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Player's Choice 2017 - The Best Overall MMO - MMORPG.com

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  • GrimtuthGrimtuth Member UncommonPosts: 27


    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.



    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.

    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.

    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,560
    Grimtuth said:


    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.



    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.

    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.

    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.
    This is for best MMO. Warframe is an MMO. :) 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    Grimtuth said:


    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.



    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.

    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.

    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.
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    Grimtuth said:


    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.



    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.

    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.

    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.
    It's best MMO not MMORPG .
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  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    None of the above.

    The Ravenloft expansion for DDO was extremely well done.
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  • GrimtuthGrimtuth Member UncommonPosts: 27



    Grimtuth said:





    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.






    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.



    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.



    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.


    This is for best MMO. Warframe is an MMO. :) 



    My apologies for the insertion of rpg in my previous post. I am very curious as to how a 4 person co-op game is a mmo. By this standard, wouldn't call of duty, overwatch, and virtually any fps and arpg be mmo's?
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,560

    Grimtuth said:







    Grimtuth said:








    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.









    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.





    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.





    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.




    This is for best MMO. Warframe is an MMO. :) 






    My apologies for the insertion of rpg in my previous post. I am very curious as to how a 4 person co-op game is a mmo. By this standard, wouldn't call of duty, overwatch, and virtually any fps and arpg be mmo's?



    Warframe is universe of planets where thousands of players gather, chat, play together (in instances) and in larger zones, and when they log off the worlds, characters, and everything persist. Literally the only thing it's missing is a unified world where more players can interact at once and Eidolon took a step in that direction. And it's the direction they plan on going for the future. If anything, Warframe is more MMO now than ever before.

    What I think stops CoD and Overwatch from being "MMO" in my eyes is that they don't have a real persistent state of being as a world. But yet, they do persist in the form of character progression and always being on. You have to face it, the term MMO is broader than we can ever prescribe. MMORPG, I am fine with being a bit more confined in its definition. But MMO can mean so very very much more.

    I may still do a best MMORPG player's choice, where some more candidates are included, and others excluded.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,767
    edited January 2018



    Grimtuth said:





    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.






    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.



    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.



    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.


    This is for best MMO. Warframe is an MMO. :) 



    According to who? What genre of game is Warframe? Is warframe an MMO? No one else is calling it an MMO except this site. At least the winners of the best MMO for 2017 are shaping up to be real MMOs.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,070
    Black Desert online. I'm not sure why the hate for fake news stigma is, but it is the best mmo ever made to date. If people try and skim through it to create their negative opinion thats on them and they ar emissing out on an actual game world, not a theme park.

    Everytime I log in, I'm continually learning new things about mechanics and the world. One of the most epic games ever created. Combat and skill usage, bestI;ve used, and time of the skill bar to cue skills is over. I could never go back to a hotbar game again. Almost ever skill I can press a keyboard combination like Shift+ f or rmb +lmb to perform skills and combos.

    Black Desert online, nothing like it on the market.
    IT's certainly an amazing game. I do have my issues with it but it's one of the few that I have on my hard drive.

    I just think Elder Scrolls Online did a very good job with content/fixes this year.

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  • saitohxsaitohx Member UncommonPosts: 18
    The MMO thats going to win, is obviously whoever pays the most for advertising.... Ive seen alot of Black Desert Online Ads....hint ?
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663
    Sovrath said:
    Black Desert online. I'm not sure why the hate for fake news stigma is, but it is the best mmo ever made to date. If people try and skim through it to create their negative opinion thats on them and they ar emissing out on an actual game world, not a theme park.

    Everytime I log in, I'm continually learning new things about mechanics and the world. One of the most epic games ever created. Combat and skill usage, bestI;ve used, and time of the skill bar to cue skills is over. I could never go back to a hotbar game again. Almost ever skill I can press a keyboard combination like Shift+ f or rmb +lmb to perform skills and combos.

    Black Desert online, nothing like it on the market.
    IT's certainly an amazing game. I do have my issues with it but it's one of the few that I have on my hard drive.

    I just think Elder Scrolls Online did a very good job with content/fixes this year.

    In my opinion they've nailed content size (mostly) and update pacing. I know that ZOS is working on something and it's right around the corner for release.

    I know that SquareEnix and Blizzard are working on things for FF14 and WoW, but they're out there down the road in a bit, a few months, several months, or whatever. It feels a long ways off. New content in ESO never feels a long ways off. I think that adds a certain vibrancy to their title that its peers should strive for.
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  • DieseltecDieseltec Member UncommonPosts: 7
    I usually agree with Bill, but this time I have to say that WildStar and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic should also be on this list. Both games are solid MMO's.
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    saitohx said:


    The MMO thats going to win, is obviously whoever pays the most for advertising.... Ive seen alot of Black Desert Online Ads....hint ?






