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Pre-Alpha Starts Today!

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  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,734
    Nilden said:
    Kyleran said:
    Xthos said:
    Ozmodan said:
    No such thing as a pre-alpha!  So many of you are so gullible.  

    Well, they are doing it, and some people are testing it.  I guess we are supposed to believe it is all lies?!
    Some people don't know what they are talking about.

    "A development status given to a program or application that is usually not feature complete, and is not usually released to the public. Developers are usually still deciding on what features the program should have at this status. This status comes before the alpha version, and is the first status given to a program."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

    Yeah and as soon as they start formal testing it's in alpha.

    There is some pretty obvious ignorance going on regarding the software release life cycle.

    First thing, that's Wikipedia, sorry, but it's not like that is official....But I decided I would play along, I typed in pre-alpha into a browser, the very first thing that popped up was:

    ****

    Pre-Alpha is a standard term to denote a number of interim milestones between prototyping and alpha, each of which includes new functionality and/or game content. Pre-alphas often mandate incremented improvements on a number of parallel areas in a project, but rarely expect any one of those areas to be complete.

    *****

    That sounds exactly like where they said they were in the game.  One guy said no such thing as pre-alpha, now pre-alpha has to mean what Wikipedia says, and if we don't agree, we are ignorant....  Find all the links you want, I can find a link to refute it, in the end, what does it matter what they are calling it?  They can call it pre-marshmellow lucky charm days, they told people what state the game is in, a lot of content is not done or in.  They have a limited budget, and they are not going to pay testers at this stage.  They have a lot of people with experience in development, and they have some people that paid a good deal of money (which helps the game development).  They never said they are relying on these people solely, and they still have alpha and beta.  I don't think anyone is human resourcing testers anymore, for the most part.  I would be surprised if they don't have a couple people on staff that they are trusting to help with this, and they would be paid testers, but for the majority of the testers, this isn't the case.

    People are acting like Pantheon not paying testers made them lose their job.  Would I like it more, if they could hire 100 people that are 'professionals' to test things and had 200 people to help fix what is found and add stuff...Sure, but that isn't going to happen.  I am not a tester, I did donate to the original kickstarter (like $50-75, can't remember, and I had never done that before or since), but since it failed, I actually didn't.

    I really like the concept of the game, sub only, no cash shop (I will settle for appearance only, and no drop, but no shop is great, if it sticks), large open world dungeons...etc..  I am tired of playing p2w or a mmo that feels like a lobby game.  So I hope they pull it off.  They didn't make anyone donate, and if some guy makes 6-7 figures and isn't going to overly miss $1k, thank you for donating and helping with the funds to hopefully make the game better.  The game I play now, some people in it drop multiple hundreds to thousands a month to p2w, I prefer Pantheon's taking in money atm.

    Kiori001
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,069
    There are no ISO-standards when it comes to alpha/beta numerations which means that then can call it whatever they want.

    Judge things on what you see instead of what people call it.
    gervaise1
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • Ronald88Ronald88 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Are the players under NDA ?
  • KilsinKilsin Member RarePosts: 507
    Ronald88 said:
    Are the players under NDA ?
    Yes.
    MrMelGibson

    Community & Web Manager | Visionary Realms, Inc.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,479
    I'm just happy there is a pre-Alpha for people to argue about. That was never guaranteed. This game could easily have not made it this far. Thank goodness it did. 
    KilsinDullahanRhoklawglakunsPhoebesMrMelGibson

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    Wizardry said:
    Yes because those dumb enough to hand over free money are the ones i want testing games.
    You are without a doubt the Eeyore of the mmorpg.com forums.
    DullahanScorchienKyleranSovrathMrMelGibson
  • scooby1971scooby1971 Member UncommonPosts: 17
    edited January 2018


    A single server in pre-alpha means - extremely limited number of players, which is why it's $1000



    *Updated - The lowest price for buy in pre-alpha is now $10,000
      

    glakuns
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,414
    This is good news , great to see them taking this step forward in development...

     
    Kilsingervaise1
  • noll1ngtonnoll1ngton Member UncommonPosts: 32
    Dullahan said:
    They've said openly this will be very traditional game testing. 

    I remember when traditional game testing was.
    Internal testing
    Friends and family testing
    sign ups for alpha keys 
    Alpha testing
    Sign ups for beta testing 
    Beta testing
    Open beta for everyone
    Release

    Now it seems to be more about
    no internal testing
    release early access payment bundles at various over prices prices
    Have pre alpha testing
    pre alpha testing 2
    New packs and new items for cash announced
    Micro transaction store announced
    Beta 1
    Beta 2
    Beta 3 
    (all still requiring more than a released games actual price to test)
    Add more items to micro transaction currency shop
    Pre order + bonuses 
    Pre order early test
    Last chance early bird pre orders
    few days headstart
    release (usually with half the content promised in the game description dont added yet and will be dlc later)
    PhoebesWarlyx
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    Actually traditional testing was internal, friends and family, and pro (paid) testers. Players didn't get in until the final phases to uncover elusive bugs, performance issues and server stress testing.

    Pantheon has and will have all of that, but as an indie company will not be able to hire a lot of people just to test the game. As someone who knows many of the people who have pre-alpha access, I have not met a single person who pledge for access. It was to make the game a reality.

    If you are pledging solely for early access, you are making a mistake.
    Sovrathdcutbi001


  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,526
    Pre-this , Pre-That ... and by the time of 2020 , we might have a Closed Beta.

    ..and people were/are crying over Blizzard development time-frame , lol .

    Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    As mentioned this (hopefully) is good news.

    As to testing it depends on the game.

