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Why I went with ESO and not another MMO

TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,312
edited December 2017 in Elder Scrolls Online
I had a hard time choosing between ESO/FFXIV/GW2 and WoW. GW2 for the combat and immersion, the beauty of the world, able to do anything you want (though ESO you can too). WoW for the fun factor. FFXIV for the community.

I love ESO for the story, the voice acting, the quests, also the immersion and (like GW2) able to do anything you want

However, what it came down to...the most annoying game breaking part of any game for me...inventory management. If a game has terrible inventory management, it ruins the game no matter how good it is.

And I had a hard time deciding if I wanted to re-install ESO, or GW2 Path of Fire or re-sub to WoW (which is still installed). Spent a lot of time deciding...and GW2 inventory management is just too much worse than ESO. WoW was my 2nd choice to decide between...but read further...

ESO I have my own guild that I took over from someone who gave me keys for leader. That is an insane amount of guild bank space to store all my stuff. I have tons of stuff in there as a non-member and never have to worry about space barely. On top of that, if I pay next month the subscription I get an infinite sized harvesting bag for more space.

Downside and a caveat...as a free player if you don't own a guild, inventory management is WORSE than in GW2 and the worst MMO I ever played to deal with that. I pick EVERYTHING up, because that is how Elder Scrolls and Fallout games are played...pick everything up. Before I owned a guild, I'd actually have gone with GW2. 

However, look at GW2 inventory space. Limited bag slots, have to buy for one extra bag slot (which is only very very little extra space) and bank spaces are extremely limited and gotta buy a bunch of gems for more bank space. In GW2 I can't even put materials in my bank anymore because its filled up and I never throw anything away. That killed the game for me, because I had all this stuff in my inventory and the guild wars 2 bank is so limited...sure better than ESO as a free player without a guild, but still pretty bad.

Look at WoW. In WoW you can have 12 characters per server. 12 characters can have hexweave bags (4 of them for each character) that have 32 slots in each bag (hexweave bags are biggest bags in WoW). You can then have 8 (or is it 9?) bag slots in each character's personal bank with hexweave bags. 11 of those characters can have their own guild (well all 12 can, but I like to have my main character in an actual guild) and each guild they own can have tons of space. On top of that there are special "vaults" (forgot what they are called, nethervaults or something) that you can put even more stuff in. WoW you can literally have thousands and thousands of items and materials, probably 10s of thousands with how much materials (like ore/cloth etc) stack.

GW2 doesn't even come close to how much inventory you get in WoW, even if you pay a bunch of money to unlock banks and bag slots

ESO however has a neat feature you get when you pay monthly. Lets ignore WoW's 11 guild banks, lets ignore WoW's 12 character personal bank, lets ignore 12 character x4 bag space.

Nothing beats what I am about to reveal to you all.

 An infinite sized harvesting bag.

Which means you can actually have MORE items than you can in WoW. You can loot as much craftable items as possible and put them in a neverending bag space. You can have one million ore and still put harvestable items into it. You can have 10 million pieces of cloth and still have more room. An infinite sized harvesting bag.

And that is why I went with ESO...plus hey the story/voice acting/immersion is great too :)

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 2,955
    ESO is great as you describe, but it still lacks proper housing sure you spend a ton of in game cash to buy a house, then do what have it to look pretty never even go there 99% of the time because it offers no bonus like EXP, Skill, Crafting /Harvesting Bonus, or even ability to store items so its really useless.

    Sure you can throw down some crafting stations but you can't get these in the cash shop so what's the point?
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 8,082
    I also hate inventory management.  I don't play Aion to this day because when I login I have a ton of inventory to price and research before I know to vendor it or sell in the auction house.

    The thing I like about GW2 is the auction house is always with you for selling items and it's very easy to price based on already listed items being listed for you without have to do extra searches.  So a few mins. and my inventory is cleared, plus it's very easy to tell junk from something that should be auctioned.  Crafting items get a lot of space which makes that easy for me to manage.  I agree that HoT and PoF are a pain and usually just delete what I can.

    ESO has good inventory and bank space is a little expensive but it's easy to buy after awhile.  Guild auction houses are not intuitive for me but overall, inventory is manageable.  

    No inventory problems is D2 as it's easy to deconstruct stuff and keep inventory clear.

    The Division takes time as a lot of gear takes time to go through and decide what kinds of gear sets you will run or upgrade or might want to keep for future use.  This can take some time.

