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The 10 Best MMOs of 2017 - The List - MMORPG.com

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  • CryolitycalCryolitycal Member UncommonPosts: 205
    From the list we can only draw one conclusion. mmoRPGs are dead and smelling, if BDO, GW2 and ESO are something to be excited about. Multiplayer games took a shift towards PvP and shooting this year, if you included Fortnite/PUBG you might as well include HotS and LoL. I can't be convinced a "drop 100 players in an area for 30 mins" is an MMO. There's no persistence whatsoever, even PoE allows you to get and keep gear, upgrade and so on. Destiny 2 might be an MMO, although Bungie denies it. The fact that this game made it to the "good list" is yet another hint at how pathetic the MMO scene is.
    Sad, in the famous words of some random orange dude that made it to the top.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877
    SBFord said:
    Rhygarth said:
    Lol the first 4 are not even MMO's :P
    And so it begins....
    It's sad when a site has to resort to trolling its own members.
    You've never seen an IRL picture of Bill before have you.


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    edited December 2017
    I guess the staff here, between changing the site's name or the genre's definition, decided to do the latter. Considering it is rather impossible to purchase mog.com, it makes sense. 

    I don't agree with them, but I understand them. 

    Unless they're all wasted and toasted. Then I'd understand them even more! ;)
    I don't blame them, just stop trying to link them together.  It's insulting to one's intelligence.

    Cover them and call them what they are : multiplayer games with RPG elements.  Nobody has to stop covering video games, I just ask that they stop trying to lump them together when they're clearly not in the same genre, they just feature overlapping mechanics.

    It's like saying Skyrim was that year's #1 first-person shooter because you can be an archer and play in the first-person vikno
    As I said, I don't agree with them. And they have been doing what you suggested for a few years now. Their current problem is their name is mmorpg and they can't come up with a list of best mmorpgs at the end of the year. So they have decided calling other types of games MMOs. 

    They don't care about what their regular members think regarding this matter. Adapt to survive. They'd call Suzie an MMO if it comes down to that. 

    They don't want to close down mmmorpg.com because there are no more mmos out there. This is my take. 

    Of course, we should still give them a hard time. But I think the debates have become pointless. Because we know that they know. They know that we know that they know. And we know that they know that we know that they know. You know? ;)
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  • RedMachine72RedMachine72 Member UncommonPosts: 154
    edited December 2017
    Can't say anything about Warframe...but Destiny 2, PUBG, and Fortnite are all multiplayer shooters. Calling them MMO is like saying that COD multiplayer is an MMO just because there are many people in it at once. There is more to an MMO than just an advancement system and something to kill.
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  • CalaruilCalaruil Member UncommonPosts: 141
    So is FF XIV worth trying or should i try ESO again?
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,742
    SBFord said:
    Rhygarth said:
    Lol the first 4 are not even MMO's :P
    And so it begins....
    It's sad when a site has to resort to trolling its own members.
    Trolling? I saw it more as sighing. :grin:
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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 726
    edited December 2017
    Calaruil said:
    So is FF XIV worth trying or should i try ESO again?
    XIV if you want that vertical progression (standard fare gear treadmill MMO) and ESO if you're more interested in exploring, immersion, and horizontal progression. Both are great choices for MMOs, honestly; just depends on what you're in the mood for.
  • CalaruilCalaruil Member UncommonPosts: 141
    Calaruil said:
    So is FF XIV worth trying or should i try ESO again?
    XIV if you want that vertical progression (standard fare gear treadmill MMO) and ESO if you're more interested in exploring, immersion, and horizontal progression. Both are great choices for MMOs, honestly; just depends on what you're in the mood for.
    Thanks. ESO it is.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,204
    No, ALL of these games are MMOs, but what an MMO is has changed greatly since the genre’s inception. And if you disagree, that’s fine. Just make your own list.
    Could we not have two lists? One of proper MMO's and one of multiplayer co-op games? I would happily read both as I think any poster would here. Rather than get into an argument about definition, keep everyone happy, and with two articles get more clicks? ;)
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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,050
    my comment was deleted again.
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  • MirandelMirandel Member UncommonPosts: 143
    edited December 2017
    Warframe is a free-to-play cooperative third-person shooter
    Destiny 2 is an online-only multiplayer first-person shooter
    Fortnite is a co-op sandbox survival
    ....

