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How Crafting will differ in CoE, compared to more traditional MMOs

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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players

    i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking 

    ty for suggesting to do so
    Now getting back on topic, I also understood this as the recipes being able to be purchased in-game from NPCs or other Players, but if you can get some clarification Dleatherus that would be awesome. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players

    i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking 

    ty for suggesting to do so
    Well the only question is whether you might buy them post launch.  We know you can buy them for real money from now through the 3 month no wipe Headstart. We know this because they are listed as items you can buy in Caspien’s post:  https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19128/ep-kits-and-item-projection

    And dont forget about being able to buy Technology Upgrade Kits:
    Techology Kits: 5,000 EP
    Each biome has a specific set of resources, and specific needs. However, within each biome there is often more than one way to solve a problem and the technology kits offer the additional of universities and schools to help foster learning in specific areas, as well as the introduction of specific technologies into the kingdom which may help solve problems in new ways. Technology kits will include the buildings for schools, as well as the patterns and techniques for advanced technology. Individual EP ranges from several hundreds to a thousand for the colleges and universities, to 100+ EP for the patterns and techniques, depending on level of advancement.
    The part you left out this time Slapshot is these kits can only be purchased by Kings or Dukes. So no not just anyone can buy them during the world building phase (exposition). They are intended to be implemented in the purchaser's region for the use of all those that enter into that region, not only one single player. 

    https://chroniclesofelyria.gamepedia.com/Schools
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/blog/1109/DJ-13-Technology-Research

    Schools in Chronicles of Elyria represent a collection or group of people dedicated to the furthering of education, research, and technology. Organizational structure and funding incorporates membership fees from some students who are required to pay for access to school resources, as well as grant funding from the Kingdom, Duchy, County, or Settlement they reside in.

    Advantages

    Being part of a school gives members increased and rapid opportunity for learning, which comes in the form of consolidated access to different skill trainers (or teachers) and specialized research tools.

    When a new technology is discovered, all students immediately gain access to the new knowledge where in other organizations like guilds, the new technology would be patented and could be sold to others.

    Disadvantages

    Since schools share technological developments any new technology discovered within the school is freely available to anyone.

    Research

    Schools function as academic institutions that forego production and profit for research and development. Schools also allow for the safer study of new technologies through specialized tools. As such, members of the school share research, which greatly increases the change of new discoveries. Indeed, compared to guilds, schools do not pursue patents for their discovered technology, making it available for public use immediately.

    The part YOU left out is that: 
    The kits will provide a 20% discount compared to items bought a la carte, however everything available in the kits should be available a la carte.

    Not sure what the point of your post was...

    There is no question that you can buy all these things during the 3 month no-wipe head start.  The only question is whether they will sell any items other than sparks and souls post launch.  Previously it was quite clear that NO they wouldn't.  Recent quotes seem to indicate that Caspien is open to selling items (at least cosmetics) that can be found or made in game.  Hopefully Dleatherus can get clarification on that and if it would possibly extend to things like patterns and techniques for crafting.


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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    @Slapshot If you wish to debate Exposition once again and the fact that there is absolutely no EP store at this time. If you read the title of that thread, it is just a projection of what -might- be in the EP Store. Then please start another thread. This thread is in regard to the Crafting system in Elyria. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    @Slapshot If you wish to debate Exposition once again and the fact that there is absolutely no EP store at this time. If you read the title of that thread, it is just a projection of what -might- be in the EP Store. Then please start another thread. This thread is in regard to the Crafting system in Elyria. 
    Simply responding to others.  As you responded to me.  Whether you can buy these crafting techniques or can only get them in game is very relevant to the discussion. The techniques and recipes have a significant impact on the system.  You yourself post a quote from a developer where he discusses how you obtain them.  You can’t post this quote:

    So, want a Katana? Get yourself a recipe for a curved single edged blade with a hidden tang, a recipe for the handle wrap, and one for the guard and then assemble them into a katana. As for how you get recipes: Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.
    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/472781/how-crafting-will-differ-in-coe-compared-to-more-traditional-mmos/p5#6Ud8xUExXgZxqqfY.99

    And then complain when when we discuss it.  It’s your own damn post.  

