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I am not paying $50,either F2P with shop or the Risk is to high that i become a Beta tester ...

GoromhirGoromhir Member UncommonPosts: 445
Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,230
    edited January 2018

    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    In the past, there weren't many crowd funded projects well. I dont even think this game has had an actual beta yet though. So who knows what they will do by then. If you're buying now, you're just backing the game.

    https://crowfall.com/en/faq/playtesting/alpha-and-beta-testing/

    For the record though, I've only personally put money into a couple of projects at this point but not in hopes to pay test them (one of them being Project Gorgon). Other than than that, yeah I agree that paying to test a game is silly if the game is being supported by major means like a publisher etc. Crowd funding has a different set of 'rules' unfortunately. Just look at Star Citizen.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,106
    I wouldn't give one red cent to people i don't know so they can try to get rich making video games.

    99% of these crowd funded games should be paying me for wasting my time trying them,they are almost always really bad games or just half-assed games.

    The market is not even relegated to CF funded games,tons of crap is flooding the market,3/4/5 maybe 6 months of work and devs think they have a quality game..pffft.

    For the record,Crowfall won't be good,not even close,it is another budget game aiming for the cheap cost of building a pvp game.If you just want to kill other players online,you can do it for free and in some of the best designed pvp maps in the world inside of the new UnrealTournament.

    This game offers kingdoms but you will be spending more money for that as well and ongoing over time more money to expand it.So if you think playing a pvp simulator with cash shop kingdoms is quality gaming,knock yourself out..enjoy.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,012
    So wait like I do, until a year or more post launch.

    Last thing we need is yet another (not) F2P with cash shop game.
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  • paulythebpaulytheb Member UncommonPosts: 360
    Game is in Alpha Dude.  The Beta test *Might* start sometime this year.
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member RarePosts: 2,073
    From their website : 

    WHAT IS THE CURRENT PHASE OF TESTING?

    We are in Pre-Alpha 5.

    Pre-Alpha what? 5 ? Wtf is this shit ? Geezes. We are "here", because of the very naive players who believe in everything a guy with a pen and paper come and shows his "awesome" project. 

    I really hope this ...KS think ( MMO related only, at least ) will soon vanish. 

    Also, there is this guy, senior ... i don't know his full name , of the UK , who "released" this game , and also is/was selling his BLOOD , hair .. brain ( I believe? ) , for some cash online.

    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?page_id=51225#tab-blood_charity

    I mean, who in the RIGHT MIND is supporting this shit of behavior ?!

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,756
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
    I opened my wallet and am playing something pretty substantial right now, funny how that works.

    Criwfalls pre-alpha is better then most BETAs I've been in, it has already made a tremendous amount of progress in a relatively short time.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 



     
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  • LuidenLuiden Member UncommonPosts: 254
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    As soon as a game goes F2P/P2W/P2WTF I stop playing it.  Players like you are why MMORPGs today suck total crap.
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  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 582
    Don't pay for betas. It's utterly wrong. Too many companies seem to think beta is an early release build, instead of the development build it actually is. There have been a lot of games in what they called beta, that absolutely wasn't an actual beta. The less reputable ones have started using beta as a marketing term, which I feel is unethical and false representation they use to get away with releasing buggy software on the public.

    Crowfall has some interesting things, but it's a no go for me simply because of the non-consensual pvp that comprises what I suspect will be the majority of gameplay from the descriptions. Too bad, it sounded rather good other than that. 

    Kickstarters and the like can be risky. It can also be a great way to support something you think will be awesome.  There have been some definite wins released via crowd funding, but there have also been failures, scams, and just plain sucky ones as well.  It's a bit of a crap shoot, so it's a good idea to follow some simple rules. 
    1 - Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. It'll be for sale after it's finished anyway.
    2 - Don't invest in anyone that you don't know. Do some investigation on the person first. 
    3 - If they have successfully done one or more kickstarters for similar projects, they will probably bring this one to fruition as well. 

    I've been in several kickstarters, and have been hit by a couple of unexpected twists, but I've had a lot more great results by being a tad cautious and doing a bit of research as well.  

