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Neowiz release information on the premium sub,$199.99 founders pack reduced to $149.99 in latest Q&A

AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
edited May 2018 in Bless
Neowiz have released another Q&A on steam with information on what you get from premium sub, Preview of mount, pet and weapon skins and other information.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/681660/announcements/detail/1651011615841260190
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,696
    edited May 2018
    Premium Membership details... " As we are aware of your concerns regarding P2W, there will be no items that can directly enhance characters or items."

    Premium mount skin (Black Wind Caligo)
    Premium pet skin (Enchanting Loroshi)
    Reduces NPC equipment repair fee by 30%
    Reduces Wyvern usage fee by 50 %: Players can travel to any area within Bless by paying the Wyvern manager (located in each village/city) gold for Wyvern transportation.
    Pickaxe: This premium pickaxe used for Gathering provides unlimited usage within the designated time period, whereas the regular pickaxe has a limited number of uses.
    Gathering Bag: This premium bag used for Gathering provides unlimited usage within the designated time period, whereas the regular gathering bag has a limited number of uses.
    Acquires 20% more hunting experience points: Increased amount of experience points earned through hunting monsters.
    Acquires 20% more Dungeon points: Increased amount of dungeon points earned through playing dungeons.
    Adds 20% hunting gold bonus: Increased amount of gold earned through hunting monsters.
    Allows 5 more items to be registered in the market: Increased amount of items registerable on the market.
    Reduces market tax by 10%: Reduced market tax rate.
    Increases daily activity point exchange amount by 20%: The amount of exchanges allowed per day within the in-game system, Exchange Office, is increased. The Exchange Office is an in-game feature where players can exchange a specific amount of their dungeon and combat points (earned through in-game activities) into Lumena. It is exchangeable regardless of whether you purchase the premium membership or not. The Lumena that one obtains through exchanges is an in-game currency with which players can purchase a variety of items in the store.

    Even with their explanation/excuse of not being P2W because you can't "directly enhance" stats some of that stuff looks like classic P2W.

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,726
    If you cry p2w from this either you're a troll or a poor guy who can't play cause you have a shitty computer anyways.So basicly you're a troll.
    That's right.. tell everyone they are a troll.. tell them their computers are shit.. tell them they are poor.

    You are the kind of guy I would love to play videogames with.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Collectors Edition. At least they tried.


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  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    edited May 2018
    Collectors Edition. At least they tried.


    That is what the pack was called before, They have reduced the price because people complained it was priced to high and a lot of people were saying it should be priced around $150. 

    I don't really understand the point of your post, It doesn't make any sense.
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  • Tom272Tom272 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    They are listening to player feedback and implementing changes. Can't ask for more from todays cash grab companies who create games for us.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,737
    If you cry p2w from this either you're a troll or a poor guy who can't play cause you have a shitty computer anyways.So basicly you're a troll.

    Ad hominem attacks based on another persons lack of money?

    This has to be the saddest most insecure  comment I have seen on this forum in a long time.

    wow.....
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,737
    edited May 2018
    IMO the biggest issue is the tax break on market sales 

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10

    Overall I think the premium membership is not worth spending money on as none of that is worth $15 a month for me personally.

    So sticking with base game $29.99 - the subscription membership doesnt provide enough value to justify the price

    I am glad they put this out before the game

    Also that $150 is just way overpriced for what it is, with premium support gone - this just has not much value over other packs IMO

    Now they just need to list all contents of their premium cash shop items and we are golden


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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,737
    AnnaTS said:
    Collectors Edition. At least they tried.


    That is what the pack was called before, They have reduced the price because people complained it was priced to high and a lot of people were saying it should be priced around $150. 

    I don't really understand the point of your post, It doesn't make any sense.

    IMO its just not worth it - the stuff included is just not good enough for the cost

    just my 2c
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  • BoltonsquadBoltonsquad Member UncommonPosts: 381
    DMKano said:
    IMO the biggest issue is the tax break on market sales 

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10

    Overall I think the premium membership is not worth spending money on as none of that is worth $15 a month for me personally.