    Have a great day.
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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.

    Once again the key words in this quote is "In the World". It doesn't say anything about Expo or EP. :)
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.

    Once again the key words in this quote is "In the World". It doesn't say anything about Expo or EP. :)
    But we KNOW you can buy them in the headstart.  Hopefully @Dleatherus will get final, unambiguous clarification for us :)
     

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  • DleatherusDleatherus Member UncommonPosts: 168
    @Slapshot If you wish to debate Exposition once again and the fact that there is absolutely no EP store at this time. If you read the title of that thread, it is just a projection of what -might- be in the EP Store. Then please start another thread. This thread is in regard to the Crafting system in Elyria. 
    Simply responding to others.  As you responded to me.  Whether you can buy these crafting techniques or can only get them in game is very relevant to the discussion. The techniques and recipes have a significant impact on the system.  You yourself post a quote from a developer where he discusses how you obtain them.  You can’t post this quote:

    So, want a Katana? Get yourself a recipe for a curved single edged blade with a hidden tang, a recipe for the handle wrap, and one for the guard and then assemble them into a katana. As for how you get recipes: Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.
    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/472781/how-crafting-will-differ-in-coe-compared-to-more-traditional-mmos/p5#6Ud8xUExXgZxqqfY.99

    And then complain when when we discuss it.  It’s your own damn post.  

    Have a great day.
    nah - i said i would ask Serpentius

    you clearly try to steer the convo back to the same old topics of pay to win, cash shop after launch, broken timelines at every opportunity and in every thread you can

    weaving it into every topic stating 'oh it's related' is just getting monotonous - but hey, if that's how you like to portray yourself it's all good

    thought you were better than that - ah well


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    @Slapshot If you wish to debate Exposition once again and the fact that there is absolutely no EP store at this time. If you read the title of that thread, it is just a projection of what -might- be in the EP Store. Then please start another thread. This thread is in regard to the Crafting system in Elyria. 
    Simply responding to others.  As you responded to me.  Whether you can buy these crafting techniques or can only get them in game is very relevant to the discussion. The techniques and recipes have a significant impact on the system.  You yourself post a quote from a developer where he discusses how you obtain them.  You can’t post this quote:

    So, want a Katana? Get yourself a recipe for a curved single edged blade with a hidden tang, a recipe for the handle wrap, and one for the guard and then assemble them into a katana. As for how you get recipes: Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.
    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/472781/how-crafting-will-differ-in-coe-compared-to-more-traditional-mmos/p5#6Ud8xUExXgZxqqfY.99

    And then complain when when we discuss it.  It’s your own damn post.  

    Have a great day.
    nah - i said i would ask Serpentius

    you clearly try to steer the convo back to the same old topics of pay to win, cash shop after launch, broken timelines at every opportunity and in every thread you can

    weaving it into every topic stating 'oh it's related' is just getting monotonous - but hey, if that's how you like to portray yourself it's all good

    thought you were better than that - ah well


    You said you were "interviewing Sniperhunter, the author of the dev journal" on April 12th"

    also, i will be interviewing Snipehunter, the author of the dev journal this thread was created in response to, next thursday april 12th and raise some of these questions as well as some of the concerns - feel free to watch :P
    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/472781/how-crafting-will-differ-in-coe-compared-to-more-traditional-mmos/p4#3crXoZfYidqh8xyC.99

    And you would ask some of these questions.   So.. my expectation was that you would do so.


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  • DleatherusDleatherus Member UncommonPosts: 168
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    yeah - It clearly was meant to be Snipehunter in my comment, not Serpentius

    ty for pointing that out in case anybody thought i was lying or twisting things

    as for expectations as to what i would ask, i made it clear i thought you made one valid point that in my opinion merited asking, and that was to ask for clarification as to when they said recipes can be purchased, if that meant during expo, from npc's, from players. or from a post launch cash shop
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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 552
    I must say I think the attacking of slapshot then wasn't warranted, I brought up a legitimate concern about the purchase of recipes, and he responded with a reply.