    As to the games supported by real money shops, even if they go through a fake currency you buy with real money, they are often bland and it's not uncommon for them to push you towards the shops by gimping the game.  If a so called AAA (triple A) game has the real money shop, it's almost guaranteed to be a greedy money grab and the game was definitely altered to require the shop either flat out, to avoid an intolerable grind of insane duration, or to regain things that would normally be available in the game anyway. Case in point, Shadows of War, Star Wars Battlefont 2, and Destiny 2 to name a few recent violations of those types. 
    So no, I don't look at shop supported games as a good thing. I have no idea why the OP would imply that they like them. 

    Ok, I've babbled more than enough. I need to leave something for other people to talk about. :wink:  Feel free to agree or disagree as you like. After all, it's just our opinions.
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  • FrykkaFrykka Member UncommonPosts: 106
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    I hope you know that you can try it for free when Beta comes out  (August 2018 maybe) if you register an account on the website.  That is the free trial period.   The game will never be free to play...   it is buy once - play unlimited like all the games used to be.

  • hamlathishamlathis Member UncommonPosts: 20
    edited January 2018
    Maybe crowfall is a great game I don't know. because never tried it.  BUT i can say all the kickstarters and projects I payed for are unfinished or stopped. (H1Z1 Landmark SOTA repopulation) All of them are IMO unplayable. And I'm done. I won't pay a cent anymore for an unfinished game. It's over I'm done.
    Only facts: payed for many unfinished and unplayable games  (it's over) on perpetual alpha state
    Facts: I play only ancient MMOS because they're good (wow Lotro GW2...)
    Pre-Alpha what? 5 ? Wtf is this shit ?
    Lol, now we have to pay for a prealpha ? What a prealpha is ? A technical demo ? No way. No more.  Not a cent for an alpha or even a beta not even a ct.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,756
    lahnmir said:
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
    I opened my wallet and am playing something pretty substantial right now, funny how that works.

    Criwfalls pre-alpha is better then most BETAs I've been in, it has already made a tremendous amount of progress in a relatively short time.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 



     
    OK, that's one.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,192
    Kyleran said:
    So wait like I do, until a year or more post launch.

    Last thing we need is yet another (not) F2P with cash shop game.
    People want more, now, and for free. No one wants to pay for their games anymore. It sucks. That means the people who do pay end up paying more, even if you're not a whale.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,692
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    So wait like I do, until a year or more post launch.

    Last thing we need is yet another (not) F2P with cash shop game.
    People want more, now, and for free. No one wants to pay for their games anymore. It sucks. That means the people who do pay end up paying more, even if you're not a whale.
    But people want to see it before paying because they have paid in advance and got screwed. It's a 2 way street here. Players want play the game before they pay for it and developers are getting paid before releasing games that are substandard or never even release.....or drag out the development process to drag out getting paid....etc.
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 602
    edited January 2018
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    OK dude. Because you don't want to pay for beta access the game should change its entire monetization strategy just so you "might" try it... /facepalm

    Here's an outrageous suggestion: how about you WAIT until the game releases so you can watch streams and read reviews before you buy it ?!?





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  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 819
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    So wait till after launch, read some reviews, watch some streams, see what others are saying about it...
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    lahnmir said:
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
    I opened my wallet and am playing something pretty substantial right now, funny how that works.

    Criwfalls pre-alpha is better then most BETAs I've been in, it has already made a tremendous amount of progress in a relatively short time.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 



     
    OK, that's one.
    Actually, that is 39.387, versus +/- 20 sour people on this website. But who is counting?  ;)

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,216
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    So wait like I do, until a year or more post launch.

    Last thing we need is yet another (not) F2P with cash shop game.
    People want more, now, and for free. No one wants to pay for their games anymore. It sucks. That means the people who do pay end up paying more, even if you're not a whale.
    But people want to see it before paying because they have paid in advance and got screwed. It's a 2 way street here. Players want play the game before they pay for it and developers are getting paid before releasing games that are substandard or never even release.....or drag out the development process to drag out getting paid....etc.
    There were very few games that let you play it before you bought it back before this whole kickstarter crap started.  Sure some had free trials but those were far and few in reality.  Hell just think about all the console games people were buying without trying.