    In short GW2 has the best inventory system which is the easiest for me to manage in the shortest amount of time spent.


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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,312
    edited December 2017
    Renoaku said:
    ESO is great as you describe, but it still lacks proper housing sure you spend a ton of in game cash to buy a house, then do what have it to look pretty never even go there 99% of the time because it offers no bonus like EXP, Skill, Crafting /Harvesting Bonus, or even ability to store items so its really useless.

    Sure you can throw down some crafting stations but you can't get these in the cash shop so what's the point?
    yeah, that is the problem a lot of new MMOs have is a limited housing system. EQ2/WildStar/SWG/UO are probably the best ones. But GW2 has their guild thing and personal zone but I never bothered using personal space. WoW actually did their "personal" zone better in Legion than GW2 imo (though thats just my opinion), and it was still better than GW2 in WoD though WoD could be argued made the game worse.

    ESO more reminds me of LOTRO housing from what I've partaked in it. Seems kinda similar. LOTRO housing isn't that great either, can't really customize your home except on pre-placed hooks in LOTRO.

    That is one thing so many MMOs do though is forget about the housing element. There are really only 4 MMOs I can think of that actually do really great housing. I guess Vanguard Saga of Heroes was really decent as well and at least in Vanguard it was out in the world...and it was like a huge quest just to get a house built lol.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,312
    I also hate inventory management.  I don't play Aion to this day because when I login I have a ton of inventory to price and research before I know to vendor it or sell in the auction house.

    The thing I like about GW2 is the auction house is always with you for selling items and it's very easy to price based on already listed items being listed for you without have to do extra searches.  So a few mins. and my inventory is cleared, plus it's very easy to tell junk from something that should be auctioned.  Crafting items get a lot of space which makes that easy for me to manage.  I agree that HoT and PoF are a pain and usually just delete what I can.

    ESO has good inventory and bank space is a little expensive but it's easy to buy after awhile.  Guild auction houses are not intuitive for me but overall, inventory is manageable.  

    No inventory problems is D2 as it's easy to deconstruct stuff and keep inventory clear.

    The Division takes time as a lot of gear takes time to go through and decide what kinds of gear sets you will run or upgrade or might want to keep for future use.  This can take some time.

    In short GW2 has the best inventory system which is the easiest for me to manage in the shortest amount of time spent.


    oh boy Aion lol...that was actually probably the worst I played as far as inventory management goes. I forgot about that.

    Yeah GW2 auction house is a lot better. ESO guild traders feel kinda...well...meh...

    I'd rather have a broker system, or a trade stall system like in some Asian MMOs (which in Skyrim there were "trade stalls" where merchants had their shop at, so it would have fit ESO really well) or just a flat out actual AH. There are addons that kinda fix it, but its a complicated workaround and still not that great.

    Dunno why they didn't do at least trade stalls and come up with dumb guild traders. Skyrim has trade stalls like I said, so why didn't they do that lol. Guess maybe they wanted a more focus on guilds, but that is the worst part of ESO. The rest of the game is fine though for me, but I think the guild traders ruins it for a lot of people.

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  • heerobyaheerobya Member UncommonPosts: 465
    I really can't stand the combat in ESO...

    Just so... floaty?

    And the character models... they've got no "style" or character like they do in WoW/GW2/FFXIV.

    I'm not playing anything right now, outside of some random ESO on XB1 from time to time...

    Man do I wish for FFXIV to come to Switch or XB1.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,312
    heerobya said:
    I really can't stand the combat in ESO...

    Just so... floaty?

    And the character models... they've got no "style" or character like they do in WoW/GW2/FFXIV.

    I'm not playing anything right now, outside of some random ESO on XB1 from time to time...

    Man do I wish for FFXIV to come to Switch or XB1.
    combat is pretty similar to me as it is in Skyrim. Skyrim is VERY floaty combat. Definitely wouldn't play Elder Scrolls for the "amazing" combat lol.

    The only thing Skyrim does better is archery. Skyrim has awesome archery. I mean mount and blade warband has better archery, but it has better melee combat...it is a lot older too lol. Bethesda doesn't put much focus into combat sadly. I guess maybe they will in next Elder Scrolls? They put all the focus into fallout 4 with combat.

    And character models are way better than Skyrim...I mean...modded Skyrim has beautiful characters and far better combat, but that is because its modded. Otherwise, to me ESO characters look better than Skyrim (ignoring mods) and combat is the same (but worse archery). 