    His reply (if I understand it correct) was,

    they are able to be purchased during expo, so the question is will the be available after expo.

    Whilst he may have mentioned this before it's still a valid point in response to my concern. Just the same as your points regarding your understanding about them being purchased from NPCs were relevant.

    In my opinion this needs clarifying in the Q&A that @Dleatherus will be having just so we can either confirm or rule out p2w on the recipe topic.
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  • DleatherusDleatherus Member UncommonPosts: 168
    edited April 2018
    it's not so much of an attack as stating my position clearly

    we have gone from me stating that i would be more than happy to ask one of his questions regarding whether recipes would be for sale in an after-launch cash shop to Slapshot now implying that i would be answering many of the questions he has posed




    for the record i am NOT going to be asking if there will be a cash shop after launch selling cosmetic items, and if that extends to things like patterns and techniques for crafting

    i will be asking the question as i stated a couple of posts earlier:




    these are subtle things but i want to make it clear since in the past some of my words have been taken out of context, and I don't want to have the situation twisted to "D said he would ask if there was going to be a cash shop after launch, and he should have pressed that point as he agreed to"

    Slapshot always brings the topic back to those points of missed deadlines, cash shop, pay to win etc and i'm not going to further his agenda in our interview - he's more than welcome to set up his own interviews, ask the questions in the twitch text chat as i suggested etc
  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 552
    it's not so much of an attack as stating my position clearly

    we have gone from me stating that i would be more than happy to ask one of his questions regarding whether recipes would be for sale in an after-launch cash shop to Slapshot now implying that i would be answering many of the questions he has posed




    for the record i am NOT going to be asking if there will be a cash shop after launch selling cosmetic items, and if that extends to things like patterns and techniques for crafting

    i will be asking the question as i stated a couple of posts earlier:




    these are subtle things but i want to make it clear since in the past some of my words have been taken out of context, and I don't want to have the situation twisted to "D said he would ask if there was going to be a cash shop after launch, and he should have pressed that point as he agreed to"

    Slapshot always brings the topic back to those points of missed deadlines, cash shop, pay to win etc and i'm not going to further his agenda in our interview - he's more than welcome to set up his own interviews, ask the questions in the twitch text chat as i suggested etc
    Was more talking to mystichase and I understood that as the question you were going to ask
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    AnOldFart said:
    I must say I think the attacking of slapshot then wasn't warranted, I brought up a legitimate concern about the purchase of recipes, and he responded with a reply.

    His reply (if I understand it correct) was,

    they are able to be purchased during expo, so the question is will the be available after expo.

    Whilst he may have mentioned this before it's still a valid point in response to my concern. Just the same as your points regarding your understanding about them being purchased from NPCs were relevant.

    In my opinion this needs clarifying in the Q&A that @Dleatherus will be having just so we can either confirm or rule out p2w on the recipe topic.
    Thank you. 




    for the record i am NOT going to be asking if there will be a cash shop after launch selling cosmetic items, and if that extends to things like patterns and techniques for crafting


    Why wouldn’t you simply ask if, as originally stated they will only sell Sparks and SoulPacks at launch? That would clear up all ambiguity.  An answer of Yes... would mean no selling of recipes, patterns, no cosmetics, no swords,  etc... And no the ambiguity wasn’t introduced by Slapshot but by the developer.

    If you do not know the answer to that... why in the world would you not ask when you had the opportunity?  The answer has huge implications for the crafting system being discussed... and all the other aspects of the game.


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  • DleatherusDleatherus Member UncommonPosts: 168
    yeah - i was addressing the bit where Slapshot's shift was to:

    "Recent quotes seem to indicate that Caspien is open to selling items (at least cosmetics) that can be found or made in game.  Hopefully Dleatherus can get clarification on that and if it would possibly extend to things like patterns and techniques for crafting."

    the implication is that i'm going to be addressing the question of an afterlaunch cash shop, and then if it would possibly extend to things like patterns and techniques for crafting vs. my being specific as to clarification as to what is meant by the term 'purchased' as it pertains to the comment of "Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world."