    The biggest thing people miss today is they have think you should have a game ready in a year or two it seems.  A good game can take anywhere between 5-7 years on average.  To many people today have expectations that just are not in line with actually making a game. 

    I do agree about people being screwed by projects that go unfinished or do not deliver what was promised.

    I also look at it like this though, you don't back people you have no idea who they are I don't care what they promise.  Do your homework find out who is developing the game and if it is an indie company you can shoot the dice or not your choice.  If your gaming money is not disposable income to begin with, meaning something you can spend and not care about it, maybe you should find another hobby all together as gaming is an expensive hobby.


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,192
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    So wait like I do, until a year or more post launch.

    Last thing we need is yet another (not) F2P with cash shop game.
    People want more, now, and for free. No one wants to pay for their games anymore. It sucks. That means the people who do pay end up paying more, even if you're not a whale.
    But people want to see it before paying because they have paid in advance and got screwed. It's a 2 way street here. Players want play the game before they pay for it and developers are getting paid before releasing games that are substandard or never even release.....or drag out the development process to drag out getting paid....etc.
    Then wait for it to release or wait for a trial. Almost every MMO offers one at some point. With all the Twitch streaming it's not hard to get an idea of game play. There will be a ton of that after launch. Which is why kyle's advice is spot on.

    He's not asking for a 3 day trial. He's asking for the game to be free because he doesn't want to pay for it.
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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,290
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    I don't bother with these crowdfunded games period. But this is what today's gamers are used to now. I remember when game companies would test their own game with a few player invites.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 5,983
    edited January 2018
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    In the past there were no f2p games (in the west) and people had to make do with reading reviews, maybe playing a trial and paying $50 or whatever. Funny how one can forget how it used to be!

    Kickstarters are a "buyer beware". If you are not interested in supporting whatever is being crowdfunded - games or anything else - you should stay away. For there is an element of risk.

    And - I know this may come as a shock - the money is required to pay the people developing the game, buy the kit and software etc. Just the way it is. No money, no game. And if there is no game there is nothing to release - whether f2p of whatever. So no you don't get the option today.

    Maybe in the future it might be finished. Might for its tough. If its an "honest endeavour" though I don't see any reason to complain. (And btw EQN, Landmark etc. were not kickstarter projects.)

    And if - if - the attempt is successful who knows they might release it as f2p, or b2p or with a sub - whatever. For that to be an option though there has to be a game - or at least enough of a game - to launch. 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,012
    edited January 2018
    lahnmir said:
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
    I opened my wallet and am playing something pretty substantial right now, funny how that works.

    Criwfalls pre-alpha is better then most BETAs I've been in, it has already made a tremendous amount of progress in a relatively short time.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 



     
    Yeah, but you play for "fun", seriously who does that?

    Poking a pile of pooh with a stick can be fun, at least for a little while. 

    Still wouldn't call it a good value.

    But, to each their own.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,710
    Goromhir said:
    Its damn risky to buy games these days, in the past we have been BETA Testers over years after buying games.

    Make it F2P with a shop like the most others and i might try it.

    No way i pay $50 in advance for a online game i have not tested by myself before buying in 2018 !
    As you state... most others are F2P with a  cash shop.   Why be clone #63?
    People who like cash shops have a ton to choose from.  I think there is room for a few games that cater to a different crowd.  Not every game has to cater to the largest denominator.

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    Kyleran said:
    lahnmir said:
    Best way to vote for a game is with your wallet.  So my wallet also stays closed until I see something substantial.
    I opened my wallet and am playing something pretty substantial right now, funny how that works.

    Criwfalls pre-alpha is better then most BETAs I've been in, it has already made a tremendous amount of progress in a relatively short time.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 



     
    Yeah, but you play for "fun", seriously who does that?

    Poking a pile of pooh with a stick can be fun, at least for a little while. 

    Still wouldn't call it a good value.

    But, to each their own.

    ;)
    Hahaha you were doing so good before your edit. Tssk tssk, such a shame  :p

    /Cheers,
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,636
    I have signed up for the Free Beta, and truth be told unless it sucks, I will drop the $50 to play it.
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