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This is what kills PC gaming and mmo’s

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,414
    Just watch the many quality comparisons videos for the games running on both consoles and PCs. There's no ifs, no buts, a PC is just better. More expensive? At first investment yes, and then if you're smart you do the upgrades yourself and you just change the weakest part.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 13,850
    I see no issue with PC's being more expensive than consoles, they are better at gaming, web surfing, word processing, you name it they are better at it. So you are going to pay more, that's what happens in life is you want the best. :)
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,806
    Maybe its just me but console gaming always feels inferior to PC gaming....The quality of the games, graphics, everything.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,585
    Maybe its just me but console gaming always feels inferior to PC gaming....The quality of the games, graphics, everything.
    I think it's just what you decide to play. If it's cross platform with PC, and it allows the PC to take advantage of higher graphic options and better frame rates, then yes it is inferior. But if it's an exclusive like Horizon Zero Dawn or The Last of Us, then I would say it's superior to similar styles of games on PC.
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,070
    Maybe its just me but console gaming always feels inferior to PC gaming....The quality of the games, graphics, everything.
    For me, it's the controller.




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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,738
    I have owned both a PC and a console for many years. Upgrading either as the time to do so and the available cash allowed. I found, at that time, that having both was a good idea because SOME games I wanted to play were only on one machine. Today however, you can get the games on both machines and having more then one just does not make as much sense. I personally decided that I would get rid of my console and go exclusively PC because now the advantage was the mouse and keyboard PLUS the variety of other equipment like joysticks and such was so superior. And while I may pay more for my PC, I feel it is far advanced to the latest console which is stuck at whatever  level of tech it was shipped with. I am not dissing consoles, just that is my choice. There is room for both but it just has to be what YOU choose.

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    Maybe its just me but console gaming always feels inferior to PC gaming....The quality of the games, graphics, everything.
    I think it's just what you decide to play. If it's cross platform with PC, and it allows the PC to take advantage of higher graphic options and better frame rates, then yes it is inferior. But if it's an exclusive like Horizon Zero Dawn or The Last of Us, then I would say it's superior to similar styles of games on PC.
    I don't believe those games, the Uncharted Series, Bloodborne, Cathine, Persona, etc. are good games because they are made on PS4.  They just happen to have good stories.  The same games could be made graphically better on PC and still have the same good story.  You could play them through PSN streaming or possible through a PS3 emulator if you own the game.
  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,116
    Hardware and functionality-wise, it's a nuisance to want to play certain titles locked to different systems knowing you have to grab a dedicated piece of hardware to use it that has few ulterior purposes. 

    Still not well supported, but I appreciate that Microsoft has moved the direction of their Play Anywhere feature with some newer titles, since that mostly means I can go back to consolidating things onto fewer platforms.

    PC definitely will remain the centerpiece for me because of that, but it would be nice if other market forces wouldn't be so impactful on some of the costs.
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    PCs never really been the low budget solution for gamers. The best stuff cost money and that is how it always been.

    There were more casual gamers 15 years ago when everyone got a computer to get access to the internet but today many people just use their phones or a Pad 1and it does affect the gaming market somewhat.

    It wont kill it but the PC market do seems to get a bit more like it was in the 90s again with mainly gamers owning one. I don't think that is such a bad thing, games got a bit too casual for my taste in the middle 00s when it cateered to people that didn't usually game but taste differs. 
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825
    As a specialist myself, I will tell you...
    You paid way too much for that build...
    Also, European Regulation on Computer Parts follow a different suit and are usually more expensive. 

    Also, Consoles get expensive...
    In my line of work, parents always explain to me how much consoles cost.

    They tell me that they want the TV for themselves and not want to always push their children off their own TV or fight with them when they get home, so they are willing to spend $300 - $450 on a Console. They then spend money on 3 games and extra controllers which the average game is around $60 these days for a triple AAA title and Controllers can be $30 - $50 depending on the controller...

    They also buy them a TV for $200 - $400 because the child complains about wanting something that will make the game look good...

    Then comes the real money maker for consoles...
    Children always begging their parents for whatever new game comes out every few weeks or months and if the parents havent spent money on a new game... or bribed their children into behaving to get a new game later...Relax!

    A lot of these games have DLCs to make a half-finished game more complete, and of course the gamers always want every DLC to their favorite game. 

    Lets not forget the premium one pays for buying a half-ass translated Japanese video game along with the censorship that comes with it.

    Then it gets even better when you are told that for them to play their old games on consoles they have to subscribe to a service to stream games across the internet, so now you have a stronger internet connection so they could continue playing their old games that you bought for them during the previous iteration. 

    ...and this is before we start talking about power consumption and the cost of electricity and the side effects children get from using these consoles too. Not talking about the whole "Violence in Video Games" crap, but the whole thing that now they sit in a room for hours refusing to do their homework because they rather play GTA V or the latest CoD game and write about it in their daily journals to their sixth grade class. 

    Just to realize a lot of these games come out on STEAM 1 - 2 years later, with all the DLC with it and after a patch or two.. tend to look better and operate better than the console version. I stopped playing consoles because the last one I bought, nearly 90% of my library eventually was released on STEAM and I felt betrayed. So much for Exclusivity. 