    Maybe that is just opinion since people like how different things look...but vanilla Skyrim has the fugliest characters I've seen in a modern game. Better than oblivion, but anything is better than potato heads rofl
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 7,754
    edited December 2017
    The reason why I'm playing ESO is that no other theme park MMORPG on the market gives the kind of freedom in both character development and exploration than ESO gives, and also because all pseudo-sandbox MMORPGs are indie crap that sucks donkey ass and/or are PvP gankfests and/or have a setting I don't enjoy (EvE) and/or are just too old and outdated (UO).

    "One Tamriel" changed this game from "just another theme park" to "an awesome, unique game". Feels like a world, even though it's a theme park. Something rare nowadays.

    EDIT2: I just wanted to add that I'm one of those "old school" players who doesn't mind paying a subscription for a good game. I'm not part of that new "give me everything for free" generation. So I have ESO+, and I can enjoy the game to its fullest without having to worry about annoying parts like storage. $15 per month is just the price of one 2 hour movie at the theater... and I get much more entertainment out of ESO.
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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 665
    edited December 2017
    The reason why I'm playing ESO is that no other theme park MMORPG on the market gives the kind of freedom in both character development and exploration than ESO gives, and also because all pseudo-sandbox MMORPGs are indie crap that sucks donkey ass and/or are PvP gankfests and/or have a setting I don't enjoy (EvE).

    "One Tamriel" changed this game from "just another theme park" to "an awesome, unique game".
    I have to say, while I'm personally not a fan of ESO (for my own reasons which I won't bring up), I have to completely agree. ESO offers the best horizontal "progression" and character development on the market. One Tamriel really did make ESO much, much better.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,312
    The reason why I'm playing ESO is that no other theme park MMORPG on the market gives the kind of freedom in both character development and exploration than ESO gives, and also because all pseudo-sandbox MMORPGs are indie crap that sucks donkey ass and/or are PvP gankfests and/or have a setting I don't enjoy (EvE) and/or are just too old and outdated (UO).

    "One Tamriel" changed this game from "just another theme park" to "an awesome, unique game". Feels like a world, even though it's a theme park. Something rare nowadays.
    Yeah, One Tamriel actually did make the game a lot better. Its how I kinda wished GW2 have done it. Instead of downleveling, you uplevel...so like in GW2, at level 1 you can't take part in expansions or go anywhere you please. So until you are max level, there is no point in having the expansions.

    In ESO, you can literally go anywhere and do anything. Buy morrowind? Can go to morrowind right at level 1. 

    And even if you are max level in ESO, going to a "level 1" place still offers a challenge. The only thing different is better items, but there is still quite a challenge.

    ESO is pretty much a sandpark, when it used to be a themepark.

    Though only complaint I have...a lot of the DLCs are better to use at max level. If I do the dark brotherhood quest line, my brotherhood blade+armor doesn't scale as I level. Unless I missed that part. But I remember when I played before, I got a higher level and my blade didn't scale with me. Did they fix that? Or was mine bugged?
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,403
    I just wish the auction house system wasn't so terrible. I think the guild part is alright, but the UI is garbage. 
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 7,754

    ESO is pretty much a sandpark, when it used to be a themepark.
    That's how I would define the game too.

    Celcius said:
    I just wish the auction house system wasn't so terrible. I think the guild part is alright, but the UI is garbage. 
    Agreed on that.
    This site makes things much better though:
    https://tamrieltradecentre.com/
    No need to say that I have their addon and software installed to support their site.
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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 5,456
    ESO sucks balls to me. It's just...something in it makes it super tedious to even think about. I'm not even such a big fan of TES(besides the beautiful world ; otherwise I found much more suiting games).
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  • majimaji Member UncommonPosts: 2,091
    I like GW2 in general, but knowing that when logging in I'd have to spend hours sorting my inventory to be able to do anything ensures that I won't even try.

    Currently I'm not playing any MMORPG. Sometimes I consider to get back into WoW or ESO, but then I rather stick to other good games at hand.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member EpicPosts: 15,202
    maji said:
    I like GW2 in general, but knowing that when logging in I'd have to spend hours sorting my inventory to be able to do anything ensures that I won't even try.

