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  • A.BlacklochA.Blackloch Member UncommonPosts: 834
    Oh wow. Well this got me excited. I wonder how far that actually is?
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,323
    Gotta admit I was surprised to see them doing this.
    I guess Blizzard wants those fortunes that nostalgiacs with deep pockets are throwing blindly at any Kickstarter game that promises old school these day :D

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  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,609
    edited November 2017
    Just little tip for anyone going to play. If blizzard brings in the warlord system, if they are Battlegrounds with a queue system. All have to do join a server that your out number from other faction then get instant queues. Then can hit high warlord if you play a tons will take a bit making more honor or as much honor as a premade groups, and you don't have keep winning as long the queue are short. Pretty much no skill needed how broken faction are.
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  • AreWeLiveAreWeLive Member UncommonPosts: 183
    edited November 2017
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,041
    edited November 2017
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,788
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
    Yeah I highly doubt that they'll have LFG/LFR on the classic servers. That was one of the biggest convenience features ever added to the game.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,400
    Forgrimm said:
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
    Yeah I highly doubt that they'll have LFG/LFR on the classic servers. That was one of the biggest convenience features ever added to the game.
    That is going to be a contentious feature because I think there are a lot of people who like a lot about classic gameplay enjoy grouping tools and there are a lot who don't. 

    Personally, I hope classic to them means a blend of "vanilla" through Wrath. Wrath was really my favorite period of play. I wonder what "classic" means to Blizzard. Does it mean early vanilla, late vanilla, and will that mean features and content from BC and Wrath? Classic can mean so much and even Vanilla had some different states.

    Someone said they can't see less than a million players for classic "if it's done right". There are so many different groups of people that the singular phrase "if it's done right" is code for "if it meets my envisioned feature set". I think all of the indie retro mmo reboot studios are going to face a lot of that when they release as well. I hope people temper their expectations a bit for all of these releases.
  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,041
    edited November 2017
    Torval said:
    Forgrimm said:
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
    Yeah I highly doubt that they'll have LFG/LFR on the classic servers. That was one of the biggest convenience features ever added to the game.
    That is going to be a contentious feature because I think there are a lot of people who like a lot about classic gameplay enjoy grouping tools and there are a lot who don't. 

    Personally, I hope classic to them means a blend of "vanilla" through Wrath. Wrath was really my favorite period of play. I wonder what "classic" means to Blizzard. Does it mean early vanilla, late vanilla, and will that mean features and content from BC and Wrath? Classic can mean so much and even Vanilla had some different states.

    Someone said they can't see less than a million players for classic "if it's done right". There are so many different groups of people that the singular phrase "if it's done right" is code for "if it meets my envisioned feature set". I think all of the indie retro mmo reboot studios are going to face a lot of that when they release as well. I hope people temper their expectations a bit for all of these releases.
    Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what flavor of classic Blizzard delivers at the outset.  Personally, I think their best option initially would be to deliver the vanilla experience verbatim from patch 1.12.  Make it exactly how it was to start and go from there.  Sure, some people will want some of the conveniences from the current game but if they want those conveniences ... they can play the current game!  Blizzard is never going to please everyone so they're better off changing as little as possible from the final version of vanilla when they launch classic, which I anticipate will be good enough for the majority of legacy players (like myself) who would rather have all the warts than have Blizzard change something that inadvertently breaks the vanilla experience.

    Now from there, will they try to add some class balance sorely missing from vanilla?  I think that would be a good idea, but any changes they make could possibly have unintended consequences ... so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens and hope they exercise good judgement going forward.
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  • SteelhelmSteelhelm Member UncommonPosts: 254
    One icecream please! Pure vanilla! No flavors, please. :)
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  • AsheramAsheram Member RarePosts: 2,715
    How long til WoW is on consoles? Vanilla would seem a pretty decent candidate for it seeing as you didn't have so many skills to cycle through.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member EpicPosts: 3,382
    Torval said:
    Forgrimm said:
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
    Yeah I highly doubt that they'll have LFG/LFR on the classic servers. That was one of the biggest convenience features ever added to the game.
    That is going to be a contentious feature because I think there are a lot of people who like a lot about classic gameplay enjoy grouping tools and there are a lot who don't. 

    Personally, I hope classic to them means a blend of "vanilla" through Wrath. Wrath was really my favorite period of play. I wonder what "classic" means to Blizzard. Does it mean early vanilla, late vanilla, and will that mean features and content from BC and Wrath? Classic can mean so much and even Vanilla had some different states.

    Someone said they can't see less than a million players for classic "if it's done right". There are so many different groups of people that the singular phrase "if it's done right" is code for "if it meets my envisioned feature set". I think all of the indie retro mmo reboot studios are going to face a lot of that when they release as well. I hope people temper their expectations a bit for all of these releases.
    The dev mentioned those grouping systems as specifically items not included in vanilla. That one lead one to believe, logically, that Blizzard doesn't plan on including them.

