I don't think he has any kind of speech problem and I certainly wouldn't be laughing at him if I did think that was the case.
What is funny is how its a whole load of words but very little detail, it comes across like it is being made up on the fly, it comes across like he has no real idea what he is on about in comparison to people who do know what they are talking about.
Really? If it wasn't clear enough, he has a speeching problem, even if it is just his accent with the speed he speaks he doesn't seem to be able to control it well at all. I know people that are like that.
It's amazing how it always gets manipulated that to make attacks on him "He doesn't know what he is talking about.", it's like saying he never knew what he spoke about because he always spoke in such a manner with ups and downs.
Everything must be weaponized when the topic is SC, either that is the way a developer speaks, even their facial expressions. Desperate, petty and sad is what I think of it.
Verbal diahorrea / lack of clarity is not a speech problem, it's not like it's a stammer or a stutter or mispronunciation due to deafness etc. Trying to make it sound like people are laughing at a disability is scraping the barrel in whiteknighting for CIG.
Let's drop the hyperbole, despite what you claim this is not manipulation This is Erin presenting his answers in a way that comes across as questionable which contrasts with his position within the company, that's the entertainment value for me.
The only thing that is desperate, sad and petty is trying to turn this transcript into something far more than it is.
Verbal diahorrea / lack of clarity is not a speech problem, it's not like it's a stammer or a stutter or mispronunciation due to deafness etc. Trying to make it sound like people are laughing at a disability is scraping the barrel in whiteknighting for CIG.
Let's drop the hyperbole, despite what you claim this is not manipulation This is Erin presenting his answers in a way that comes across as questionable which contrasts with his position within the company, that's the entertainment value for me.
The only thing that is desperate, sad and petty is trying to turn this transcript into something far more than it is.
When I said speech problem I meant things like that (though he does stammer), not a proper disorder, so not how you understood it then.
I'm pretty sure you have heard Erin having this same issue for years on shows, and this was why he was rarely ever on shows but the community asked to have more of him, and so it happened. One would easily say he butchers the answer like that because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but after seeing him on footage for years he faces that problem in normal speech, I only see it more or less intensive at times.
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
I'm pretty sure you have heard Erin having this same issue for years on shows, and this was why he was rarely ever on shows but the community asked to have more of him, and so it happened. One would easily say he butchers the answer like that because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but after seeing him on footage for years he faces that problem in normal speech, I only see it more or less intensive at times.
If you're at the forefront of a company in designing how a game will be made and how various things will be implemented you would expect that person to be able to convey it in a reasonably definite manner, not some wishy washy, competely non-commital, "I don't know what the frak I am talking about" manner. That's what I find amusing about it.
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
rpmcmurphy said: If you're at the forefront of a company in designing how a game will be made and how various things will be implemented you would expect that person to be able to convey it in a reasonably definite manner, not some wishy washy, competely non-commital, "I don't know what the frak I am talking about" manner. That's what I find amusing about it.
You're not the PR person, you're not the face so you shouldn't feel that pressure, aside of that, the SC community is never going to jump over someone because of that issue.
The non-committal approach is wide to the company now, and thankfully so, they aren't giving guarantees on answers and things are way more disclaimed now, so expectations should be set accordingly. Better than pitch-forks and torches "HE LIED BURN HIM!!!" type of situation.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
My brother was born with a severe hearing loss which obviously affects his speech, so anyone leaping to assumptions that I (or anyone else for that matter) are making fun of a disability can fuck right off.
I would much prefer if people asked what is amusing instead of ascribing words/actions/thoughts to other people out of pure ignorancy.
You're not the PR person, you're not the face so you shouldn't feel that pressure, aside of that, the SC community is never going to jump over someone because of that issue.
The non-committal approach is wide to the company now, and thankfully so, they aren't giving guarantees on answers and things are way more disclaimed now, so expectations should be set accordingly. Better than pitch-forks and torches "HE LIED BURN HIM!!!" type of situation.
All I know is that when I've watched Frontier's livestreams, which features people not normally in front of the camera they do a decent job in talking about the shit they do know, whether that's game mechanics, game design or whatever. I certainly expect the same from someone like Erin, part of his job is to be on point.
All I know is that when I've watched Frontier's livestreams, which features people not normally in front of the camera they do a decent job in talking about the shit they do know, whether that's game mechanics, game design or whatever. I certainly expect the same from someone like Erin, part of his job is to be on point.
By never telling anything until the things are literally almost done. In the case of SC is the opposite they opened up the design of the game on everything that is planned, what we may do, or would like to do, all that from the start, different scenarios.
As for your last bit, Erin can be all on point, but managing the production globally of +450 people in 5 studios I would bet nobody can be fully on track with everything and every plan/design to be able to answer on-spot questions about future plans that smoothly.