    For example GW1's testing that started back in 2004 I think was - something like - two short (weekend) pre-pre-alpha tests for people who volunteered about a month apart. Then they sold - sold! - pre-launch boxes for $10. These gave people a) $5 discount off the game if they bought it b) access to further "test weekends" that ran monthly. Exact details may be a little different but it was something like that anyway.

    At the other end of the spectrum DDO had a single, short stress test and then launched.

    With other games falling inbetween.

    For those supporting Pantheon this, hopefully, is a good thing. Which, hopefully, will in time lead to people not currently supporting Pantheon to have the option of partaking in it.








  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,526
    gervaise1 said:
    As mentioned this (hopefully) is good news.

    As to testing it depends on the game.

    For example GW1's testing that started back in 2004 I think was - something like - two short (weekend) pre-pre-alpha tests for people who volunteered about a month apart. Then they sold - sold! - pre-launch boxes for $10. These gave people a) $5 discount off the game if they bought it b) access to further "test weekends" that ran monthly. Exact details may be a little different but it was something like that anyway.

    At the other end of the spectrum DDO had a single, short stress test and then launched.

    With other games falling inbetween.

    For those supporting Pantheon this, hopefully, is a good thing. Which, hopefully, will in time lead to people not currently supporting Pantheon to have the option of partaking in it.








    What?

    Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
    Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!

  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,997
    IceAge said:
    Pre-this , Pre-That ... and by the time of 2020 , we might have a Closed Beta.

    ..and people were/are crying over Blizzard development time-frame , lol .
    What?

    You stay sassy!

  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    Geeky said:
    Can't wait to hear some "rumors". 

    Seriously, looking forward to some of the next streams.
    Seriously? Don't bother. It's never ever worth the price. 
    Tamanoussvann
  • LeFantomeLeFantome Member RarePosts: 644
    Kilsin said:
    Ronald88 said:
    Are the players under NDA ?
    Yes.

    Sorry but No. We are not.

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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    LeFantome said:
    Kilsin said:
    Ronald88 said:
    Are the players under NDA ?
    Yes.

    Sorry but No. We are not.
    Did you just tell the community manager of Visionary Realms there is no NDA? lol
    Kyleranscooby1971KilsinMrMelGibson
  • scooby1971scooby1971 Member UncommonPosts: 17
    It is under NDA, most likely why the price of PRE-ALPHA is high to lower the chance of a leak.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 3,065
    edited January 2018
    It is under NDA, most likely why the price of PRE-ALPHA is high to lower the chance of a leak.
    GL with that tho

    what classes are avaliable in the "pre-alpha"?
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    Warlyx said:
    It is under NDA, most likely why the price of PRE-ALPHA is high to lower the chance of a leak.
    GL with that tho

    what classes are avaliable in the "pre-alpha"?
    Probably the ones used in the streams. Rogue , Shaman , Fighter , Wizard?
  • Mackaveli44Mackaveli44 Member RarePosts: 655
    IceAge said:
    Pre-this , Pre-That ... and by the time of 2020 , we might have a Closed Beta.

    ..and people were/are crying over Blizzard development time-frame , lol .
    Can't compare apples to oranges.  1 team has hundreds of millions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars and established while the other is just starting out. 

    I hope they take time to make a good game.  Not have it rushed out like Vanguard did from the Publisher cause they wanted money
  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,997
    IceAge said:
    Pre-this , Pre-That ... and by the time of 2020 , we might have a Closed Beta.

    ..and people were/are crying over Blizzard development time-frame , lol .
    Can't compare apples to oranges.  1 team has hundreds of millions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars and established while the other is just starting out. 

    I hope they take time to make a good game.  Not have it rushed out like Vanguard did from the Publisher cause they wanted money
    Ya this tread baffles me. People clearly still can't wrap their head around how crowd funding works and leap on their SJW soap box to berate something that doesn't affect them in the least. These new indie made mmorpgs in development also have roughly the same or even smaller teams than early gen mmorgs had so it's the return to older style game testing where each stage is an important mile stone and should rightly get fans of the game excited.

    It doesn't matter what this stage of testing is called ... it only matters that it's a move toward turning the game concept into a more playable product. This is good news.

    You stay sassy!

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    IceAge said:
    gervaise1 said:
    As mentioned this (hopefully) is good news.

    As to testing it depends on the game.

    For example GW1's testing that started back in 2004 I think was - something like - two short (weekend) pre-pre-alpha tests for people who volunteered about a month apart. Then they sold - sold! - pre-launch boxes for $10. These gave people a) $5 discount off the game if they bought it b) access to further "test weekends" that ran monthly. Exact details may be a little different but it was something like that anyway.

    At the other end of the spectrum DDO had a single, short stress test and then launched.

    With other games falling inbetween.

    For those supporting Pantheon this, hopefully, is a good thing. Which, hopefully, will in time lead to people not currently supporting Pantheon to have the option of partaking in it.








    What?
    Different games have used different types of testing for years.

    For those supporting Pantheon this is a good thing; for those not currently supporting Pantheon maybe it will finish and launch one day and then they will have the option of buying it. If it all goes well etc.
  • KumaponKumapon Member RarePosts: 1,346
    Warlyx said:
    It is under NDA, most likely why the price of PRE-ALPHA is high to lower the chance of a leak.
    GL with that tho

    what classes are avaliable in the "pre-alpha"?
    There is a tight NDA, and I would assume, if you did pay $1,000, you're not too keen on getting your access revoked. It's not hard to track players with pre-alpha accounts. 
    Kyleran
  • LasterbaLasterba Member UncommonPosts: 135
    Raxeon said:
    what an absurd price to get into pre alpha
    This is basically a long term kickstarter reward.  At the $1000 tier you get access to pre-alpha.


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