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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member EpicPosts: 5,411
    edited December 2017
    Megaman 4 will always be the hardest game. But seriously, Cuphead was really well done. Hopefully more throwback inspired games will keep coming.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 19,318
    Albatroes said:
    Megaman 4 will always be the hardest game. But seriously, Cuphead was really well done. Hopefully more throwback inspired games will keep coming.

    Beating all casino bosses with my son in Cuphead - was a proud moment.
    TorvalMrMelGibson
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 5,406
    edited December 2017
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    edited December 2017
    Gorwe said:
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
    The thing is the Souls games are not really "hard" but they know how to make a game challenging and not feel cheap (except Dark Souls 2 which was directed by some other dude who missed the whole point about the games' difficulty/gameplay design).

    I haven't played Cuphead so i can't comment on that one.

    Cheap is the difficulty in mmos actually, with big health bars, damage sponge, and zero brains required.

    But i agree with the OP picture for the hardest one. That's a tough one!
    Post edited by rojoArcueid on
    Torval




  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 5,406
    Gorwe said:
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
    The thing is the Souls games are not really "hard" but they know how to make a game challenging and not feel cheap (except Dark Souls 2 which was directed by some other dude who missed the whole point about the games' difficulty/gameplay design).

    I haven't played Cuphead so i can't comment on that one.

    Cheap is the difficulty in mmos actually, with big health bars, damage sponge, and zero brains required.

    But i agree with the OP picture for the hardest one. That's a tough one!
    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    rojoArcueid
  • k4tek4te Member CommonPosts: 11
    While I haven't played Cuphead, I beg to disagree with Dark Souls being at the level of difficulty people place it to be.

    You can practically cheese your way through a couple of bosses, I'd say Bloodborne was much harder, but then again, I feel like Contra has been the hardest game I have ever played.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    edited December 2017
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
    The thing is the Souls games are not really "hard" but they know how to make a game challenging and not feel cheap (except Dark Souls 2 which was directed by some other dude who missed the whole point about the games' difficulty/gameplay design).

    I haven't played Cuphead so i can't comment on that one.

    Cheap is the difficulty in mmos actually, with big health bars, damage sponge, and zero brains required.

    But i agree with the OP picture for the hardest one. That's a tough one!
    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    I agree DkS 2 should have been it's own game, especially since DkS 3 is a direct sequel to DkS1.

    I love the whole series, from Demon souls all the way to BB. DkS 2 is my least favorite for 1 single reason, enemy pathing was cheaply done. Big enemies float around in the middle of an attack animation and hit you. The rest of the series don't have that issue. Outside of that, it's still a great game, and the scholar of the first sin edition made it much better.

    It's funny DkS 2 is the only souls game i've beaten twice. The original game on PC, and the Scholar edition on PS4.
    Post edited by rojoArcueid on




  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    k4te said:
    While I haven't played Cuphead, I beg to disagree with Dark Souls being at the level of difficulty people place it to be.

    You can practically cheese your way through a couple of bosses, I'd say Bloodborne was much harder, but then again, I feel like Contra has been the hardest game I have ever played.
    OMG Contra!, Contra Hard Corps on Sega Genesis drove me insane. When i finally beat it i felt like i was born again lol.




  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 3,838
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
    The thing is the Souls games are not really "hard" but they know how to make a game challenging and not feel cheap (except Dark Souls 2 which was directed by some other dude who missed the whole point about the games' difficulty/gameplay design).

    I haven't played Cuphead so i can't comment on that one.

    Cheap is the difficulty in mmos actually, with big health bars, damage sponge, and zero brains required.

    But i agree with the OP picture for the hardest one. That's a tough one!
    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    I agree DkS 2 should have been it's own game, especially since DkS 3 is a direct sequel to DkS1.

    I love the whole series, from Demon souls all the way to BB. DkS 2 is my least favorite for 1 single reason, enemy pathing was cheaply done. Big enemies float around in the middle of an attack animation and hit you. The rest of the series don't have that issue. Outside of that, it's still a great game, and the scholar of the first sin edition made it much better.

    It's funny DkS 2 is the only souls game i've beaten twice. The original game on PC, and the Scholar edition on PS4.
    For me Dark Souls 3 is the bottom of the list. It had way too many cheesy enemies that could 1-2 shot you. Some of them where personally harder than the bosses themselves... The repeating of the content while nostalgic, it was also cheap.