All I know is that when I've watched Frontier's livestreams, which features people not normally in front of the camera they do a decent job in talking about the shit they do know, whether that's game mechanics, game design or whatever. I certainly expect the same from someone like Erin, part of his job is to be on point.
By never telling anything until the things are literally almost done. In the case of SC is the opposite they opened up the design of the game on everything that is planned, what we may do, or would like to do, all that from the start, different scenarios.
As for your last bit, Erin can be all on point, but managing the production globally of +450 people in 5 studios I would bet nobody can be fully on track with everything and every plan/design to be able to answer on-spot questions about future plans that smoothly.
All I wonder is what would it be like asking him for information at work.... would you walk away any the wiser?
All I wonder is what would it be like asking him for information at work.... would you walk away any the wiser?
It is a team, he leads global production, on a company with dozens of producers, so I think his work is heavily on managing the producers globally, than it would be have full knowledge of the design, like the guy you ask "what shall I do now" and not "how shall I do it".
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
You said "1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews."
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
You said "1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews."
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Well that's not how transcripts are written, is it? I have never seen those written into an interview to that extent. So, yes, it overtly emphasizes his pauses and false starts. If he DID have a confirmed speech impediment, would you say they were making fun of him?
Oh! And if you read past that part, you'd see that I did agree with you that he didn't answer the question.
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Doesn't he suffer from stammering? Isn't that considered a speech impediment?!
You just have to hear him speak really, he seems to try to control it but it surfaces quite often as he speaks.
Psychos1s said: This, he's talking perfectly normal at the start of the video, it's got nothing to do with the way he speaks, he just hasn't got an answer so proceeds to beat round the bush.
I love how Max has basically come out and said the majority of people in Manchester have a speech problem, being a brummie that's comedy gold.
What does that have to do? You'll see that his stammer only kicks in at times, that doesn't mean he doesn't face that problem when he speaks.
You can also look at this one
You can look at bits like this: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s it's a normal question no boogieman there but you see the same issue, he literally butchers the response at first in a "you know" rampage, so you can tell me that is because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but if you put context as to what he was talking about (just talking about making larger releases before the holiday season) then it's obvious the issue that led to that initially failed response is another.
That said, what is your take on that specific response I linked?
In no way comparable to what rpcmurphy posted, he still answers the question in that video. There's a massive difference, between saying you know a few times to flat out not answering it and trying to pull a blag.
Seriously how deep is that rabbit hole?
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
No that word salad that he posted is not a speech impediment, it's a guy who's been put on the spot and is trying to pull an answer out his arse and is failing, I've seen it happen many times.
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
You said "1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews."
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Well that's not how transcripts are written, is it? I have never seen those written into an interview to that extent. So, yes, it overtly emphasizes his pauses and false starts. If he DID have a confirmed speech impediment, would you say they were making fun of him?
Oh! And if you read past that part, you'd see that I did agree with you that he didn't answer the question.
What it emphasizes to me is not the pauses and starts, it's all the dodgy side stepping that has become so prevalent with this entire project, so often touted as the most open ever, yet when things get asked they get swept under the rug.
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Doesn't he suffer from stammering? Isn't that considered a speech impediment?!
You just have to hear him speak really, he seems to try to control it but it surfaces quite often as he speaks.
This is an example of a stammer.
But even in that video the guy presents his discussion smoothly, he knows his subject and delivers it, he's not searching for words and saying you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, and talking in circles while seemingly never getting to the point.
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
You said "1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews."
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Well that's not how transcripts are written, is it? I have never seen those written into an interview to that extent. So, yes, it overtly emphasizes his pauses and false starts. If he DID have a confirmed speech impediment, would you say they were making fun of him?
Oh! And if you read past that part, you'd see that I did agree with you that he didn't answer the question.
What it emphasizes to me is not the pauses and starts, it's all the dodgy side stepping that has become so prevalent with this entire project, so often touted as the most open ever, yet when things get asked they get swept under the rug.
Yup, that is an interpretation of it. However, why are you mocking someone with an alternate perspective when he's actually done his homework and given additional citation.
Actually, a good interviewer should have clarified his question, since he obviously didn't get the answer to his question. It's called a follow-up. Either that or the interviewer ambushed him during a scripted interview, since people with scheduled interviews are generally given questions prior to in order to properly prepare for them. So is that what happened? I don't know. I can only speculate. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. The point is that there are multiple reasonable explanations.
However, you didn't answer whether or not the transcription was typical of what you see in things like news articles of interviews, etc? I don't know how it works in America, but those are generally left out in transcriptions in Canada.