    Sorry this is a real democracy poll, something you folks in cali know nothing about. The winner is based on the Vote, kind of like Trump <3</div>


    Hilary won the popular vote you neanderthal
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  • PurplePoloPlayerPurplePoloPlayer Member UncommonPosts: 145
    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.
    I've been playing for a week now and I'm loving it. I haven't enjoyed a PvE grinder this much since Diablo 2. Normally I only play PvP games but this is a welcome break from the doldrums of Albion Online. 
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,767
    Dieseltec said:
    I usually agree with Bill, but this time I have to say that WildStar and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic should also be on this list. Both games are solid MMO's.
    They are getting beat out by games that aren't even MMOs
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  • TabielahTabielah Member CommonPosts: 1
    I don't play any of these, since none have managed to really capture my attention for long. I played DDO for a number of years, but have graduated to Riders of Icarus. Either one of these on the list would get my vote.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,763

    Grimtuth said:







    Grimtuth said:








    I voted for Warframe, despite wanting to vote for ESO or GW2. I think Digital Extremes has had an amazing year with Warframe, and the open world direction they're going with the game is bound to make it an even better 2018.









    Really Bill? As managing editor of MMOrpg.com you vote for a non-mmorpg that is on a list for best MMORPG of 2017.





    Sheesh... I think your vote typifies the sad state of the genre at present.





    I, sadly, cannot vote for any simply because I don't play any of them anymore.




    This is for best MMO. Warframe is an MMO. :) 






    My apologies for the insertion of rpg in my previous post. I am very curious as to how a 4 person co-op game is a mmo. By this standard, wouldn't call of duty, overwatch, and virtually any fps and arpg be mmo's?



    Warframe is universe of planets where thousands of players gather, chat, play together (in instances) and in larger zones, and when they log off the worlds, characters, and everything persist. Literally the only thing it's missing is a unified world where more players can interact at once and Eidolon took a step in that direction. And it's the direction they plan on going for the future. If anything, Warframe is more MMO now than ever before.

    What I think stops CoD and Overwatch from being "MMO" in my eyes is that they don't have a real persistent state of being as a world. But yet, they do persist in the form of character progression and always being on. You have to face it, the term MMO is broader than we can ever prescribe. MMORPG, I am fine with being a bit more confined in its definition. But MMO can mean so very very much more.

    I may still do a best MMORPG player's choice, where some more candidates are included, and others excluded.
    If the publishers don't call it a MMO why insist on bringing it under that banner? What is wrong with having Co-op games on the site, but under their own genre heading? Would best Co-op Action Game somehow be a lesser award than best MMO? We do like Co-op games you know, I would be hard pressed to think of a gamer I know who does not like them.

    The persistent world definition is too ambiguous, as you mention your self even CoD has persistent character development. I won't prescribe what a MMO is, but I will take the gaming company's word when they tell us that they did not make one.

    Glad to hear Warframe is becoming more MMO-like maybe one day that's what it will become. :)

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  • MowzerMowzer Member UncommonPosts: 69
    Seems like the advertisement dollar dictated this list. I don't know how they could keep a straight face while compiling it...
    But whatever keeps the lights on eh?
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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,993
    I hope we can once again see a "The Best Overall MMORPG" list in the future ... where we don't see games small player coops in the mix.
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,560

    Tamanous said:

    I hope we can once again see a "The Best Overall MMORPG" list in the future ... where we don't see games small player coops in the mix.



    I kind of think next year could be that way, if a lot of the MMORPGs in the making finally launch.
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,007
    Another year, another none of the above. Maybe 2018 will be different.....
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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,560

    Dieseltec said:

    I usually agree with Bill, but this time I have to say that WildStar and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic should also be on this list. Both games are solid MMO's.



    They're great games, but they didn't have a great year. News about SWTOR has slowed to a drip, leading many to believe that it's in its sundown phase as BioWare Austin moves to a new project. WildStar, while one of my favorites, actually IS in maintenance mode while Carbine works on a new game.
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  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,238
    I can't click anything since the only correct answer would be "none of the above." (or "Something else" would work)
  • paulythebpaulytheb Member UncommonPosts: 363
    Had to vote for GW2 even though I don't have either expansion.
    It was the only game on the list I even played in 2017. (Just because I bought it at launch and it is free.)

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  • aCi11i3saCi11i3s Member UncommonPosts: 54
    anyone, and sadly most, that voted for ESO must love the easy button on suckage. ESO is an epic road that leads to a stop sign. Live a little. MMO's should be and are much better than this
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