    So sticking with base game $29.99 - the subscription membership doesnt provide enough value to justify the price

    I am glad they put this out before the game

    Also that $150 is just way overpriced for what it is, with premium support gone - this just has not much value over other packs IMO

    Now they just need to list all contents of their premium cash shop items and we are golden


    The unlimited Pickaxe and Gathering Bag is enough to warrant a sub in my opinion, Also the premium mount and pet skin will change monthly so you will always get a different one only obtainable through sub, these won't be sold in the cash shop.

    20% more dungeon points and 20% more daily activity point exchange is also great, which allows you to change your in game currency for premium cash shop currency.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,737
    DMKano said:
    IMO the biggest issue is the tax break on market sales 

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10

    Overall I think the premium membership is not worth spending money on as none of that is worth $15 a month for me personally.

    So sticking with base game $29.99 - the subscription membership doesnt provide enough value to justify the price

    I am glad they put this out before the game

    Also that $150 is just way overpriced for what it is, with premium support gone - this just has not much value over other packs IMO

    Now they just need to list all contents of their premium cash shop items and we are golden


    The unlimited Pickaxe and Gathering Bag is enough to warrant a sub in my opinion, Also the premium mount and pet skin will change monthly so you will always get a different one only obtainable through sub, these won't be sold in the cash shop.

    20% more dungeon points and 20% more daily activity point exchange is also great, which allows you to change your in game currency for premium cash shop currency.

    the in game picks are dirt cheap -so that pickaxe isnt all that, same with the bag, its not an issue at all in normal gameplay. Have you played Bless before? 

    20% is nothing to me so no big deal

    10% can be huge over time on really expensive items on the AH. That one could be worth it end game for sure
  • pureremedypureremedy Member UncommonPosts: 42
    This is not WoW or FFXIV where you have to have a sub to be able to play thru the whole game @$15 a month which you still have to buy the game and expansions plus optional cash shops but thats ok right? VS Bless buy once and play the game forever with optional membership and minor p2w elements which to me is more like pay to advance imo and again optional if you choose so it might not be AAA or a brand new IP but i don't see the problem other than ppl can't afford it for a whole month but yet they can afford to go see movies, drinks, restaurants for a day vs a month.
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    On second thought, let's not go to Bless. 'Tis a silly place.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,580
    edited May 2018
    One thing I'm unclear on.  Is the premium membership only available to people who purchase the collectors edition, or can anyone buy it?

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,580
    edited May 2018
    DMKano said:

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10





    I like your use of a P2W scale to rate the level of advantage sold in cash shops or from the premium sub.

    Most players fail to understand (or at least agree on) what true P2W really is, so this helps remove that debate from the discussion.


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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,472
    Kyleran said:
    One thing I'm unclear on.  Is the premium membership only available to people who purchase the collectors edition, or can anyone buy it?
    Its not clear but:

    If the question is rephrased as: will I be allowed to pay Neowiz extra money if I don't buy the Premium edition I think the answer will be ..... begins with y ends in s!

    I don't forsee a "non-Premium" subscription option.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,744
    Kyleran said:
    One thing I'm unclear on.  Is the premium membership only available to people who purchase the collectors edition, or can anyone buy it?
    I'm pretty sure anyone can get it, because they posted somewhere that premium membership can't be extended through Lumena you earn by playing. Only by spending real money on it.

    It would be a really, really odd move to restrict a "sub" to people who've bought the most expensive pack.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,737
    Kyleran said:
    One thing I'm unclear on.  Is the premium membership only available to people who purchase the collectors edition, or can anyone buy it?
    Premium membership can be bought for $15 per month (probably 3,6 and 12 months with discounts)

    It is not tied to the packs only

    Basically Bless is a B2P game with optional sub. 

    The game also has a cash shop with non-premium and premium only items.

    Neowiz is yet to reveal the full list of premium only cash shop items
    Kyleran
  • MidPrincessMidPrincess Member UncommonPosts: 89
    If you cry p2w from this either you're a troll or a poor guy who can't play cause you have a shitty computer anyways.So basicly you're a troll.
    Wow, you must be what, 9 years old?  Not everyone uses mom's credit card to buy their PC
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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,650
    edited May 2018
    Kyleran said:
    DMKano said:

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10





    I like your use of a P2W scale to rate the level of advantage sold in cash shops or from the premium sub.

