the more specific categories from the list you wrote, but then I thought that for getting my point across, limiting it to "metal" should be enough. 

    The point is that these categories...these labels...exist for a reason. Just change the word "metal" in my previous post to "death metal" and the point stands.

    The person I quoted implied that definitions are not important to him and that he does not get why people care about them. In my post, I tried to explain (in a simple way) why I believe definitions are important. Maybe not to everyone, but to me and I am sure many other people, they are.

    I think the more you care about certain genre regardless of whether it is music or gaming or anything else, the more likely you are to be irritated by the definition not being adhered to. For me, MMORPGs have been important since I was a kid and I cannot just ignore it when the genre is being screwed like this. 

    PS I need to change my profile picture. I dont want to be referred to as "she". 
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  • JyiigaJyiiga Member UncommonPosts: 1,133
    edited June 2018
    The industry continues to push with calling everything with any form of multiplayer an MMO. There is nothing massive about this game. You are all tip tapping around the tern "dozen". MMOs have hundreds or thousands of players. It is another twist on the survival genre. It is not an MMO or and MMORPG. There is nothing "Massive" about playing in a game world that support the same number of players as some lobby shooters out there.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,308
    The last info "leaked" says around 30 players per "server".

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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,012
    Jyiiga said:
    The industry continues to push with calling everything with any form of multiplayer an MMO. There is nothing massive about this game. You are all tip tapping around the tern "dozen". MMOs have hundreds or thousands of players. It is another twist on the survival genre. It is not an MMO or and MMORPG. There is nothing "Massive" about playing in a game world that support the same number of players as some lobby shooters out there.
    Not really the industry doing it in this case any ways. I've so far only seen this site and one tweet claiming it's an MMO while most other news sites and people are calling it some permutation of "survival game".

    Given the amount of news that has come out since this article, it's somewhat likely that the multiplayer survival genre classification will be used more universally going forward, but you'll always have stragglers.

    And hey Ceceropia, you want to explain why you think false statements are awesome?
  • StarjjaStarjja Member UncommonPosts: 3
    The game does lend its self to my interests quite well, but it isn't by definition an MMORPG. For that you need environments that hold thousands of players if not more for that categorization to be accurate. You just cant have a game with multiplayer functionality with a capacity 32 players and go ohh it must be an MMO, no that's not how its works. Its kind of in the acronym " Massively Multiplayer Online" massive does not mean 32 people.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,767
    Pete Hines of Bethesda stated this is not an MMO. 

    'While the core mechanics of the game seem locked down, there also appears to be a lot of nuance still being worked out. For instance, Bethesda hasn’t said how many people can be in one instance of the game. Howard said during the press conference that it would be dozens of people on the map, not hundreds and not thousands. Hines reiterated that.'

    “This is not an MMO and this is not a battle royale,” he said. “It’s supposed to feel like they just left the vault.”

    https://variety.com/2018/gaming/features/fallout-76-online-interview-1202844504/


    So I think we can all put that to rest. When the company of the game in question states specifically that it is NOT an MMO or Battle Royale then it is not one. 



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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483

    So I think we can all put that to rest. When the company of the game in question states specifically that it is NOT an MMO or Battle Royale then it is not one. 



    You have a lotta faith in folks. ;)
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,767

    So I think we can all put that to rest. When the company of the game in question states specifically that it is NOT an MMO or Battle Royale then it is not one. 



    You have a lotta faith in folks. ;)
    That is also a fair point lol 
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  • ImmdevImmdev Member UncommonPosts: 1
    edited June 2018
    I'm shocked that editor of MMORPG.com didn't know definition of MMORPG and mistook MOG for it.
    I'm shocked to the point that this post forced me to write my first comment in 10-11 years since registration.
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  • TeamUpTeamUp Member UncommonPosts: 22
    edited June 2018
    This reminds me of, "The dozens and dozens of the Mankind fans," vs "The millions and millions of The Rocks fans." Do you prefer Mankind or the Rock.
  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,311
    kitarad said:
    The solo play part I don't understand ... will they allow people to play alone with no interference or do they mean a solo play style where you still can have others destroy what you have built and able to interact with other players.
    This is the real vague crap from Todd. Yes you can solo means you don't have to group up with people. But if those people decide to kill you then to bad.
  • WylfWylf Member UncommonPosts: 368
    KaliGold said:
    Forced into pvp just like BDO. What a disaster... im so dissapointed

    Disappointed they went the grief fest route. I think I'll be passing on Fallout 76...
    Agree with both comments.
    As for the intro, frankly does not sound pretty great.
  • UtinniUtinni Member RarePosts: 783
    After watching the NoClip documentary on the game I'm much more interested. It'll be great to play with 3 friends each being spec'd for specific things. I myself plan to work on crafting food.
  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Member UncommonPosts: 1,227
    LeFantome said:
    Come on guys.. this was obvious. Look at ESO. They want to do the same with Fallout.
    Milking the game as much as they can.. and don't think that Skyrim 6 is coming anything time soon . They have to milk Fallout first and then, when they're done with Fallout, we'll get Skyrim, not before.
    This is purely business. Bethesda is there for one reason and only one. $$$$$$$
    What else is a corporate game company supposed to do?  There existence is to make money.