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  • sschruppsschrupp Member UncommonPosts: 460
    edited November 2017
    Hopefully they don't go back all the way to the hours long queue times and then having to wait 10 minutes to loot corpses, all the while gliding around in the kneeling position. Good times!
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  • laseritlaserit Member EpicPosts: 5,188
    DMKano said:
    mgilbrtsn said:
    DMKano said:
    Gdemami said:
    tawess said:
    @DMKano I am sure they have stated that the biggest issue is getting that old 2004 code to play nicely with the new server infrastructure
    It is not an issue, it is impossible.

    To run a vanilla, they would need entirely separate infrastructure and database, something they are not going to do.

    What seems to be their aim is to find a way how to integrate some later game version into current infrastructure and make changes from there - the Pristine realms they talked about in the past.
    Furhermore the auth/account platform integration has drastically changed since 2004.

    Even if they stood up a separate 2004 DB with old world and auth servers - they wouldnt be able to pass the platform login tokens (battle.net session) to old 2004 code (not without major rework)

    IMO thats the biggest hurdle which is why Blizzard wont be doing 100% authentic Vanilla WoW ever. Period.


    It all depends on how the original coding was done.  If they were smart about it, and Blizzard is pretty smart, they kept excellent documentation and used a modular design framework to be able to isolate and 'fix' what needs fixing.

    It will be a challenge for sure, but not impossible.  They have the resources.

    The original code was not made to work with current iteration of Blizzards platform. 

    Of course they could make it work - but at what cost and effort?



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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member RarePosts: 3,601
    Asheram said:
    How long til WoW is on consoles? Vanilla would seem a pretty decent candidate for it seeing as you didn't have so many skills to cycle through.
    I'm pretty sure I had more skills on my bar in Vanilla than I do currently in Legion. After they merged skills and made certain skills only specific talent specs, it really pruned out most of the redundant skills. 

    To the other people saying LFG and LFR won't be in, I'm with you in hopes it isn't, but I am super skeptical and I have a feeling it will be implemented. The reason they put it in was because people got tired of having to spam for groups all the time in chat. So people made an addon to find groups, which still exists for harder raid difficulties. If there isn't a group finder I'm sure people will just make another addon or use an existing one for that. 
  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,041
    Asheram said:
    How long til WoW is on consoles? Vanilla would seem a pretty decent candidate for it seeing as you didn't have so many skills to cycle through.
    I'm pretty sure I had more skills on my bar in Vanilla than I do currently in Legion. After they merged skills and made certain skills only specific talent specs, it really pruned out most of the redundant skills. 

    To the other people saying LFG and LFR won't be in, I'm with you in hopes it isn't, but I am super skeptical and I have a feeling it will be implemented. The reason they put it in was because people got tired of having to spam for groups all the time in chat. So people made an addon to find groups, which still exists for harder raid difficulties. If there isn't a group finder I'm sure people will just make another addon or use an existing one for that. 
    http://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/

    "Brack is clear that using modern server architecture doesn’t mean that these Classic servers will have the same features that current World of Warcraft does. There won’t be cross-realm servers or Looking For Raid and Dungeon Finder automatic party matchmaking. There’s still a lot of questions about how the team will tackle it, but Brack says they’re committed to recreating an authentic Vanilla World of Warcraft experience. "One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want."
  • LegendCarissoLegendCarisso Member UncommonPosts: 85
    Honestly, it's crap. Like a buddy of mine put it; "They make billions off of suing the private server community, and then are all like "Hehe, look at what the public wants... vanilla servers since we've shut down all the other ones!"

    Scumbag move if you ask me, especially if you consider the fact that they KNEW people wanted those for YEARS, they KNEW people wanted them... but did nothing about it, and shimmied away at any legitimate explanations as to why the community was being ignored (READ: screwed over). Shame their actual game can't hold water anymore... expansion comes, people get on for a few days, their numbers drop, new announced expansion, repeat the cycle...

    I've never played WoW and never will... doesn't mean I'm not observant though. Just my two cents...
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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,788
    Honestly, it's crap. Like a buddy of mine put it; "They make billions off of suing the private server community, and then are all like "Hehe, look at what the public wants... vanilla servers since we've shut down all the other ones!"

    Scumbag move if you ask me, especially if you consider the fact that they KNEW people wanted those for YEARS, they KNEW people wanted them... but did nothing about it, and shimmied away at any legitimate explanations as to why the community was being ignored (READ: screwed over). Shame their actual game can't hold water anymore... expansion comes, people get on for a few days, their numbers drop, new announced expansion, repeat the cycle...

    I've never played WoW and never will... doesn't mean I'm not observant though. Just my two cents...
    When exactly did they "make billions" off suing the private server community? lol
  • LegendCarissoLegendCarisso Member UncommonPosts: 85
    edited November 2017
    Forgrimm said:
    Honestly, it's crap. Like a buddy of mine put it; "They make billions off of suing the private server community, and then are all like "Hehe, look at what the public wants... vanilla servers since we've shut down all the other ones!"

    Scumbag move if you ask me, especially if you consider the fact that they KNEW people wanted those for YEARS, they KNEW people wanted them... but did nothing about it, and shimmied away at any legitimate explanations as to why the community was being ignored (READ: screwed over). Shame their actual game can't hold water anymore... expansion comes, people get on for a few days, their numbers drop, new announced expansion, repeat the cycle...