    Even developers did not dear to call it Massive Multiplayer games
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  • GeezerGaz82GeezerGaz82 Member UncommonPosts: 63
    "Warframe, many would argue, is the best MMO that no one really talks about." Bill Murphy 2017

    I suppose if Warframe slip you some money to say so it must be true. Who knew that advertiser money could turn Warframe into an MMO, even though apparently many would argue it is only 1-8 player instanced battles. I think we need a new word for MMO or MMORPG so that they can't twist it into other genres and ride the false advertising wave like MMORPG has been doing for the last few years.
    Maybe call them Thousand Player RPGs (TPRPG). Massively or Massive as some people define it, is a very vague description and can be debated until the end of time. Bill Murphy's definition of MMORPG is Warframe, for example. Each to their own I guess, but I prefer TPRPGs
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  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784
    You guys can argue with the mmorpg staff about how they can't write articles properly anymore but I'll be playing Space Waifu Online .. I mean Phantasy Star Online 2. It's easier arguing with Japanese players then with the mmorpg staff. lol
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,204
    "Warframe, many would argue, is the best MMO that no one really talks about." Bill Murphy 2017

    I suppose if Warframe slip you some money to say so it must be true. Who knew that advertiser money could turn Warframe into an MMO, even though apparently many would argue it is only 1-8 player instanced battles. I think we need a new word for MMO or MMORPG so that they can't twist it into other genres and ride the false advertising wave like MMORPG has been doing for the last few years.
    Maybe call them Thousand Player RPGs (TPRPG). Massively or Massive as some people define it, is a very vague description and can be debated until the end of time. Bill Murphy's definition of MMORPG is Warframe, for example. Each to their own I guess, but I prefer TPRPGs

    Not this again, articles can have a different option to what you have without it being about money under the table. I don't think WF is a MMO, I think they should have two separate lists, one for MMO's, one for co-op games. But by Bill's definition that sort of game is a MMO, he is just wrong, not on the take.
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  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,377
    edited December 2017

    SBFord said:

    Geez, people, lighten up. It's not like Bill said these were all MMORPGs, simply "MMOs".

    I dunno...."M" (MASSIVE) "M" (MULTIPLAYER) "O" (ONLINE) all seem to fit each of these games. The definition of massive has changed. The days of 1000s of players sharing a single game are mostly gone and if you consider "servers" -- most of which host fewer than 500 players -- these games all fit. 

    The "new" MMO is 50+ to whatever number of players together in one place. People need to adapt with the times. Someday maybe the more "traditional" version of MMO will come back, but for now, times have changed. It's not 2007 any more.




    I could not disagree more . 50 people playing on a server is not massive..
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,781
    The term MMO is not an opinion, nor is the definition subject to one. It cannot simply mean what you want it to simply because you want it to......Well, I suppose it can, but you would be wrong.

    MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online.

    The rules of the English Language define this. "Massively" is an Adverb. As such it can only be used to describe a verb, another adverb or an adjective. Not a noun. So, the only other word it can describe within this term is Multiplayer. (PERIOD) It's not subjective. This means that it must be the multiplayer aspect of the game must be massive. There has to be a "massive" number of players who can interact together.

    Now, the term massive is obviously not define and that term can be open to interpretation. But when used within the context of multi players............does 4-6 really sound like a massive number?

    Also, if we want to say that because of general public use, we have altered the term from Massively to Massive......as in Massive Multiplayer Online game........Go ahead and google that term......."Massive Multiplayer Online Game"

    There is not a single reference on page 1 that doesn't alter the term back to "Massively".
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,788
    edited December 2017
    SBFord said:
    Rhygarth said:
    Lol the first 4 are not even MMO's :P
    And so it begins....
    It's sad when a site has to resort to trolling its own members.
    Trolling? I saw it more as sighing. :grin
    Putting out the games they did as MMO's they knew what the reaction was going to be from the majority of people.....hence trolling. She was just waiting to post that lol.

    My favorite part in all this is you can clearly see who the arse kissers are on these forums.
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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,912
    https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/470112/i-dont-envy-the-people-who-have-to-do-year-end-lists-and-awards/p1

    I went in figuring that half the list would be padded with nonMMOs and expansions...

    On the bright side I think people will get tired of posting doom and gloom threads when the lists here make it abundantly clear how the MMORPG genre is doing.

    So I think they did an awesome job mentioning some good games for what they had to work with.

    Here's to seeing a single player game in 2018!