    Sure I may sound like a punk is defending exclusive titles...
    But if a game title is going to be released on every console + PC, 
    then I rather own PC if I can at least upgrade part of it without having to replace the whole system...

    or pay for the same game over and over again. 
    I am a final fantasy player and I remember buying FF IV and VI multiple times on handhelds, and different consoles due to even tablets due to games being phased out, while on PC I can still play DOOM 1 and have fun doing it without being told that since I run on Windows 10 that i must buy a new version at normal market value of the same 15 - 20 year old game....

    I paid a lot for my PC, which I built
    but for 5+ years on SLI....
    The system has put me through every game out there and I've seen the performance.
    and it still works for all the other heavy work in my primary fields that I do as well. 

    and I would gladly pay the same again if it meant not being held hostage by developers and the hardware manufactures simply from owning a console. 
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,806
    Mendel said:
    Maybe its just me but console gaming always feels inferior to PC gaming....The quality of the games, graphics, everything.
    For me, it's the controller.



    Yes I have the same issues, it jsut feels a little clumsy in my hands and doesnt quite fit right.

  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,211
    I'm in Europe, believe me the prices here are the same like that in US, except in few countries like UK and Greece - the first will leave soon the second is in EU by accidence. Actually in some places without VAT the PCs are even cheaper.
  • DvoraDvora Member UncommonPosts: 499
    i fried my alienwares graphics card, so i decided to replace it with a gaming desktop.. nothing fancy, just a system to game on 1080p

    ryzen 5k, 16GB, GTX 1060, 500Gb SSD..
    costing me a whopping €1400
    just the PC, witouth monitor, keys, mouse, extra storage etc etc..
    i feel ripped

    no wonder that everyone sticks to consoles, and controllers..  and MMOs designed for controllers just cant keep up with MMOs designed for keys and mouse..
    Sorry but you did not shop around at all...  could have easily gotten a much better system: i7 7700 k w/ 1070, and other hardware same as you got for about 1000 USD.  Since you bought alienware last time I'd say you still don't know where to shop.  Try Newegg next time or something, and actually compare systems.  You kinda got spanked :(
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Dvora said:
    i fried my alienwares graphics card, so i decided to replace it with a gaming desktop.. nothing fancy, just a system to game on 1080p

    ryzen 5k, 16GB, GTX 1060, 500Gb SSD..
    costing me a whopping €1400
    just the PC, witouth monitor, keys, mouse, extra storage etc etc..
    i feel ripped

    no wonder that everyone sticks to consoles, and controllers..  and MMOs designed for controllers just cant keep up with MMOs designed for keys and mouse..
    Sorry but you did not shop around at all...  could have easily gotten a much better system: i7 7700 k w/ 1070, and other hardware same as you got for about 1000 USD.  Since you bought alienware last time I'd say you still don't know where to shop.  Try Newegg next time or something, and actually compare systems.  You kinda got spanked :(
    But then i recognise quallity..

    the new system got a design cabinet, itx formar
    gaming ITX mainboard, which is quite expensive..
    high quallity modular power supply
    X version CPU with scythe mugen cooler
    high quallity brand memmory
    samsung evo m2 ssd


    the problem is mainly high end GPU (1060 and up) being near to impossible to get.. they all get bought by crypto miners..   i payed 400 euro alone for the 1060..

    anyway... even €1000 would be three times as much as a console..

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,414
    edited March 2018
    Gorwe said:
    Uhm, how do I put this... You can go to a restaurant and have a decent cut of steak and be completely satisfied or you can go and spend ten times the amount for Kobe beef, which at the end of the day, frankly isn't all that impressive. You my friend just bought some Kobe beef. While such a gaming rig is dash impressive, its hardly needed to play the majority of high end games. And any high end games it is needed for aren't better in any way, just poorly optimized.
    A lot of junk code around too. WoW was famously caught red handed while backfilling the Shadow Shaders with junk code. The only literal difference between "Extreme" and "High" shadows was that junk code which only hogged your system down. Was around Cataclysm or WoTLK, can't remember. Be as it may, be careful of improptu Kobe beef. Maybe it's not from Kobé, but from friendly neighborhood Kobe.


    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that neither does the ability to write.
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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    But then i recognise quallity..

    the new system got a design cabinet, itx formar
    gaming ITX mainboard, which is quite expensive..
    high quallity modular power supply
    X version CPU with scythe mugen cooler
    high quallity brand memmory
    samsung evo m2 ssd


    the problem is mainly high end GPU (1060 and up) being near to impossible to get.. they all get bought by crypto miners..   i payed 400 euro alone for the 1060..

    anyway... even €1000 would be three times as much as a console..
    Seriously? I paid 500 Euro for my 1080... 

    Anyways, it is true that PC games becomes more hardware heavy now but that is just the logical solution, PCs can't beat consoles on price but it can beat them in quality. If you continue to make too many  games you can run on any machine and low end PC people will just play them on consoles anyways.

    There is however such a thing as going too far, and 16 gigs as recommended Ram might be a couple of years too early unless you make a VR game (which cateers to hardware fanatics anyways at the moment). 8 is fine, even in cases where 4 gigs can't really run the game playable but 8 gigs should still be enough for anything besides maybe the high end FPS games.
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