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  • RaquisRaquis Member UncommonPosts: 930
    That knight has got a little bit of an attitude,maybe daddy issues,lol;)
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member UncommonPosts: 565

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,119
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Hashbrick said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    ananit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Aeander said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    wait another fantasy based game...sweet Jesus worse then 'survival games'
    It's almost as if fantasy is an entire genre with multiple subgenres based on centuries of human history or something.
    lol...'sub genre'....not really 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantasy_genres
    sub genres of the fantasy genre of games almost literally mean nothing more than an avatar change.

    its all the same tired old shit, fight mobs
    Just like your posts, the same old tired shit of going against the grain all the time with nothing constructive to say
    I think it is productive to point out to other people that the fantasy genre is over done, would you like to know why I think its productive?
    oh it seems that today is the day that you and I just don't agree and we go back and forth.

    However, I can at least acknowledge that the fantasy genre is done a lot. But it's not "overdone" as that is the only genre I ever buy for the most part. I never stick with science fiction (unless it's a 4x game) and horror is a tough one for developers to get right.

    Most likely others but they never interest me. So point being, I think there are a lot of other people in the same boat.
    Sorry I was looking for an answer to my question not someone diverting. I dont mind people interjecting but I would perfer they at least ponder the quesiton
    Hey you made a statement it's perfectly fine for people to comment on that statement.

    Also "sub genres" are different as far as tone, the world, how the characters interact with that world.

    Otherwise no matter what genre it is you are going to be "fighting mobs".
    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no

    Yes, by all means, please share ...
    Noooo, thats like inviting a vampire to come in your house.  :o

    Now all of the life of the OP will be sucked dry.

    Where did I put my garlic and holy water.?

    ;)
    I thought we were friends ;(
    We are, did I misquote you or something?
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    SEANMCAD said:

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!
    Nah, you pretty much made this one up.

    I'm not saying that more variety is needed on the mmorpg sector but if someone is enjoying themselves doing whatever it is they are doing, there's no reason they need to change just because someone says it's going to be a detriment.

    Heck, it reminds me of when I was a kid and my mother made me go outside for 30 minutes. I didn't want to as I was busy with my own little project. I sat on the stoop, waited it out and then came back in.

    People know what they want to do and if they weren't enjoying themselves they would find something else to do.

    Additionally, you discount their own stories in their head as they are roaming the world "killing monsters".

    Also, some people grind but they are talking with clanmates and having a blast doing so.

    The world is filled with too many people making proclamations about what is good or bad for people. It's pretty judgmental, and not a really good way to be.
    Torval



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!
    Nah, you pretty much made this one up.

    I'm not saying that more variety is needed on the mmorpg sector but if someone is enjoying themselves doing whatever it is they are doing, there's no reason they need to change just because someone says it's going to be a detriment.

    Heck, it reminds me of when I was a kid and my mother made me go outside for 30 minutes. I didn't want to as I was busy with my own little project. I sat on the stoop, waited it out and then came back in.

    People know what they want to do and if they weren't enjoying themselves they would find something else to do.

    Additionally, you discount their own stories in their head as they are roaming the world "killing monsters".

    Also, some people grind but they are talking with clanmates and having a blast doing so.

    The world is filled with too many people making proclamations about what is good or bad for people. It's pretty judgmental, and not a really good way to be.
    there is some truth to that however its fairly well known that if you dont expand your horizons ever then you never know if you like something or not.

    but to be fair to you, I am treading on grounds that is unwarrented and in some respects unhealthy for me to be doing. so I drop it :)

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!
    Nah, you pretty much made this one up.

    I'm not saying that more variety is needed on the mmorpg sector but if someone is enjoying themselves doing whatever it is they are doing, there's no reason they need to change just because someone says it's going to be a detriment.

    Heck, it reminds me of when I was a kid and my mother made me go outside for 30 minutes. I didn't want to as I was busy with my own little project. I sat on the stoop, waited it out and then came back in.

    People know what they want to do and if they weren't enjoying themselves they would find something else to do.

    Additionally, you discount their own stories in their head as they are roaming the world "killing monsters".

    Also, some people grind but they are talking with clanmates and having a blast doing so.