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  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 1,092
    Immdev said:
    I'm shocked that editor of MMORPG.com didn't know definition of MMORPG and mistook MOG for it.
    I'm shocked to the point that this post forced me to write my first comment in 10-11 years since registration.
    I don't know, it's not a solo RPG, not co-op, and I have the chance to meet someone from a pool of thousands of other random players when I'm playing. That may not qualify as massive to some people, but it's everything I look for in an MMORPG.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,199
    Well instead of the typical hype and instead of hearing from people who may be influenced by the bright lights and hundreds of fake cheers and clapping at E3,i decided to find out more about the game from the designer..Todd and interviews.

    First of all,NO it is not a MMO,go figure this site talks about how good the game is yet gets  that simple aspect wrong.The maps 6 of them will feature dozens of players NOT hundreds.

    Rather than paragraphs of description,i got a very simple feel for this game,it is in reality H1Z1 with a different skin and instead of ripping people off with 1 map this has 6.
    Does the genre need yet another survival,shooter,no i do not think it does and the thought of grabbing yet another pistol or minnigun just bores the heck out me.

    CREATIVITY in game design in the 2000's,WHERE is it,all we are seeing is a new skin with same old ideas.

    One thing i have yet to find out and SHOULD have been the very first question asked is if there will be a cash shop,i feel likely there is but nobody has asked or saying yet.


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,375
    ESO is an MMORPG that doesn't force me to play like one. FO76 isn't an MMO but forces me to play like one. Of course. It makes perfect sense.
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 835
    Hariken said:
    kitarad said:
    The solo play part I don't understand ... will they allow people to play alone with no interference or do they mean a solo play style where you still can have others destroy what you have built and able to interact with other players.
    This is the real vague crap from Todd. Yes you can solo means you don't have to group up with people. But if those people decide to kill you then to bad.
    That is what I took from it.  You can play solo and die alone or go with friends and die as a group.

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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,012
    Torval said:
    ESO is an MMORPG that doesn't force me to play like one. FO76 isn't an MMO but forces me to play like one. Of course. It makes perfect sense.
    It's sort of like trying to solo a Battlefield game. It's not that it plays like an MMO, it plays like an online-only title. 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    "Dozens of your friends. Not hundreds or even thousands." ---Todd Howard
    Not an mmorpg in my book. More of a Rust or DayZ type game which is what was reported previous to tonight. Still sounds like a really cool game. Regardless of what it is 'labelled'
    Dozens sounds a bit fuzzy, I rather have a number before deciding if I think it is a massive game or not. 32 players on a map is not massive since tons of FPS games have that number. More then so I guess I could call it a "MMO (even though it isn't super "massive"), 32 or less and it is a CORPG like GW.

    But it does make sense from a RP perspective to have fewer people in a zone after the apocalypse then in a huge fantasy world. What really matters is if it is fun or not though, I think this is as close to a real Western AAA MMORPG being announced this year as we get.
  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,476
    Nyctelios said:
    The last info "leaked" says around 30 players per "server".
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,737
    Loke666 said:
    "Dozens of your friends. Not hundreds or even thousands." ---Todd Howard
    Not an mmorpg in my book. More of a Rust or DayZ type game which is what was reported previous to tonight. Still sounds like a really cool game. Regardless of what it is 'labelled'
    Dozens sounds a bit fuzzy, I rather have a number before deciding if I think it is a massive game or not. 32 players on a map is not massive since tons of FPS games have that number. More then so I guess I could call it a "MMO (even though it isn't super "massive"), 32 or less and it is a CORPG like GW.

    But it does make sense from a RP perspective to have fewer people in a zone after the apocalypse then in a huge fantasy world. What really matters is if it is fun or not though, I think this is as close to a real Western AAA MMORPG being announced this year as we get.
    If thats as close to having an MMO made in the West as we're going to get, then might as well say that the only MMO's now are coming out of Korea, though given that my preferred game these days is BDO, that might actually be the case.
    Kind of a sad indictment on western games though tbh, maybe thats why WoW is still a thing and games like BDO, FFXIV, ESO and Eve have very little in the way of real competition.
    Speaking of the original GW, the developers/publishers classed it as a COOP RPG, but how many ignored that and instead insisted that it was an MMO, despite all evidence to the contrary? that they will undoubtedly ignore the facts and developer statements and also insist that this game is also an MMO because 'insert irrelevant reason here' is as inevitable as it is hillarious and only distracts from whether or not the game is going to actually be any good, fingers crossed on that one tbh  :p
  • RouzukiRouzuki Member UncommonPosts: 66
    K but unless we can make private sessions, I'm pretty sure it's just going to end up like GTA Online with nukes.
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