But even in that video the guy presents his discussion smoothly, he knows his subject and delivers it, he's not searching for words and saying you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, and talking in circles while seemingly never getting to the point.
He still faces the same issue even as the guy in the video the stammering as he speaks, aside of speaking quite faster that seems to be why he kills phrases.
So he has a speech impediment?
He also goes on pauses and "you knows" in literally every phrase he says (more visible on this example: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s where he knew what he was going to say and said it just before yet failed to), if that was to mean he doesn't know what he is speaking about, that would be quite a miserable life... o.o
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
You said "1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews."
It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Well that's not how transcripts are written, is it? I have never seen those written into an interview to that extent. So, yes, it overtly emphasizes his pauses and false starts. If he DID have a confirmed speech impediment, would you say they were making fun of him?
Oh! And if you read past that part, you'd see that I did agree with you that he didn't answer the question.
What it emphasizes to me is not the pauses and starts, it's all the dodgy side stepping that has become so prevalent with this entire project, so often touted as the most open ever, yet when things get asked they get swept under the rug.
Yup, that is an interpretation of it. However, why are you mocking someone with an alternate perspective when he's actually done his homework and given additional citation.
Actually, a good interviewer should have clarified his question, since he obviously didn't get the answer to his question. It's called a follow-up. Either that or the interviewer ambushed him during a scripted interview, since people with scheduled interviews are generally given questions prior to in order to properly prepare for them. So is that what happened? I don't know. I can only speculate. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. The point is that there are multiple reasonable explanations.
However, you didn't answer whether or not the transcription was typical of what you see in things like news articles of interviews, etc? I don't know how it works in America, but those are generally left out in transcriptions in Canada.
Literal transcriptions are written like that yes. Also where you're getting the idea that I'm American from I'll never know, I'm English. As for mocking someone, I'm sorry but when someone jumps in and starts off straight away by trying to derail a thread with accusations (as they often do) then yes they deserve it.
Psychos1s said: As for mocking someone, I'm sorry but when someone jumps in and starts off straight away by trying to derail a thread with accusations (as they often do) then yes they deserve it.
Wasn't me who derailed it, I responded the derail by posting the transcripts that shame Erin. Bets are not one who those 2 initial posters even hear the interview or had any interest in it aside of copy/pasting the goon transcripts into this thread.
Psychos1s said: As for mocking someone, I'm sorry but when someone jumps in and starts off straight away by trying to derail a thread with accusations (as they often do) then yes they deserve it.
Wasn't me who derailed it, I responded the derail by posting the transcripts that shame Erin. Bets are not one who those 2 initial posters even hear the interview or had any interest in it aside of copy/pasting the goon transcripts into this thread.
Is bullshit shaming now then classed as a real thing?
He still faces the same issue even as the guy in the video the stammering as he speaks, aside of speaking quite faster that seems to be why he kills phrases.
So he has a speech impediment?
He also goes on pauses and "you knows" in literally every phrase he says (more visible on this example: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s where he knew what he was going to say and said it just before yet failed to), if that was to mean he doesn't know what he is speaking about, that would be quite a miserable life... o.o
Not taking your time to gather your thoughts does not equal a speech impediment.
The guy in the video clearly has moments where his brain gets hung up on a word or a phrase which is so different from what Erin is doing. Erin is just dancing around the subject.
Is bullshit shaming now then classed as a real thing?
We are talking about Erin, that just talks like that and we can go back years and we see him speaking with the same issues that are highlighted here to imply something specifically. If this is was another person who by norm speaks smoothly and then butchers that response like that, then yeah they messed up, but wasn't the case.
So in the context of that person is why I used the word shame because laughing at it when it seems he does indeed just speaks like that. I would be all entertaining and I would even agree with you if this wasn't with this person.
rpmcmurphy said: Not taking your time to gather your thoughts does not equal a speech impediment.
The guy in the video clearly has moments where his brain gets hung up on a word or a phrase which is so different from what Erin is doing. Erin is just dancing around the subject.
I am not talking about the pauses, I am talking about the stammering that is visible when Erin is talking, and no, not the "you knows" and so, that actual fast-paced repetition during a word.
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Verbal diahorrea / lack of clarity is not a speech problem, it's not like it's a stammer or a stutter or mispronunciation due to deafness etc. Trying to make it sound like people are laughing at a disability is scraping the barrel in whiteknighting for CIG.
Let's drop the hyperbole, despite what you claim this is not manipulation
The only thing that is desperate, sad and petty is trying to turn this transcript into something far more than it is.
I'm pretty sure you have heard Erin having this same issue for years on shows, and this was why he was rarely ever on shows but the community asked to have more of him, and so it happened. One would easily say he butchers the answer like that because he doesn't know what he is talking about, but after seeing him on footage for years he faces that problem in normal speech, I only see it more or less intensive at times.