    The world is filled with too many people making proclamations about what is good or bad for people. It's pretty judgmental, and not a really good way to be.
    there is some truth to that however its fairly well known that if you dont expand your horizons ever then you never know if you like something or not.

    but to be fair to you, I am treading on grounds that is unwarrented and in some respects unhealthy for me to be doing. so I drop it :)
    I get your point and at the core I agree but it's more expansive than that as I said above. Expanding one's horizons takes place outside of video games. So if someone ski's, takes oil painting classes, does yoga, and plays the piano, and also plays grinding mmo's, I think it can be safe to assume that they are experiencing a variety of different things.

    If one "just" logs into a video game, every day, for hours and hours and does nothing else but grind mobs then "yes" that's a problem.



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2017
    Sovrath said:

    there is some truth to that however its fairly well known that if you dont expand your horizons ever then you never know if you like something or not.

    but to be fair to you, I am treading on grounds that is unwarrented and in some respects unhealthy for me to be doing. so I drop it :)
    I get your point and at the core I agree but it's more expansive than that as I said above. Expanding one's horizons takes place outside of video games. So if someone ski's, takes oil painting classes, does yoga, and plays the piano, and also plays grinding mmo's, I think it can be safe to assume that they are experiencing a variety of different things.

    If one "just" logs into a video game, every day, for hours and hours and does nothing else but grind mobs then "yes" that's a problem.
    on that I completely disagree.

    one doesnt just eat a hamburger and say 'ok I have eaten food now, whats next'?
    one doesnt just drink one bottle of crappy red wine and then figure they have experienced wine and its time to move on.

    OF COURSE! expanding your horizons also can mean playing different kinds of games.

    but its also true that if one has a varied life and one small part of it happens to be playing video game then yeah I can get that.

    But at the core my gut tells me hardcore gamers who post on gaming forums are dedicated to gaming and I never can understand why they want to play the same limited simple forumla over and over and over again and my gut also tell me that despite me having facts, I think they are in a rut and see the world as it really is not.

    BUT...its also not my place to judge

    EDIT: case in point, casinos. I completely and totally do not get the appeal, to me its anyoying and unbearably boring but who am I to say those people are unhealthy. So your right more than wrong
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:

    there is some truth to that however its fairly well known that if you dont expand your horizons ever then you never know if you like something or not.

    but to be fair to you, I am treading on grounds that is unwarrented and in some respects unhealthy for me to be doing. so I drop it :)
    I get your point and at the core I agree but it's more expansive than that as I said above. Expanding one's horizons takes place outside of video games. So if someone ski's, takes oil painting classes, does yoga, and plays the piano, and also plays grinding mmo's, I think it can be safe to assume that they are experiencing a variety of different things.

    If one "just" logs into a video game, every day, for hours and hours and does nothing else but grind mobs then "yes" that's a problem.
    on that I completely disagree.

    one doesnt just eat a hamburger and say 'ok I have eaten food now, whats next'?
    one doesnt just drink one bottle of crappy red wine and then figure they have experienced wine and its time to move on.

    OF COURSE! expanding your horizons also can mean playing different kinds of games.

    but its also true that if one has a varied life and one small part of it happens to be playing video game then yeah I can get that.

    But at the core my gut tells me hardcore gamers who post on gaming forums are dedicated to gaming and I never can understand why they want to play the same limited simple forumla over and over and over again and my gut also tell me that despite me having facts, I think they are in a rut and see the world as it really is not.

    BUT...its also not my place to judge
    The food analogy doesn't really fit. No one "just eats one hamburger and says they have now experienced food". They always need to eat and in truth, will have to have a varied diet in order to be healthy.

    You are trying to equate video games with nutrition and since all sorts of things can equal "mental nutrition" one does not have to vary their video game habits.

    Also, you can't go by your "gut" because you are only seeing it through your own lens which is informed by your upbringing.

    You say you don't understand why players do this and therefore the only answer is that they are in a rut because it fits your world view.

    Why don't you just ask them? Maybe there is more to it. Maybe they've tried other games and the only type of game they find enjoyable is that "one particular game".