  • DleatherusDleatherus Member UncommonPosts: 168
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    Why wouldn’t you simply ask if, as originally stated they will only sell Sparks and SoulPacks at launch? That would clear up all ambiguity.  An answer of Yes... would mean no selling of recipes, patterns, no cosmetics, no swords,  etc... And no the ambiguity wasn’t introduced by Slapshot but by the developer.

    If you do not know the answer to that... why in the world would you not ask when you had the opportunity?  The answer has huge implications for the crafting system being discussed... and all the other aspects of the game.


    because my agenda in this interview is to ask questions regarding the crafting model, not their financial model.

    asking whether they intend to sell recipes in a cash shop after launch, or whether 'purchased in world' means what most of us thought in terms of from npc's and/or other players satisfies the criteria as it pertains to crafting

    if i do an interview regarding their financial model, i'll be sure to ask the question in a broader fashion
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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    edited April 2018
    AnOldFart said:
    it's not so much of an attack as stating my position clearly

    we have gone from me stating that i would be more than happy to ask one of his questions regarding whether recipes would be for sale in an after-launch cash shop to Slapshot now implying that i would be answering many of the questions he has posed




    for the record i am NOT going to be asking if there will be a cash shop after launch selling cosmetic items, and if that extends to things like patterns and techniques for crafting

    i will be asking the question as i stated a couple of posts earlier:




    these are subtle things but i want to make it clear since in the past some of my words have been taken out of context, and I don't want to have the situation twisted to "D said he would ask if there was going to be a cash shop after launch, and he should have pressed that point as he agreed to"

    Slapshot always brings the topic back to those points of missed deadlines, cash shop, pay to win etc and i'm not going to further his agenda in our interview - he's more than welcome to set up his own interviews, ask the questions in the twitch text chat as i suggested etc
    Was more talking to mystichase and I understood that as the question you were going to ask
    Then let me respond. The three-month building stage and the EP shop is brought up by Slapshot in every single thread (Referred to as a three-month head start and pay to win shop). It has been debated repeatedly, and the only thing resulting from it is that there is a huge difference of opinion as to what it really is. This behavior is so predictable that I can foresee exactly when Slap is going to bring it up. This thread wasn't created to be a repeat of the same arguments, but rather the intended mechanics of the Crafting System and I would rather it stay that way.

    I do feel that in what Snipehunter said he was referring to items being found, purchased or learned in-game, however... 

    If you want to know my feelings about recipes being purchasable? From what we know there won't be cash-shop after launch. (It has never been confirmed differently) All that was ever said on the matter was Caspian stating it would be possible to sell cosmetics in a store. But if there was an after-launch store, and it sold purchasable recipes that weren't available in-game, then yes, I would definitely consider that a pay to win feature and would be highly opposed to it. 

    It has been stated by Caspian, as you can see by the thread that Slapshot posted that there might be a variety of recipes available in the EP store. (It is my understanding that EP can only be used by Bloodline and above, but Dheatherus can correct me if I am wrong) Now the reason I don't consider this a pay to win feature is that the EP store is available for backers to seed the world with a variety of different things and provide the allusion of Elyria being an old, established world once the game launches. (I do not want a repeat debate as in if the EP store is pay to build or pay to win so let's not go there).

    Now when you think about recipes being available for merchants and crafters post-launch, you also need to consider that it has been stated that in order to advance in your Crafting skills you will have to spend a certain amount of time teaching/apprenticing other players in your craft. By SBS seeding the world and their post-launch players with some current recipes it offers something that can be taught to new, younger characters coming in. So that once the backer's Characters start dying off of old age, or careless lives, then there will be a new Generation of characters with the skills to step in and assume those roles. 

    I hope that helps to clear up my responses Oldfart. I just don't want to have the same argument that I have endured several times in the threads posted here. 


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204

    Then let me respond. The three-month building stage and the EP shop is brought up by Slapshot in every single thread here. 


    Typical exaggeration.  Not even close.  Only when it's pertinent IMHO to the topic at hand.  In this case it has been explained to you why it was pertinent.  It directly relates to the developer quote that YOU posted.   How the recipes are obtained is clearly a topic related to the crafting dev diary and thus the developer responded to it.  His response (in your very post) prompted OldFart to question the part about buying them.