Ok, let's quit this and address two things here because you're both sort of right.
1) YES! The post that @rpmcmurphy is directly and overtly making fun of some sort of speech impediment that can be seen in many of Erin's interviews. That's just shitty.
2) NO! He never answers the question about persistence improvements.
Honestly, though, in my opinion that's sort of a loaded question. I don't have the precise context of the question itself, but the answer seems much more like a WTF are you asking me?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think that these guys don't know what the fuck they're doing, you're completely wrong. The problem with questions like this is that the answer I give you might be have completely different meaning. What are your expectations? Are we going to improve shit? Sure! Honestly, though, I don't really see this as evasive as much as he doesn't know what the fuck he's being asked to answer. I don't know where that is in the video to judge, though.
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If you're at the forefront of a company in designing how a game will be made and how various things will be implemented you would expect that person to be able to convey it in a reasonably definite manner, not some wishy washy, competely non-commital, "I don't know what the frak I am talking about" manner. That's what I find amusing about it.
The non-committal approach is wide to the company now, and thankfully so, they aren't giving guarantees on answers and things are way more disclaimed now, so expectations should be set accordingly. Better than pitch-forks and torches "HE LIED BURN HIM!!!" type of situation.
My brother was born with a severe hearing loss which obviously affects his speech, so anyone leaping to assumptions that I (or anyone else for that matter) are making fun of a disability can fuck right off.
I would much prefer if people asked what is amusing instead of ascribing words/actions/thoughts to other people out of pure ignorancy.
All I know is that when I've watched Frontier's livestreams, which features people not normally in front of the camera they do a decent job in talking about the shit they do know, whether that's game mechanics, game design or whatever. I certainly expect the same from someone like Erin, part of his job is to be on point.
As for your last bit, Erin can be all on point, but managing the production globally of +450 people in 5 studios I would bet nobody can be fully on track with everything and every plan/design to be able to answer on-spot questions about future plans that smoothly.
All I wonder is what would it be like asking him for information at work.... would you walk away any the wiser?
Must be an American. I can't think of anywhere else where you disagree with someone who's agreeing with you.
It's quite clear that the transcription was intentionally a parody. I mean these don't generally show up in transcripts or are represented by proper false starts and pauses.
I'm not sure why you're being so combative when I agreed with you and @rpmcmurphy
Go watch some other interviews and you tell me that he doesn't have plenty of pauses and false starts. Honestly, he's not a smooth talker. If you're trying to sell that then you either haven't seen any other interviews or you're being willfully ignorant.
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It's not making fun of a speech impediment because he doesn't have one, just because someone isn't a smooth talker doesn't automatically make it a speech impediment.
Well that's not how transcripts are written, is it? I have never seen those written into an interview to that extent. So, yes, it overtly emphasizes his pauses and false starts. If he DID have a confirmed speech impediment, would you say they were making fun of him?
Oh! And if you read past that part, you'd see that I did agree with you that he didn't answer the question.
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You just have to hear him speak really, he seems to try to control it but it surfaces quite often as he speaks.
But even in that video the guy presents his discussion smoothly, he knows his subject and delivers it, he's not searching for words and saying you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, and talking in circles while seemingly never getting to the point.
Yup, that is an interpretation of it. However, why are you mocking someone with an alternate perspective when he's actually done his homework and given additional citation.
Actually, a good interviewer should have clarified his question, since he obviously didn't get the answer to his question. It's called a follow-up. Either that or the interviewer ambushed him during a scripted interview, since people with scheduled interviews are generally given questions prior to in order to properly prepare for them. So is that what happened? I don't know. I can only speculate. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. The point is that there are multiple reasonable explanations.
However, you didn't answer whether or not the transcription was typical of what you see in things like news articles of interviews, etc? I don't know how it works in America, but those are generally left out in transcriptions in Canada.
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So he has a speech impediment?
He also goes on pauses and "you knows" in literally every phrase he says (more visible on this example: https://youtu.be/t2o1bJQQIXE?t=14m19s where he knew what he was going to say and said it just before yet failed to), if that was to mean he doesn't know what he is speaking about, that would be quite a miserable life... o.o
Not taking your time to gather your thoughts does not equal a speech impediment.
The guy in the video clearly has moments where his brain gets hung up on a word or a phrase which is so different from what Erin is doing. Erin is just dancing around the subject.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
So in the context of that person is why I used the word shame because laughing at it when it seems he does indeed just speaks like that. I would be all entertaining and I would even agree with you if this wasn't with this person.
I am not talking about the pauses, I am talking about the stammering that is visible when Erin is talking, and no, not the "you knows" and so, that actual fast-paced repetition during a word.