    "My" general rule is that everyone has their own story and their own version of what is "true". If it doesn't fit "my version" I don't just say they are wrong or something is wrong with them but I try to see it through their eyes given who they are and where they come from.

    I might not agree or like their "version of true" but it's not about "me" it's about "them".



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2017
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:

    there is some truth to that however its fairly well known that if you dont expand your horizons ever then you never know if you like something or not.

    but to be fair to you, I am treading on grounds that is unwarrented and in some respects unhealthy for me to be doing. so I drop it :)
    I get your point and at the core I agree but it's more expansive than that as I said above. Expanding one's horizons takes place outside of video games. So if someone ski's, takes oil painting classes, does yoga, and plays the piano, and also plays grinding mmo's, I think it can be safe to assume that they are experiencing a variety of different things.

    If one "just" logs into a video game, every day, for hours and hours and does nothing else but grind mobs then "yes" that's a problem.
    on that I completely disagree.

    one doesnt just eat a hamburger and say 'ok I have eaten food now, whats next'?
    one doesnt just drink one bottle of crappy red wine and then figure they have experienced wine and its time to move on.

    OF COURSE! expanding your horizons also can mean playing different kinds of games.

    but its also true that if one has a varied life and one small part of it happens to be playing video game then yeah I can get that.

    But at the core my gut tells me hardcore gamers who post on gaming forums are dedicated to gaming and I never can understand why they want to play the same limited simple forumla over and over and over again and my gut also tell me that despite me having facts, I think they are in a rut and see the world as it really is not.

    BUT...its also not my place to judge
    The food analogy doesn't really fit. No one "just eats one hamburger and says they have now experienced food". They always need to eat and in truth, will have to have a varied diet in order to be healthy.

    ....
    I am not having this conversation. I see how you want to do this and I am not doing it.

    Watching one type of movie doesnt mean you have experienced movies, watching one type of book doesnt mean you are well read, visiting one town dosent mean you have explored cities, wearing one kind of shirt doesnt mean you know fashion, listening to one kind of music doesnt mean you have been exposed to music, and playing one kind of video game doesnt mean you have a good experience with video games.

    its horseshit.

    but that said, its not my place to suggest to someone their choice of fun is wrong but I can very much argue that video games are not some magical thing in which its the only thing in which a variety of game play doesnt make sense...give me a break.
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Hashbrick said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    ananit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Aeander said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    wait another fantasy based game...sweet Jesus worse then 'survival games'
    It's almost as if fantasy is an entire genre with multiple subgenres based on centuries of human history or something.
    lol...'sub genre'....not really 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantasy_genres
    sub genres of the fantasy genre of games almost literally mean nothing more than an avatar change.

    its all the same tired old shit, fight mobs
    Just like your posts, the same old tired shit of going against the grain all the time with nothing constructive to say
    I think it is productive to point out to other people that the fantasy genre is over done, would you like to know why I think its productive?
    oh it seems that today is the day that you and I just don't agree and we go back and forth.

    However, I can at least acknowledge that the fantasy genre is done a lot. But it's not "overdone" as that is the only genre I ever buy for the most part. I never stick with science fiction (unless it's a 4x game) and horror is a tough one for developers to get right.

    Most likely others but they never interest me. So point being, I think there are a lot of other people in the same boat.
    Sorry I was looking for an answer to my question not someone diverting. I dont mind people interjecting but I would perfer they at least ponder the quesiton
    Hey you made a statement it's perfectly fine for people to comment on that statement.

    Also "sub genres" are different as far as tone, the world, how the characters interact with that world.

    Otherwise no matter what genre it is you are going to be "fighting mobs".
    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no

    Yes, by all means, please share ...
    Noooo, thats like inviting a vampire to come in your house.  :o

    Now all of the life of the OP will be sucked dry.

    Where did I put my garlic and holy water.?