    I also don't understand all the hate for the 2nd game. Yes it has cheesy enemies but it's also the game with the most replayability. Last week I found out the spider boss on new game plus shows on the map prior to the boss area, and you have around 45 seconds to hit/beat it before it goes away. The health will remain diminished if you are unsuccessful. That's quite cool. On top of newer enemies and boss fights behaving different or have allies with them.
    Torval

  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 5,406
    Bloodaxes said:
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    Come on, Dark Souls isn't even hard(more like cheap + obscure), Cuphead's MUCH harder than that! Can we stop with "Hard Souls ; git gud" meme already? edit: I ENJOY complaining and analyzing various stuff. So much about "hardest" category. :D
    The thing is the Souls games are not really "hard" but they know how to make a game challenging and not feel cheap (except Dark Souls 2 which was directed by some other dude who missed the whole point about the games' difficulty/gameplay design).

    I haven't played Cuphead so i can't comment on that one.

    Cheap is the difficulty in mmos actually, with big health bars, damage sponge, and zero brains required.

    But i agree with the OP picture for the hardest one. That's a tough one!
    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    I agree DkS 2 should have been it's own game, especially since DkS 3 is a direct sequel to DkS1.

    I love the whole series, from Demon souls all the way to BB. DkS 2 is my least favorite for 1 single reason, enemy pathing was cheaply done. Big enemies float around in the middle of an attack animation and hit you. The rest of the series don't have that issue. Outside of that, it's still a great game, and the scholar of the first sin edition made it much better.

    It's funny DkS 2 is the only souls game i've beaten twice. The original game on PC, and the Scholar edition on PS4.
    For me Dark Souls 3 is the bottom of the list. It had way too many cheesy enemies that could 1-2 shot you. Some of them where personally harder than the bosses themselves... The repeating of the content while nostalgic, it was also cheap.

    I also don't understand all the hate for the 2nd game. Yes it has cheesy enemies but it's also the game with the most replayability. Last week I found out the spider boss on new game plus shows on the map prior to the boss area, and you have around 45 seconds to hit/beat it before it goes away. The health will remain diminished if you are unsuccessful. That's quite cool. On top of newer enemies and boss fights behaving different or have allies with them.
    Freya is somewhere on the map? Where if you don't mind me asking. Also, is this vanilla or Scholar?
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 3,838
    edited December 2017
    Gorwe said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    For me Dark Souls 3 is the bottom of the list. It had way too many cheesy enemies that could 1-2 shot you. Some of them where personally harder than the bosses themselves... The repeating of the content while nostalgic, it was also cheap.

    I also don't understand all the hate for the 2nd game. Yes it has cheesy enemies but it's also the game with the most replayability. Last week I found out the spider boss on new game plus shows on the map prior to the boss area, and you have around 45 seconds to hit/beat it before it goes away. The health will remain diminished if you are unsuccessful. That's quite cool. On top of newer enemies and boss fights behaving different or have allies with them.
    Freya is somewhere on the map? Where if you don't mind me asking. Also, is this vanilla or Scholar?
    Not sure if it's version specific (I've got Scholar), but she's in the Upper Tseldora Cove just after the boulder traps. Just so you know, I didn't find her myself I was looking at the wiki page and read it there. It must be a new game plus not increasing bonfire intensity.

    You'll know when the controller starts shaking :D

    (Don't quote me on the 45 seconds, apparently it's very hard to impossible to be able to beat her alone in this new encounter)
    Post edited by Bloodaxes on

  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 4,643
    I think what makes Darksouls hard isn't the actual difficulty, as the bosses once you learn the patterns or signals that tell you attacks aren't all that hard. It's the lead up to the areas and lack of bonfires. 3 had quite a few bonfires, but it wasn't frequent enough to resolve the stress of trying to get further without having to track back to where you were. 

    I don't think it's all that cheap either. If you take it slow you tend to be able to get rid of the cheapness. I didn't even end up dying until the third boss in Dark Souls 3, but that's because I cheesed some stuff by kicking enemies off cliffs and the bosses felt kind of easy. But later on you do see quite a ramp up in how difficult it is to get to certain areas. Like right after the big tree boss, if you back track out to the elevator and go into the room with the boreal outrider knight, it's extremely difficult on the first try. He flys at you every possible chance. 

    In Cuphead it's almost all boss fights (except the occasional full level but those aren't all that hard) and you get to basically retry the boss fight over and over instantly. So to me that made the game extremely faster and easier to play than Dark Souls. 

    I think the hardest game I've ever played was any of the Ninja Gaiden 1 - 3 on NES. 
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 1,861
    There's good difficulty and bad difficulty. When a fight becomes difficult because the camera view makes it impossible to see or the combat feedback is poor its bad difficulty, when you get to pay for making mistakes its good difficulty.

