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More Greedmonger refund drama

Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
In this Neverending Story, Jason Appleton the former person behind the ill-fated Greedmonger and such gems as the ill-fated  SwingEasy App (removed from the app store) and who was part of the ill-fated Neighbors With Benefits TV show... is now bashing backers that are upset that they still haven't gotten their refunds for the game originally abandoned in 2015 despite his promises. Here are some of his recent comments:



Here is his refund spreadsheet:

http://bit.ly/2nkUz0a


For a guy that claims to have made a fortune in CryptoCurrency he sure seems to have a lot of trouble simply paying back these folks. He has a new "Crypto" show that is supposed to be coming out.  Anyone want to take a bet that I can soon use the prefix "Ill-Fated" when discussing it?

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Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 1,601
    edited May 13
    That amuses me about the US. If a single mother does not pay her debt to the bank or the insurance company, she may go into jail (like it is XIX century England). But if some guy defrauds thousands of people, he gets a TV show. This is like a comedy of absurd.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 4,278
    Tsk, tsk, sounds shady.

  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 4,922
    I think he's just looking for cheap advertisement on his upcoming cryptocurrency project. If he manages to gain a lot of attention while giving no refunds then he's accomplished his aims.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 4,278
    Really wish they would regulate Kickstarters a little more. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member RarePosts: 1,254
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 1,487
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Trust me, he is the bad guy. The history behind this is, lets say, unique. You should read up on all of it, Slapshots got you covered if you dig through some old threads on this very website, its eye opening really.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Your lack of knowledge on this topic is clear. Feel free to take up the suggestion from @lahnmir

    I think that @Vrika hit it on the head.   He's looking for publicity.

    Pretty sure his Crypto show will end up alongside Neighbors With Benefits in the garbage heap.



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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member RarePosts: 2,458
    My favorite part is when he shows up here and threatens to sue literally everyone. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member RarePosts: 1,254
    lahnmir said:
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Trust me, he is the bad guy. The history behind this is, lets say, unique. You should read up on all of it, Slapshots got you covered if you dig through some old threads on this very website, its eye opening really.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 

    Well, I'll be honest, I am not going to dig though anything, as this sounds like drama for the sake of drama, and I think I would rather drink molten glass then actively look for that kind of stuff.

    But, let me ask you a question. Just one question.

    Is this person required by law, to provide a refund at all?

    I'll await your answer.
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member RarePosts: 2,458
    Ungood said:
    lahnmir said:
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Trust me, he is the bad guy. The history behind this is, lets say, unique. You should read up on all of it, Slapshots got you covered if you dig through some old threads on this very website, its eye opening really.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 

    Well, I'll be honest, I am not going to dig though anything, as this sounds like drama for the sake of drama, and I think I would rather drink molten glass then actively look for that kind of stuff.

    But, let me ask you a question. Just one question.

    Is this person required by law, to provide a refund at all?

    I'll await your answer.
    Yes, probably:

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2015/06/dont-let-crowdfunding-be-your-doom
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    edited May 13
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Post edited by Slapshot1188 on
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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member EpicPosts: 2,656
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
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    My name is ruin, my name is broken
    My name is shameless, I'll tear you wide open"


  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
    That’s a totally different topic.   One does not negate the other.

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • WellspringWellspring Member RarePosts: 920
    I just count myself lucky to have never heard of this game back when it was on KS. Who knows if I would've backed it?! :relieved:
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member EpicPosts: 5,066
    what a POS , the time it takes this foo to put people on his special little spread sheet , who have given them there refund and maybe just maybe , people would stop trashin your dumb ass
  • WizardryWizardry Member EpicPosts: 14,362
    edited May 13
    How did he defraud anyone,people that give money on a whim are idiots and deserve NOTHING.

    How long ago was this and we still see millions thrown at Chris Roberts.Last time i tried SC i spent like 5 minutes and thought wtf is this pile of crap and logged out and never cared to ever look at the game again.Yet here we are and people STILL throwing money at the game.

    I just spent a few minutes to go look at Reynad's self made card game as well i listened to him talk about it in Twitch.It is CRAP and he talks about how people will look at the beta version and be turned away not realizing it's full potential.NO to excuses,you are considered a young millionaire,hire some real artists,put some real money into the game like YOUR own instead of just ripping off naive people.
    I will spell it out ,yet again,if a game is good enough the developer will fund it or via real investors,if the dev has to go to the people to get free money then that dev is NOT confident in their own product and it is then NOT good enough.
    Post edited by Wizardry on

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  • rertezrertez Member UncommonPosts: 187
    edited May 13
    Ungood said:
    lahnmir said:
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Trust me, he is the bad guy. The history behind this is, lets say, unique. You should read up on all of it, Slapshots got you covered if you dig through some old threads on this very website, its eye opening really.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 

    Well, I'll be honest, I am not going to dig though anything, as this sounds like drama for the sake of drama, and I think I would rather drink molten glass then actively look for that kind of stuff.