    ;)
    I thought we were friends ;(
    We are, did I misquote you or something?
    It has been established on these forums that I am a vampire. Source
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 31,119
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Hashbrick said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    ananit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Aeander said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    wait another fantasy based game...sweet Jesus worse then 'survival games'
    It's almost as if fantasy is an entire genre with multiple subgenres based on centuries of human history or something.
    lol...'sub genre'....not really 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantasy_genres
    sub genres of the fantasy genre of games almost literally mean nothing more than an avatar change.

    its all the same tired old shit, fight mobs
    Just like your posts, the same old tired shit of going against the grain all the time with nothing constructive to say
    I think it is productive to point out to other people that the fantasy genre is over done, would you like to know why I think its productive?
    oh it seems that today is the day that you and I just don't agree and we go back and forth.

    However, I can at least acknowledge that the fantasy genre is done a lot. But it's not "overdone" as that is the only genre I ever buy for the most part. I never stick with science fiction (unless it's a 4x game) and horror is a tough one for developers to get right.

    Most likely others but they never interest me. So point being, I think there are a lot of other people in the same boat.
    Sorry I was looking for an answer to my question not someone diverting. I dont mind people interjecting but I would perfer they at least ponder the quesiton
    Hey you made a statement it's perfectly fine for people to comment on that statement.

    Also "sub genres" are different as far as tone, the world, how the characters interact with that world.

    Otherwise no matter what genre it is you are going to be "fighting mobs".
    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no

    Yes, by all means, please share ...
    Noooo, thats like inviting a vampire to come in your house.  :o

    Now all of the life of the OP will be sucked dry.

    Where did I put my garlic and holy water.?

    ;)
    I thought we were friends ;(
    We are, did I misquote you or something?
    It has been established on these forums that I am a vampire. Source
    OK, that's an awesome post, had missed that.

    She got kicked to the curb right?   ;)


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Hashbrick said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    ananit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Aeander said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    wait another fantasy based game...sweet Jesus worse then 'survival games'
    It's almost as if fantasy is an entire genre with multiple subgenres based on centuries of human history or something.
    lol...'sub genre'....not really 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantasy_genres
    sub genres of the fantasy genre of games almost literally mean nothing more than an avatar change.

    its all the same tired old shit, fight mobs
    Just like your posts, the same old tired shit of going against the grain all the time with nothing constructive to say
    I think it is productive to point out to other people that the fantasy genre is over done, would you like to know why I think its productive?
    oh it seems that today is the day that you and I just don't agree and we go back and forth.

    However, I can at least acknowledge that the fantasy genre is done a lot. But it's not "overdone" as that is the only genre I ever buy for the most part. I never stick with science fiction (unless it's a 4x game) and horror is a tough one for developers to get right.

    Most likely others but they never interest me. So point being, I think there are a lot of other people in the same boat.
    Sorry I was looking for an answer to my question not someone diverting. I dont mind people interjecting but I would perfer they at least ponder the quesiton
    Hey you made a statement it's perfectly fine for people to comment on that statement.

    Also "sub genres" are different as far as tone, the world, how the characters interact with that world.

    Otherwise no matter what genre it is you are going to be "fighting mobs".
    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no

    Yes, by all means, please share ...
    Noooo, thats like inviting a vampire to come in your house.  :o

    Now all of the life of the OP will be sucked dry.

    Where did I put my garlic and holy water.?

    ;)
    I thought we were friends ;(
    We are, did I misquote you or something?
    It has been established on these forums that I am a vampire. Source
    OK, that's an awesome post, had missed that.

    She got kicked to the curb right?   ;)


    Her drained bloodless corpse, yes. I still have needs you know! :|
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 1,861
    Are there any korean mmorpg for pc in development or is it all just click-to-move arpg and mobile games?
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    Shaigh said:
    Are there any korean mmorpg for pc in development or is it all just click-to-move arpg and mobile games?
    Bless?



  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Sovrath said:
    Shaigh said:
    Are there any korean mmorpg for pc in development or is it all just click-to-move arpg and mobile games?
    Bless?
    Plus Project A2 and Kakao's secret title. 
    Utinni
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 2,396

    SEANMCAD said:

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!

    I could give a shit about theme.  If it's good, it's good.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    SEANMCAD said:

    SEANMCAD said:


    Sovrath said:





    not related to what I was saying or my question.

    would you like to know why I think my observation is constructive? yes or no



    Yes, by all means, please share ...