    I personally enjoyed Furi, even though it had a few elements that felt cheap.
    AlBQuirky
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  • FangrimFangrim Member UncommonPosts: 610
    I bought Heroes of Might & Magic 2 yesterday from GoG for a pittance, It is without doubt way harder than the fodder served today.
    AlBQuirky


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Haha good one. But some people miss the fact that it's not "instead" but complaining is part of the joy. 
    MadFrenchie
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Btw it's funny to see how most people ignored the point of your post and are focusing on the wrong part! ;)
    MadFrenchie
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 4,558
    edited December 2017
    Fangrim said:
    I bought Heroes of Might & Magic 2 yesterday from GoG for a pittance, It is without doubt way harder than the fodder served today.
    Agreed! I'm amazed at what passes for "hard" these days. I shouldn't be, considering the handholding and "pat-on-the-back" achievements of today. You got through the tutorial? Have an achievement! By the way, the tutorial gets you to level 5. Have another! You "discovered" the POI we placed on your map? Have an "exploration" achievement!

    You want hard? How about games that that did not use the "usual" IRQ/DMA settings? Floppies gone bad. Once you got the game installed, they challenged you. Truly challenged, not just how fast you could click buttons and/or move joysticks. How about the Myst series, where brains were used instead of reflexes?

    Today, the most challenging game for me is the X-Com series, hands down. Haven't played Cuphead or Dark Souls, so have no clue about their "difficulty", but @DMKano's meme is quite subjective, as is my response.
    Post edited by AlBQuirky on

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    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,510
    Fangrim said:
    I bought Heroes of Might & Magic 2 yesterday from GoG for a pittance, It is without doubt way harder than the fodder served today.
    HoM&M II is my favorite from the series.

    Regarding most difficult game:

    XCOM: Terror from the Deep  :#
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    edited December 2017
    Bloodaxes said:
    Gorwe said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    For me Dark Souls 3 is the bottom of the list. It had way too many cheesy enemies that could 1-2 shot you. Some of them where personally harder than the bosses themselves... The repeating of the content while nostalgic, it was also cheap.

    I also don't understand all the hate for the 2nd game. Yes it has cheesy enemies but it's also the game with the most replayability. Last week I found out the spider boss on new game plus shows on the map prior to the boss area, and you have around 45 seconds to hit/beat it before it goes away. The health will remain diminished if you are unsuccessful. That's quite cool. On top of newer enemies and boss fights behaving different or have allies with them.
    Freya is somewhere on the map? Where if you don't mind me asking. Also, is this vanilla or Scholar?
    Not sure if it's version specific (I've got Scholar), but she's in the Upper Tseldora Cove just after the boulder traps. Just so you know, I didn't find her myself I was looking at the wiki page and read it there. It must be a new game plus not increasing bonfire intensity.

    You'll know when the controller starts shaking :D

    (Don't quote me on the 45 seconds, apparently it's very hard to impossible to be able to beat her alone in this new encounter)
    I think those features and changes you talk about are specific to the scholar edition. I was playing the scholar edition at the same time my friend was playing the original game and he didnt see most of the stuff i was seeing at the same spots in the games. Enemy placement was also changed significantly. Scholar has more enemies everywhere in random places.
    Post edited by rojoArcueid on




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    I tend to not complain about the games I play. I have a either play it or dont play it attitude.

    I suspect people who complain about the games they play often complain about everything, its a self inspect that might be worthy. Main reason being, games are a form of voluntary entertainment, its not like its a requirement

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  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,029
    Centurion on the old sega mega drive, damn that game was hard.

  • t0nydt0nyd Member UncommonPosts: 460
    Sword quest on Atari ruined me. I could never figure that shit out.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    SEANMCAD said:
    I tend to not complain about the games I play. I have a either play it or dont play it attitude.

    I suspect people who complain about the games they play often complain about everything, its a self inspect that might be worthy. Main reason being, games are a form of voluntary entertainment, its not like its a requirement

    complaining... yes, i agree the play or don't play attitude applies there. On the other hand, giving critical feedback is totally valid and a different thing. Some people also mix both as being complaining when the game in question is one they like.
    AlBQuirky




  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    Gorwe said:

    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    What are BB elements?



  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,397
    edited December 2017
    Sovrath said:
    Gorwe said:

    Honestly, I preferred DkS 2 to 1. Still, DkS 3 is the Best Souls, no doubt about that. Even though it featured BB elements which are quite out of place in a DkS game. But then again, Yui did his best, it was the other director that done fked up(something Shibuya)! 2 had such potential but didn't reach even quarter of it. And, as always, I stand by my opinion that 2 should've REALLY been ITS OWN GAME. Imagine Dark Souls 2 with increased emphasis on DIRECT storytelling etc. Hell, they even wanted to do that(it's obvious), but got mired in Dark Souls elements. Dark Souls 2 is like my DkS darling. <3
    What are BB elements?
    Bloodborne elements like faster combat and dynamic weapons with special attacks/moves. DkS 2 had some strong attacks with special effects but not really as dynamic as BB and DkS 3. I think they fit nicely in DkS.
    Post edited by rojoArcueid on
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