    Currently I'm not playing any MMORPG. Sometimes I consider to get back into WoW or ESO, but then I rather stick to other good games at hand.
    Funny you mention sorting inventory,i had that same problem with EQ2,i had so much crap to sort everyday with idk was something like 8 large bags to sort.I sometimes would login and feel,man i don't want to spend an hour sorting before i can even play and would just logout.

    That was maybe my only real peeve was the game had too much quantity and not enough quality,but most games are like that and most are worse.

    btw ,i quit TESO in the first 20 minutes,perhaps i did not see enough to justify but what i did see turned me off because i could see a developer who doesn't "get it".GW2 was the same,i did try and go much further to give that game imo way too good a chance and it just failed badly,it looked to be designed very cheaply "under the hood".

    The entire genre to me has been spewing out games that look more like "let's just whip out a game to start making money" than anything serious.
    NOTHING has looked like a game where the designer could honestly say "man this is a game i want to play"of course they would say that to the press but not truthfully.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,906
    edited December 2017
    I've been playing ESO for 3 nearly 4 years because it's the best current Western real MMORPG.

    It has warts of course but its annoyances are tolerable. 

    Since I started playing it I gave both Archage and BDO a shot to draw me away but I didn't last more than a couple of months in either. Their annoyances annoyed me more.
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,484
    edited December 2017
    maji said:
    I like GW2 in general, but knowing that when logging in I'd have to spend hours sorting my inventory to be able to do anything ensures that I won't even try.

    Currently I'm not playing any MMORPG. Sometimes I consider to get back into WoW or ESO, but then I rather stick to other good games at hand.
    thats weird, it takes 2 seconds to sort my whole inventory in GW2, including sending all crafting materials to the collectible storage. Maybe you missed the little button on the top right side of the inventory?

    Also, you can craft bags for specific types of items, and bags that automatically fill up with only trash items.

    I find that inventory system one of the few easiest to handle.

    As for ESO, i like it but i stopped at the end of Orcinium and haven't picked it up again.
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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 5,456
    Wizardry said:
    maji said:
    I like GW2 in general, but knowing that when logging in I'd have to spend hours sorting my inventory to be able to do anything ensures that I won't even try.

    Currently I'm not playing any MMORPG. Sometimes I consider to get back into WoW or ESO, but then I rather stick to other good games at hand.
    Funny you mention sorting inventory,i had that same problem with EQ2,i had so much crap to sort everyday with idk was something like 8 large bags to sort.I sometimes would login and feel,man i don't want to spend an hour sorting before i can even play and would just logout.

    That was maybe my only real peeve was the game had too much quantity and not enough quality,but most games are like that and most are worse.

    btw ,i quit TESO in the first 20 minutes,perhaps i did not see enough to justify but what i did see turned me off because i could see a developer who doesn't "get it".GW2 was the same,i did try and go much further to give that game imo way too good a chance and it just failed badly,it looked to be designed very cheaply "under the hood".

    The entire genre to me has been spewing out games that look more like "let's just whip out a game to start making money" than anything serious.
    NOTHING has looked like a game where the designer could honestly say "man this is a game i want to play"of course they would say that to the press but not truthfully.
    What do you mean by "designed very cheaply under the hood"?
  • psychosiz1psychosiz1 Member UncommonPosts: 144
    GW2 has the easiest inventory system of all the games you mentioned imo. 

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 7,754
    edited December 2017
    Iselin said:

    It has warts of course but its annoyances are tolerable. 

    Honestly, I'd have two major complains about TESO:

    1) The trading system, while looking good on paper, sucks donkey ass. Thanks to the Tamriel trading website which makes it bearable.

    2) Zones and loading at each door. I'd have preferred a seamless world. Like GW2, the zones are huge so it's bearable, but it definitely feels strange in 2017 to have zones.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,388
    maji said:
    I like GW2 in general, but knowing that when logging in I'd have to spend hours sorting my inventory to be able to do anything ensures that I won't even try.

    Currently I'm not playing any MMORPG. Sometimes I consider to get back into WoW or ESO, but then I rather stick to other good games at hand.
    thats weird, it takes 2 seconds to sort my whole inventory in GW2, including sending all crafting materials to the collectible storage. Maybe you missed the little button on the top right side of the inventory?

    Also, you can craft bags for specific types of items, and bags that automatically fill up with only trash items.

    I find that inventory system one of the few easiest to handle.