    I've never played WoW and never will... doesn't mean I'm not observant though. Just my two cents...
    When exactly did they "make billions" off suing the private server community? lol
    Ah... where to begin...

    https://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/blizzard-awarded-88m-from-wow-private-server-lawsuit/

    And on a particularly unrelated-but-still-important-to-note... well... note...

    https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/23/15034994/blizzard-mods-bnetd-org-lawsuit-world-of-warcarft

    I'll dig up more, but yeah.... shutting down private servers, suing the fudge out of them? Pretty much standard practice which is why I think the movement to make a "vanilla" server after CLEARLY getting the message "Hey, people want these. If you ain't gonna provide it, we'll make it ourselves" is scumbaggery. Again, they KNEW people wanted these things.... instead of immediately working with their community to make something people wanted, they instead sicked the J-Team on them instead, milking every last penny they could. I mean hell...

    https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/26/11509870/blizzard-world-of-warcraft-nostalrius-server-vanilla-wow-official

    Canned responses atop of their refusal to do it in the first place? That's just disgusting, which is precisely why I'll never touch the game with a 10ft. barge pole. Of course I'm expecting this "legacy" server to be anything but vanilla though.

    EDIT: Put it another way; had they listened to their community and just DONE it instead of being lazy about it... there more-than-likely would have been no NEED for private servers in the first place. Obviously they knew what they were doing. Nothing says free capital like filing grievances.
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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,788
    Forgrimm said:
    Honestly, it's crap. Like a buddy of mine put it; "They make billions off of suing the private server community, and then are all like "Hehe, look at what the public wants... vanilla servers since we've shut down all the other ones!"

    Scumbag move if you ask me, especially if you consider the fact that they KNEW people wanted those for YEARS, they KNEW people wanted them... but did nothing about it, and shimmied away at any legitimate explanations as to why the community was being ignored (READ: screwed over). Shame their actual game can't hold water anymore... expansion comes, people get on for a few days, their numbers drop, new announced expansion, repeat the cycle...

    I've never played WoW and never will... doesn't mean I'm not observant though. Just my two cents...
    When exactly did they "make billions" off suing the private server community? lol
    Ah... where to begin...

    https://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/blizzard-awarded-88m-from-wow-private-server-lawsuit/

    And on a particularly unrelated-but-still-important-to-note... well... note...

    https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/23/15034994/blizzard-mods-bnetd-org-lawsuit-world-of-warcarft

    I'll dig up more, but yeah.... shutting down private servers, suing the fudge out of them? Pretty much standard practice which is why I think the movement to make a "vanilla" server after CLEARLY getting the message "Hey, people want these. If you ain't gonna provide it, we'll make it ourselves" is scumbaggery. Again, they KNEW people wanted these things.... instead of immediately working with their community to make something people wanted, they instead sicked the J-Team on them instead, milking every last penny they could. I mean hell...

    https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/26/11509870/blizzard-world-of-warcraft-nostalrius-server-vanilla-wow-official

    Canned responses atop of their refusal to do it in the first place? That's just disgusting, which is precisely why I'll never touch the game with a 10ft. barge pole. Of course I'm expecting this "legacy" server to be anything but vanilla though.

    EDIT: Put it another way; had they listened to their community and just DONE it instead of being lazy about it... there more-than-likely would have been no NEED for private servers in the first place. Obviously they knew what they were doing. Nothing says free capital like filing grievances.
    That was one 88 million dollar judgment, of which they've probably never seen a dime. And the only reason they went after that particular server was because the owner was making a lot of money from micro-transactions. If you spent a lot of money, time, and resources developing something, and then someone stole it and started profiting off it, would you not take action?
  • mansayamansaya Member UncommonPosts: 95
    edited November 2017
    I admit that I almost let go of my tear so much we were waiting for it ... ♥ I did not believe it, but yes, thank you Blizzard.


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 27,180
    AreWeLive said:
     I would expect Blizzard to have LFG/LFR and Multi-server, I would not expect things like ninja to be any more of a thing than it is today because of it. The days of policing your server or things limited to your server are over.
     Them bring Vanilla WoW back is great, but you have to expect it will have certain updates from todays version ...  
     
    They won't add LFG/LFR to the classic servers.  Those are fairly consistent complaints with current WoW by legacy players so it'd be really stupid for them to add those "features" to classic.  They'll probably stick with the method that was around at the time.  You could flag yourself as "Looking for Group" and anyone could search a zone to see who had that status and then message you asking if you wanted to join their group, etc.
    It's interesting that you brought this up.

    Version 1.12 is probably the last version of Vanilla WOW and it introduced the cross realm battlegrounds for the first time.

    The first version of TBC (2.0.1) actually was released on vanilla servers right before the official expansion launch and a case could be made to go with that version. 

    If so, it introduced the LFG tool for the first time.

    It will be interesting to see what Blizzard ultimately comes up with for their definition of "classic"

    Anyone know what patch release version most of the popular vanilla servers use?


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