    But, let me ask you a question. Just one question.

    Is this person required by law, to provide a refund at all?

    I'll await your answer.
    He started off the Greedmonger kickstarter campaign to scam people. He hasn't chosen to repay a portion of his backers but he got into an unconvenient situation that forced him into promising to repay some people to ease the pressure on him. This guy is a notorious liar and scammer. He's probably lying about repaying some of his backers too.

    Oh and his line about the so called "self fulfilling prophecy of the haters, trolls and flamers" that caused his project's failure is just classic.

    Greedmonger was among the most famous kickstarter scams that forced KickStarter to change their campaign policy a couple of years ago.

    I'm not a backer of Greedmonger but I found the history of this "project" very interesting, instructive and alarming at the same time.
    Post edited by rertez on
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 4,922
    Ungood said:
    lahnmir said:
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    Trust me, he is the bad guy. The history behind this is, lets say, unique. You should read up on all of it, Slapshots got you covered if you dig through some old threads on this very website, its eye opening really.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 

    Well, I'll be honest, I am not going to dig though anything, as this sounds like drama for the sake of drama, and I think I would rather drink molten glass then actively look for that kind of stuff.

    But, let me ask you a question. Just one question.

    Is this person required by law, to provide a refund at all?

    I'll await your answer.
    Yes, very likely.

    But the game gained less than $100 000 in Kickstarter, and apparently no-one ever took the risk of legal costs to sue him and try to obtain that money.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member EpicPosts: 5,066
    Ungood said:
    So let me get this right.

    He has Zero Obligation to repay the Money.. yet.. has chosen to give a refund.. out of his own pocket no less.. and a bunch of crybaby entitled audacious jerks.. are calling him the bad guy?

    He did however , promise folks more than once that he would do redunds.. So he has a moral Obligation to do this or say                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               " Hey i was wrong , i cant do refunds , turns out i am as Morally Bankrupt as a I am Financially Bankrupt"


     But he doesnt even have the backbone or intestianl fortitude to do that , he would much rather take the weak approach of detract, blame ,excuses and or avoid ..
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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member EpicPosts: 2,656
    edited May 13
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
    That’s a totally different topic.   One does not negate the other.

    I apologize in advance as I do try to not be rude if I can help it, but in this case I'm making an exception as your statement is just such absolute bullshit that I can't help myself.

    Let me explain. Person A. made a bunch of promises to create a game that People B. would like. He asked for People B. to give him money, no strings attached to make these dreams and promises come true. People B. threw thousands of dollars at him, based on nothing but some windy words. Person A. failed to deliver on said promises. Thereby making People B's donations worthless.

    Ok then, how am I supposed to demonize one participant and yet not the other? If I agree that Appleton is a charlatan that stole your money then I have to also admit you are a gullible fool for handing that money to him in the first place. Saying that Person A. is guilty of fraud but exempting People B. of gullible culpability means that there has been no actual crime committed. Unless Appleton came to all of your homes and took your money at gun point then you fools share an equal portion of the blame. Either own up to this or stop wasting our time with with your feckless whining.
    Post edited by MisterZebub on
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    My name is no one, no one is calling
    My name is ruin, my name is heartbreak
    My name is loving, but sorrows and darkness
    My name is ruin, my name is evil
    My name's a war song, I sing you a new one
    My name is ruin, my name is broken
    My name is shameless, I'll tear you wide open"


  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    Scorchien said:


     But he doesnt even have the backbone or intestianl fortitude to do that , he would much rather take the weak approach of detract, blame ,excuses and or avoid ..
    It’s a common tactic of those that over promise on these Crowdfunding games and blame everyone but themselves.  Always a few who defend them as well. 
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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
    That’s a totally different topic.   One does not negate the other.

    I apologize in advance as I do try to not be rude if I can help it, but in this case I'm making an exception as your statement is just such absolute bullshit that I can't help myself.

    Let me explain. Person A. made a bunch of promises to create a game that People B. would like. He asked for People B. to give him money, no strings attached to make these dreams and promises come true. People B. threw thousands of dollars at him, based on nothing but some windy words. Person A. failed to deliver on said promises. Thereby making People B's donations worthless.

    Ok then, how am I supposed to demonize one participant and yet not the other? If I agree that Appleton is a Charlton that stole your money then I have to also admit you are a gullible fool for handing that money to him in the first place. Saying that Person A. is guilty of fraud but exempting People B. of gullible culpability means that there has been no actual crime committed. Unless Appleton came to all of your homes and took your money at gun point then you fools share an equal portion of the blame. Either own up to this or stop wasting our time with with your feckless whining.
    You seem to be mistaken. I never gave Appleton a cent.  