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  • GeezerGaz82GeezerGaz82 Member UncommonPosts: 63
    Scot said:
    "Warframe, many would argue, is the best MMO that no one really talks about." Bill Murphy 2017

    I suppose if Warframe slip you some money to say so it must be true. Who knew that advertiser money could turn Warframe into an MMO, even though apparently many would argue it is only 1-8 player instanced battles. I think we need a new word for MMO or MMORPG so that they can't twist it into other genres and ride the false advertising wave like MMORPG has been doing for the last few years.
    Maybe call them Thousand Player RPGs (TPRPG). Massively or Massive as some people define it, is a very vague description and can be debated until the end of time. Bill Murphy's definition of MMORPG is Warframe, for example. Each to their own I guess, but I prefer TPRPGs

    Not this again, articles can have a different option to what you have without it being about money under the table. I don't think WF is a MMO, I think they should have two separate lists, one for MMO's, one for co-op games. But by Bill's definition that sort of game is a MMO, he is just wrong, not on the take.
    Maybe your right, maybe your wrong about MMORPG.com not being sell-outs (you can't know for sure), maybe Bill really doesn't know what an MMO is even though their site is called MMORPG.com, or maybe Bill is just trolling for clicks on his website.  I don't know or care about that part, I just wish this site would be more accurate with their top 10 MMOs title.  It's misleading when you are searching for a new MMORPG to play and takes a lot longer to find one because of articles like this.  It's like looking for a first person shooter and finding Minecraft and TESO on the Top 10 FPS of 2017 list.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,781
    Scot said:
    "Warframe, many would argue, is the best MMO that no one really talks about." Bill Murphy 2017

    I suppose if Warframe slip you some money to say so it must be true. Who knew that advertiser money could turn Warframe into an MMO, even though apparently many would argue it is only 1-8 player instanced battles. I think we need a new word for MMO or MMORPG so that they can't twist it into other genres and ride the false advertising wave like MMORPG has been doing for the last few years.
    Maybe call them Thousand Player RPGs (TPRPG). Massively or Massive as some people define it, is a very vague description and can be debated until the end of time. Bill Murphy's definition of MMORPG is Warframe, for example. Each to their own I guess, but I prefer TPRPGs

    Not this again, articles can have a different option to what you have without it being about money under the table. I don't think WF is a MMO, I think they should have two separate lists, one for MMO's, one for co-op games. But by Bill's definition that sort of game is a MMO, he is just wrong, not on the take.
    Maybe your right, maybe your wrong about MMORPG.com not being sell-outs (you can't know for sure), maybe Bill really doesn't know what an MMO is even though their site is called MMORPG.com, or maybe Bill is just trolling for clicks on his website.  I don't know or care about that part, I just wish this site would be more accurate with their top 10 MMOs title.  It's misleading when you are searching for a new MMORPG to play and takes a lot longer to find one because of articles like this.  It's like looking for a first person shooter and finding Minecraft and TESO on the Top 10 FPS of 2017 list.
    I agree with @Nilden. I just don't think they had much to work with from the start. This list is what it is because, 2017 just didn't offer much. 2012 - 2014 was probably the last time we had any anticipated releases with a number of smaller titles and expansions in the wings. Most didn't fare as well as hoped. Since then, big publishers don't want to touch the genre.
  • DarkswormDarksworm Member RarePosts: 990
    Soon StarCraft will be classified as an MMORPG. Laughable and a pretty clear indication of just how awful this genre has fallen. Games like Destiny 2, PUBG, Path of Exile on a "Best of the Year" list.

    And leaving WoW off. A lot of people dislike WoW, but it not being on this list is beyond laughable.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,099
    Some of those are not MMOs but expected from this "MMO" site.
    Because of the slide of the genre, anything that can have more than a single player is now a MMO.
  • RedempRedemp Member UncommonPosts: 1,136
     It's wonderful -  every year this list comes out and every year the thread debates what is a "mmo". I remember getting bent out of shape the first time I saw a non-mmorpg appear here for coverage, I was put out too. I've since grown with the times. Please Mmorpg staff .. keep doing these lists, it's almost a holiday tradition for me, coffee and discussion. 
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  • sakersaker Member UncommonPosts: 1,246
    Clearly a truly DEEPLY $hitty year! (in oh so many disastrous ways)
    As for Secret World Legends, I couldn't get that thing to even run on my brand-new very fine system, which says a lot to me.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Redemp said:
     It's wonderful -  every year this list comes out and every year the thread debates what is a "mmo". I remember getting bent out of shape the first time I saw a non-mmorpg appear here for coverage, I was put out too. I've since grown with the times. Please Mmorpg staff .. keep doing these lists, it's almost a holiday tradition for me, coffee and discussion. 
    Wondering when they'll start including FIFA on this list.  Heard the last release was highly successful, it's as multiplayer as many of the titles listed, and they've injected RPG-esque gameplay systems into the game.

    No logical reason not to include it, at this point.
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