    Most players fail to understand (or at least agree on) what true P2W really is, so this helps remove that debate from the discussion.


    There is nothing like "true P2W".

    P2W is just a term used by people to describe a monetization model which they subjectively consider as providing ingame advantages for real cash.

    What they specifically mean by that or what are the criteria which determine whether a game is so called "P2W" in their book or not differs from person to person.

    The term P2W should be completely abandoned for such debate to be removed, but it is never gonna happen.

    People will rather keep fighting over whether a game qualifies as P2W or not armed with their own subjective definitions of the term never reaching a consensus.


    Post edited by coretex666 on
    Kyleran
  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,019
    Kyleran said:
    DMKano said:

    Not something that will keep me from playing but on a p2w scale that one is about a 4 out of 10.

    The rest of it is really minor like 2/10, 3/10





    I like your use of a P2W scale to rate the level of advantage sold in cash shops or from the premium sub.

    Most players fail to understand (or at least agree on) what true P2W really is, so this helps remove that debate from the discussion.


    There is nothing like "true P2W".

    P2W is just a term used by people to describe a monetization model which they subjectively consider as providing ingame advantages for real cash.

    What they specifically mean by that or what the criteria which determine whether a game is so called "P2W" in their book or not differs from person to person.

    The term P2W should be completely abandoned for such debate to be removed, but it is never gonna happen.

    People will rather keep fighting over whether a game qualifies as P2W or not armed with their own subjective definitions of the term never reaching a consensus.


    There absolutely is true p2w. That's what BDO is. Gear in the cash shop that gives stats is pure and simple p2w. That's the original meaning of p2w. Literal buying of power.

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  • GrandpaDJGrandpaDJ Member UncommonPosts: 117
    edited May 2018
    If you want people to play the game - be nice to them.
    If you don't like the game - no reason to comment, move along.

    Edited to be nicer  :)
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  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247
    edited May 2018
    Good luck to anyone who doesn't pay to have access to.....

    Acquires 20% more hunting experience points: Increased amount of experience points earned through hunting monsters.
    Acquires 20% more Dungeon points: Increased amount of dungeon points earned through playing dungeons.
    Adds 20% hunting gold bonus: Increased amount of gold earned through hunting monsters.



    Because we all know that doing anything faster in a pvp game has no affect at all.

    Begs the question....if its not beneficial at all why even offer it?
  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,364
    Good luck to anyone who doesn't pay to have access to.....

    Acquires 20% more hunting experience points: Increased amount of experience points earned through hunting monsters.
    Acquires 20% more Dungeon points: Increased amount of dungeon points earned through playing dungeons.
    Adds 20% hunting gold bonus: Increased amount of gold earned through hunting monsters.
    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/473666/neowiz-release-information-on-the-premium-sub-199-99-founders-pack-reduced-to-149-99-in-latest-q-a#SJvj4C2oLPPjytAd.99


    Because we all know that doing anything faster in a pvp game has no affect at all.

    Begs the question....if its not beneficial at all why even offer it?
    It's definitely beneficial but it isn't giving an advantage other than taking less time to level. 

    No matter what people will always level faster than you, there's always that one person who finds the perfect grinding spot who can play 24 hours a day and not sleep and doesn't work, so for some people having a 20% bonus might be helpful. But in my opinion, offering an exp boost isn't abnormal, and certainly way better than other alternatives they could be offering.

    I think some of the other perks are probably more game changing like the 10% less market tax. When in game currencies are flooded and the market cost for items jumps, you will notice that a lot more than 20% bonus exp. 
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,733
    edited May 2018
    I can't wait for this game to release so the hype can die. Getting tired of all the Bless talk everywhere. Its like Dark and Light all over again. People were making a big fuss over that last year now its forgotten.
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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 8,971
    edited May 2018
    I am buying the $39.99 package and cant wait to play on the 28th.


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