    If Dleatherus gets clarification then we will know whether or not the ability to purchase recipes for cash extends beyond the 3 month head start or not.  Then this will not be asked again... unless it is reopened by a future developer comment.  If we get clarity that NOTHING (except souls and sparks) will be sold in the shop after launch, then that would be even better and head off future questions.


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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 552
    I believe you two won't agree on much lol but hey that's life we don't all have to agree right.

    So we have all said why we think it was or wasn't pertinent to the conversation so let's get back on track.

    I hope snipehunter confirms that it will only be npc's/pc's to purchase the recipes from.
    I wonder what other questions will be asked.
    I'm looking forward to hearing more about this crafting system
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    Why wouldn’t you simply ask if, as originally stated they will only sell Sparks and SoulPacks at launch? That would clear up all ambiguity.  An answer of Yes... would mean no selling of recipes, patterns, no cosmetics, no swords,  etc... And no the ambiguity wasn’t introduced by Slapshot but by the developer.

    If you do not know the answer to that... why in the world would you not ask when you had the opportunity?  The answer has huge implications for the crafting system being discussed... and all the other aspects of the game.


    because my agenda in this interview is to ask questions regarding the crafting model, not their financial model.

    asking whether they intend to sell recipes in a cash shop after launch, or whether 'purchased in world' means what most of us thought in terms of from npc's and/or other players satisfies the criteria as it pertains to crafting

    if i do an interview regarding their financial model, i'll be sure to ask the question in a broader fashion
    Actually, if Bill and the gang here are any indication, asking about the manner in which things like recipes are attained by players is as much about the crafting system as the monetization, though it may be both.  It would be a natural question to ask in an interview about a crafting system.
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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    edited April 2018
    I am just curious if there are any other questions that folks would like to have asked? Of course, it isn't my show, nor is there a guarantee they would be asked. But it might give Dheatherus some ideas for the interview. 

    For me, I am curious what the process of skill advancement might look like in CoE. For example, when and what would the process of transitioning from apprenticeship to teaching to experimenting with new technology look like? *Hopes that makes sense*


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
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    I am just curious if there are any other questions that folks would like to have asked? Of course, it isn't my show, nor is there a guarantee they would be asked. But it might give Dheatherus some ideas for the interview. 

    For me, I am curious what the process of skill advancement might look like in CoE. For example, when and what would the process of transitioning from apprenticeship to teaching to experimenting with new technology look like? *Hopes that makes sense*


    1. As previously stated- Can you buy recipes and techniques for cash after launch
    2. If people "discover" something that you haven't put in the game yet, what will happen? (regarding this quote: the idea is that through research you can "inform" us of the new content we need to create, sorta. )
    3. What skills are planned to have this system?  Is it all crafting?
    4. Will all those planned be implemented at launch or will there be placeholder systems?
    5. How will the gathering be balanced against the crafting?  Typical gatherers grab tons of stuff (ie, the wagon/carts in the store) and then head back to town.  That level of resources seem to be far more than would be needed in most cases.  (It's been stated that no grinding will be needed and you can breakdown and reuse items).  How long would a wagon load of ore take a typical blacksmith to deplete?
    6. (edit to add) How long would it take a competent smith to craft a full set of plate armor from scratch? (assuming he met the basic knowledge requirement)
    7. Will the visual and audio clues account for those with disabilities such as color blindness or hearing loss?  ie: Will there be text related to the audio clues that those folks can use? 
    8. Will there be some fatigue factor to crafting?  
    9. Will crafting be multiplayer oriented.  By that I mean, can one person man the bellows of the forge while another holds the ore in the heat... etc... etc...  If so will the visual and audio clues be lenient enough to allow for latency?
    10. Will character stats affect crafting?  ex: If I am stronger would I get a bonus to smithing?
    11. Will these visual clues be tested in Minecraft Elyria?
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,754
    I am just curious if there are any other questions that folks would like to have asked? Of course, it isn't my show, nor is there a guarantee they would be asked. But it might give Dheatherus some ideas for the interview. 