    This is is why I said “One does not negate the other”. Feel free to demonize both if you want.  You can certainly make the case that people who gave thousands of dollars to this guy should have known better. That doesn’t let the originator of this effort off the hook.  
    JamesGoblinStoneRosesKyleranMrMelGibson

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member EpicPosts: 2,656
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
    That’s a totally different topic.   One does not negate the other.

    I apologize in advance as I do try to not be rude if I can help it, but in this case I'm making an exception as your statement is just such absolute bullshit that I can't help myself.

    Let me explain. Person A. made a bunch of promises to create a game that People B. would like. He asked for People B. to give him money, no strings attached to make these dreams and promises come true. People B. threw thousands of dollars at him, based on nothing but some windy words. Person A. failed to deliver on said promises. Thereby making People B's donations worthless.

    Ok then, how am I supposed to demonize one participant and yet not the other? If I agree that Appleton is a Charlton that stole your money then I have to also admit you are a gullible fool for handing that money to him in the first place. Saying that Person A. is guilty of fraud but exempting People B. of gullible culpability means that there has been no actual crime committed. Unless Appleton came to all of your homes and took your money at gun point then you fools share an equal portion of the blame. Either own up to this or stop wasting our time with with your feckless whining.
    You seem to be mistaken. I never gave Appleton a cent.  

    This is is why I said “One does not negate the other”. Feel free to demonize both if you want.  You can certainly make the case that people who gave thousands of dollars to this guy should have known better. That doesn’t let the originator of this effort off the hook.  
    As a matter of fact it does let this guy off the hook. I feel it shouldn't but it still does. Person A. said "Hey give me some money and I'll try to give you guys some cool stuff." People B. gave the dude some money with no other contract or guarantees. Person A. failed to deliver said cool stuff. Which means People B. have no other recourse to the law and therefore are fucked. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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    My name is no one, no one is calling
    My name is ruin, my name is heartbreak
    My name is loving, but sorrows and darkness
    My name is ruin, my name is evil
    My name's a war song, I sing you a new one
    My name is ruin, my name is broken
    My name is shameless, I'll tear you wide open"


  • ScotScot Member EpicPosts: 8,946
    edited May 13
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.


    I don't think we can rope the whole of crowdfunding into this, and that's coming from someone too cautious to crowdfund anything.

    Appelton is a unique individual, his whole approach said "do not fund me" from a very early stage. I would advise posters to never have anything to do with one of his projects again.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,099
    The level that some people go to in order to defend these Crowdfunding people is astounding.  That ANYONE would want to defend Appleton is astounding.

    Is it defending Appleton when you deride overly eager morons for foolishly throwing money to something that sounded too good to be true?
    That’s a totally different topic.   One does not negate the other.

    I apologize in advance as I do try to not be rude if I can help it, but in this case I'm making an exception as your statement is just such absolute bullshit that I can't help myself.

    Let me explain. Person A. made a bunch of promises to create a game that People B. would like. He asked for People B. to give him money, no strings attached to make these dreams and promises come true. People B. threw thousands of dollars at him, based on nothing but some windy words. Person A. failed to deliver on said promises. Thereby making People B's donations worthless.

    Ok then, how am I supposed to demonize one participant and yet not the other? If I agree that Appleton is a Charlton that stole your money then I have to also admit you are a gullible fool for handing that money to him in the first place. Saying that Person A. is guilty of fraud but exempting People B. of gullible culpability means that there has been no actual crime committed. Unless Appleton came to all of your homes and took your money at gun point then you fools share an equal portion of the blame. Either own up to this or stop wasting our time with with your feckless whining.
    You seem to be mistaken. I never gave Appleton a cent.  

    This is is why I said “One does not negate the other”. Feel free to demonize both if you want.  You can certainly make the case that people who gave thousands of dollars to this guy should have known better. That doesn’t let the originator of this effort off the hook.  
    As a matter of fact it does let this guy off the hook. I feel it shouldn't but it still does. Person A. said "Hey give me some money and I'll try to give you guys some cool stuff." People B. gave the dude some money with no other contract or guarantees. Person A. failed to deliver said cool stuff. Which means People B. have no other recourse to the law and therefore are fucked. A fool and his money are soon parted.
    Again you are mistaken.  People may or may not have a legal recourse but they can certainly let any future investors in his Crypto Currency stuff know all about his track record.  Victim shaming with statements like “feckless whining” them serves no purpose other than to try and defend the original person behind this disaster.

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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