    The brain has a tendency to form a habit that can last a lifetime. 
    Expanding ones life experiences in the long run creates a happier person and (I find this int resting) the perception of time slows down, or rather the memory of your past.

    Never the less, when people get in a rut they sometimes are not aware of what they are missing. 'talking outside of the box' turns into conversations about one handed blade vs two handed blade and all the other wonderful things that are possible are overlooked.

    does that make sense?



    No, it doesn't make sense, in the context of fantasy versus another genre, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. In all cases it is just a shift in the trappings surrounding the experience. Though the surrounding aesthetics are different the core experience remains the same.

    Elements that make more of a difference than genre are the ratio of PvE to PvP, whether the game is theme park or sandbox, and other substantive factors... not if you are flying on a winged mount or riding a gravbike, or blasting your enemy with a bolt from your hand or your raygun.
    let me try a different approach then.

    The technology of games (meaning video games) is so powerful and so flexible the amount of possible content far excedes all written novels, all movies, all TV shows in the history of mankind combined. And yet for some reason just one forumla out of likely millions we want to play over and over and over and over and over and over again. mob killing combat, with gear, in a fantasy setting.

    anyone who thinks that is good is suffering from extreeme tunnel vision which WILL affect other aspects of their life.

    Now to be fair, if fantasty mob killing RPG is all you have done for a few years then that is fine, but if you have been doing that for 15 years...holy fuck its time for a change!

    I could give a shit about theme.  If it's good, it's good.

    so fantasy based mob killing gear focused gaming is all you want out of gaming.

    well I cant understand that but I got to accept it.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 25,432
    Sovrath said:
    Shaigh said:
    Are there any korean mmorpg for pc in development or is it all just click-to-move arpg and mobile games?
    Bless?
    Plus Project A2 and Kakao's secret title. 
    What's project A2? That's the mobile Aion game is it?



  • BisloboBislobo Member UncommonPosts: 27
    meh
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,552

    Kumapon said:





    so what happened to Lineage Eternal? did it get scrapped?










    so what happened to Lineage Eternal? did it get scrapped?






    Lineage Eternal reception was sooo bad in Korea, that Ncsoft got rid of the high ranking staff on the project and replaced them. Then Ncsoft promised to re-do the entire game to more of what Koreans wanted. A Lineage III. 



    It got an "XIV"
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 19,318
    So is this a MMOARPG like Diablo, MU Legend, etc. OR more an Action MMO like BDO? That opening scene in the town with street people reminded me of BDO lol.


    It's a MMO-ARPG hybrid like MU Legend, ELOA, Devilian, Lost Ark, Guardians of Ember etc...

    In other words - you share the world with 1000s of other players and monsters respawn - unlike Diablo, PoE where only your group can be in the same map and you can clear the map 100% (until you reset it)

    What we still don't know is how deep the loot and skill builds will be - because typically mmo-arpgs have MMORPG style gear (linear for each class) and very limited skill builds (one or very few builds per class)


  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,354
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Shaigh said:
    Are there any korean mmorpg for pc in development or is it all just click-to-move arpg and mobile games?
    Bless?
    Plus Project A2 and Kakao's secret title. 
    What's project A2? That's the mobile Aion game is it?
    We don't know yet. Could be Aion 2. 
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 19,318
    Project T/L can't really blow Lost Ark out of the water until I see all the other features it has beyond combat. Say what you want about Lost Ark but they showed gathering, crafting, raiding, and other extracurricular activities.

    They did - because Lost Ark has been in development for over 5+ years - and they've overrun their development by over a year due to lots of delays.

    What I hope NCSoft does is take it beyond Lost Ark (which is all about MMORPG systems and keeping the same linear gear progression and a few varied skills/builds per class) - instead of doing it WIDE OPEN like PoE with almost endless build and gear combos per class.

    If NCSoft can pull that off in a MMO-Hybrid and make it AAA game - Lost Ark who?
    ConstantineMerus
  • time007time007 Member UncommonPosts: 1,047
    i agree with everyone on here. looks great but dont want to wait 2-3 years. 1 is fine, but anything beyond 1-2 at the most is just crap after how long we've waited for lineage eternal. im fine with them scrapping that and reworking it into something better, just dont take over 2 years :(

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