    As for ESO, i like it but i stopped at the end of Orcinium and haven't picked it up again.
    In GW2 my bank is full (its very small and shared between all toons), most of the time I can't put any more materials into the crafting inventory (no more space), and my fully upgraded bags on all toons are full of loot boxes. Then you open a loot box and inside are another couple of boxes, lol.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,447
    edited December 2017
    Iselin said:
    I've been playing ESO for 3 nearly 4 years because it's the best current Western real MMORPG.

    It has warts of course but its annoyances are tolerable. 

    Since I started playing it I gave both Archage and BDO a shot to draw me away but I didn't last more than a couple of months in either. Their annoyances annoyed me more.
    Meh....I want to play a MMORPG where my primary weapons are the combat shotgun and .50 caliber sniper rifle. ;)

    Sticking with Fallout 4 for now.

    I should probably look into Foxhole, still in early access  however

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,906
    Kyleran said:
    Iselin said:
    I've been playing ESO for 3 nearly 4 years because it's the best current Western real MMORPG.

    It has warts of course but its annoyances are tolerable. 

    Since I started playing it I gave both Archage and BDO a shot to draw me away but I didn't last more than a couple of months in either. Their annoyances annoyed me more.
    Meh....I want to play a MMORPG where my primary weapons are the combat shotgun and .50 caliber sniper rifle. ;)

    Sticking with Fallout 4 for now.

    I should probably look into Foxhole, still in early access  however

    I played the crap out of Fallout 4 when it first came out. I loved it 'cause I'm the kind of guy who can never settle down...
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,532
    heerobya said:
    I really can't stand the combat in ESO...

    Just so... floaty?

    And the character models... they've got no "style" or character like they do in WoW/GW2/FFXIV.

    I'm not playing anything right now, outside of some random ESO on XB1 from time to time...

    Man do I wish for FFXIV to come to Switch or XB1.
    combat is pretty similar to me as it is in Skyrim. Skyrim is VERY floaty combat. Definitely wouldn't play Elder Scrolls for the "amazing" combat lol.

    The only thing Skyrim does better is archery. Skyrim has awesome archery. I mean mount and blade warband has better archery, but it has better melee combat...it is a lot older too lol. Bethesda doesn't put much focus into combat sadly. I guess maybe they will in next Elder Scrolls? They put all the focus into fallout 4 with combat.

    And character models are way better than Skyrim...I mean...modded Skyrim has beautiful characters and far better combat, but that is because its modded. Otherwise, to me ESO characters look better than Skyrim (ignoring mods) and combat is the same (but worse archery). 

    Maybe that is just opinion since people like how different things look...but vanilla Skyrim has the fugliest characters I've seen in a modern game. Better than oblivion, but anything is better than potato heads rofl
    huh. I still play skyrim regularly and I disagree. Skryim combat has more weight. A lot more weight. It has more weight as you run and certainly more weight during a fight.

    I agree that Mount and Blade has "better" combat than skyrim.

    How the models look is up to interpretation. I mean, because it's an mmo you have armor that is texture and that moves as your character breathes. Skyrim doesn't have that but that's because it can get away with it as a single player games.

    "Better looking"? Well, in some ways Elder Scrolls Online has prettier characters I suppose.




  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 665
    edited December 2017
    Having said all the lovely things about ESO, I do have to say that the only thing that *truly* got under my skin about the game is the inability to customize my character's armor appearance. There is no transmog/social armor option, so you're pretty much stuck with mis-matched armor if you get drops, have to recraft constantly as you level, or be "sub-optimal" by using crafted sets endgame. At least, that is what I was lead to believe when I played.

    Which is a shame, really, because the game's crafting system and armor variety is actually quite astounding. However, I could just never come to grips with not being able to make my character look the way I wanted.

    This, above all else, bothered me. Which is saying a lot, because its actually a fairly minor issue.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,388
    Having said all the lovely things about ESO, I do have to say that the only thing that *truly* got under my skin about the game is the inability to customize my character's armor appearance. There is no transmog/social armor option, so you're pretty much stuck with mis-matched armor if you get drops, have to recraft constantly as you level, or be "sub-optimal" by using crafted sets endgame. At least, that is what I was lead to believe when I played.

    Which is a shame, really, because the game's crafting system and armor variety is actually quite astounding. However, I could just never come to grips with not being able to make my character look the way I wanted.

    This, above all else, bothered me. Which is saying a lot, because its actually a fairly minor issue.
    Yeah there is an amazing diversity of armor styles to learn, but then I am stuck with the ugly monster helm sets ;( kind of wrecks my "look".
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