    For me, I am curious what the process of skill advancement might look like in CoE. For example, when and what would the process of transitioning from apprenticeship to teaching to experimenting with new technology look like? *Hopes that makes sense*


    I had a lot of questions on page 3.  But the most telling might be 'Will a single player be able to learn every possible craft?'  Some players will have far more time to spend on this game than others, and won't be fazed by extravagant learning penalties.  Every other game without explicit barriers to 'do anything for yourself' has always had characters that do exactly that -- craft anything they personally need themselves.  That kills any independence and interdependence which may exist between crafts, hurts any economy based on crafted goods, and reduces player-to-player interaction.

    It's a relatively deep yes or no question, but I would very much expect anything but a yes or no answer.  At best, an answer from these developers is likely to be couched in vagueness and a lot of double speak.  That speaks of uncertainty in design, a plan that hasn't been thought out yet.  That's seems to be a huge issue with this game; there has been very little that can be taken as a hard fact, or worded in such a way that leaves a great deal to individual interpretation.

    A large number of the disagreements that have occurred in this very thread seem to derive from the vagueness of statements by this developer.  Those that believe the developer's statements at face value take issue with anyone that has difficulty in accepting the same statements without some degree of skepticism.  Basically, this entire thread is divided along 'believers' and 'skeptics' lines.




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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,204
    Mendel said:
    I am just curious if there are any other questions that folks would like to have asked? Of course, it isn't my show, nor is there a guarantee they would be asked. But it might give Dheatherus some ideas for the interview. 

    For me, I am curious what the process of skill advancement might look like in CoE. For example, when and what would the process of transitioning from apprenticeship to teaching to experimenting with new technology look like? *Hopes that makes sense*


    I had a lot of questions on page 3.  But the most telling might be 'Will a single player be able to learn every possible craft?'  Some players will have far more time to spend on this game than others, and won't be fazed by extravagant learning penalties.  Every other game without explicit barriers to 'do anything for yourself' has always had characters that do exactly that -- craft anything they personally need themselves.  That kills any independence and interdependence which may exist between crafts, hurts any economy based on crafted goods, and reduces player-to-player interaction.

    It's a relatively deep yes or no question, but I would very much expect anything but a yes or no answer.  At best, an answer from these developers is likely to be couched in vagueness and a lot of double speak.  That speaks of uncertainty in design, a plan that hasn't been thought out yet.  That's seems to be a huge issue with this game; there has been very little that can be taken as a hard fact, or worded in such a way that leaves a great deal to individual interpretation.

    A large number of the disagreements that have occurred in this very thread seem to derive from the vagueness of statements by this developer.  Those that believe the developer's statements at face value take issue with anyone that has difficulty in accepting the same statements without some degree of skepticism.  Basically, this entire thread is divided along 'believers' and 'skeptics' lines.




    Regarding the first part:  Technically you can try to work on anything you want, but you only gain skill in what you use. You age and die and then get a skill ramp to relearn those skills faster.  So I think in practice it would be impossible to be "good" at more than a few things.

    Regarding the last part:  Until there is something tangible to see and play with, it will always come down to believers and realists.

    Someday there will be an actual game and then there will be no more discussions about what might happen. Until then it provides plenty of fodder to keep the forums flowing.
     

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  • mystichazemystichaze Member UncommonPosts: 378
    I am pretty sure Mendel that the answer to your question would be No, one character will not be able to be a Master crafter in everything, for all the reasons you gave in your post.  I know this has been discussed before in the community but I just can't recall where I have seen it. I will have a look after supper. :)
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I will post ONE word Mendel and i hope you and others "get it".>>>ALTS
    This OLD way of thinking was NEVER correct,did not make sense and was NEVER limiting anything.
    I can point to even another limitation used by SOE and of course Wow that copied SOE,the idea of limiting drops to sole user and group.Well all players did to nullify that was sit on item,yell in chat until someone came to get it and purchase it.

    This kind of stuff happens because devs have no hindsight or common sense to see beyond their lines of code.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

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