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  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,267
    edited May 12
    When you are subbed it's not possible to buy the quest packs you temporarily have access to until you are unsubbed again so whatever you were buying may have been tied to an expansion. You can buy expansion 'quest packs' that don't include things like extra classes or access to the raids and skirmishes so that might be what you bought.
    I think that might been it...

    now that gif really shows how I feel right now :(
    This is where some definitions might help:

    We call them Region's and SSG call's them Quest pack's - smaller area's, when you buy a region (Angmar, Evendim etc...) you get all the quests in it.  Only one type of purchase choice for those.  If you have a sub you CAN'T buy them.  On one hand it's good as it would stop players from buying things they might not need.  On the other hand it stops players from buying regions for down the road while they are on sale if they know they'll be dropping their sub at X point.

    While you're subbed you have access to all of them, but when you drop your sub you lose access to all of them past the first 4 F2p one's.  You can finish any quests / deeds you were currently doing, but won't be able to start any new one's.

    There is a bundle that has all? / almost all? of the pre-Moria regions in it, but like with the individual one's you can't buy it while your sub is active.

    Expansion - Big area's.  Now this is where confusion comes in since with the exception of Helm's Deep you can buy 2 versions of each expansion; The quest pack version with only has the quests and the full version that has the quests, instances, dungeons and any extra's you get (mounts, cosmetic whatever).  Helm's Deep only has the full version for sale.

    It sounds like you were like me and bought the cheaper versions of the expansions; the 'quest packs' and since that phrase has 2 meanings ..... confusion.  No problem.

    If you relog into your account everything you've ever bought will still be there.
     
    Sovrath

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  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,267
    edited May 12
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
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  • foppoteefoppotee Member UncommonPosts: 193
    I have a Collector's Edition still in the shrink-wrap from when I bought it & intended to play it from years ago.  I guess I wasted money on that dang it lol.
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited May 12
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,800
    edited May 12
    A blast from the past... nice necro :smiley:

    I could only repeat my post from nearly 2 years ago (page 1), LotRO's model is good as it is.
    Very flexible, ranging from subscription to fully free with any kinda mix between the two, and supports the longer play with the permanent unlocks.

    That could be seen as a problem, compared it to STO's model for example (which I did back then), and it's true: for a totally newcomer fresh player the more recent f2p models offer more upfront (but also milk them more later).

    However, is it really a problem? LotRO is 12 years old, f2p since almost 9 years now. Are there enough players left who never tried it and only held back by the f2p model? *  I seriously doubt it.
    Not to mention up to Lone-lands the game is open. During a few days of play, and through 30 levels should be enough to anyone to decide how much they like the game...


    LotRO ain't like the newer games with "play through everything for free, get hooked, and then get milked dry at the endgame" kinda payment model. It still has the old sub model, with added options and flexibility.
    LotRO is about "try out (till Lone-lands) then choose a path: either subscribe, pay in parts through the store, or go the free way but that will take a lot of grind". I believe it's a more honest model than the other way.


    If you want valid concerns about the model, look at the endgame and not at the beginning... in my eyes that's more troublesome than the locked quest packs. Recently (since Mordor) they're trying to steer the model more towards those newer f2p models, with all the moves like the redesigned and more intrusive lockboxes, the pricing, etc.


    *edit: enough, to justify a model redesign
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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,800
    Nebless said:
    Expansion - Big area's.  Now this is where confusion comes in since with the exception of Helm's Deep you can buy 2 versions of each expansion; The quest pack version with only has the quests and the full version that has the quests, instances, dungeons and any extra's you get (mounts, cosmetic whatever).  Helm's Deep only has the full version for sale.

    It sounds like you were like me and bought the cheaper versions of the expansions; the 'quest packs' and since that phrase has 2 meanings ..... confusion.
    There's an easy, thumb rule-kinda advice to avoid such mistakes and confusion: don't buy expansions in-game. It might sounds silly, but it's really a serious advice, given out all the time.

    Besides those rare cases of sitting on a huge pile of Points (from any sources), or the absolute determination of never spending a dime, one can always get a better deal on the Market, especially when time the purchase well, for sales.
    The Quad-Pack for $20, or sometimes even for $10 is an offer the in-game store can't compete with.


    Since the Market only has the expansions, there's no quest pack confusion either, those are the "full" expansions, with the bundled extra goodies.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,184
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    That would require reading something about a game, in the new world of gaming you should  not be required to read. Be it guides, lore, quests, whatever. The incessant drive to ever more easy mode demands you can only be asked to log in and play.

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
    or maybe just pay the nominal Sub and not have to worry about it at all.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,786
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 

    Well God forbid they actually give you a reason to pay for the product. If it were easy no one would bother paying them a dime and the game disappears.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,786
    Scot said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    That would require reading something about a game, in the new world of gaming you should  not be required to read. Be it guides, lore, quests, whatever. The incessant drive to ever more easy mode demands you can only be asked to log in and play.
    You don't have to read a thing....reach in your wallet and pay for the service. If you want to do it all free you better pick up a guide....but don't whine about it either.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,417
    Nebless said:
    LOTRO payment model is a piece of junk

    What does LOTRO sub give you? Nothing really

    Unlike ESO, subbing to LOTRO gives you junk. You still have to buy 100s of dollars of dlc, you don't get anything amazing for subbing like ESO gives you and the daily free stuff is junk compared to BDO

    LOTRO is the least worthwhile MMO to pay for and even subbing you don't get anything good like you do in ESO. 


    I'm not sure we've played the same version of LotRO. 

    When you sub you get access to all area's that ARE NOT expansions, that means all regions from lvl 1 to 75, 83 to 85 and then 110-115.  Which means you could actually SKIP the first 3 expansions just in terms of leveling.  https://www.lotro.com/en/lotro-store-quest-packs

    You also get 500 store points a month which you can use to BUY the expansions.  Nothing extra out of pocket, just the monthly store points you get from having a sub means you can buy an expansion (quest pack not the full blown version with raids & extra shiney's) every 3 months and of course as you play you earn free store points too so that should speed up the buying process.

    I'll give you the 2 free daily login gifts might not be much, but you can't have everything.
    Really? I recall having to buy quest+zone packs, but looking at your link that isn't a thing.

    Is that actually not the case? If so, then I'm so terribly sorry for the misinformation. Did I not actually HAVE to buy quest packs/zone areas to play in them? I bought a quest pack+zone pack, thinking I had to buy them still even when I was subbed. Actually are zone packs even a thing? Or is that just included in a quest pack? I thought they were separate, but now not 100% sure.

    Outside of expansions of course, that is different.

    If so, wow I could have saved a lot of money and just stay subbed. Now I feel like if I've been wrong this entire time...


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  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,267
    edited May 12
    foppotee said:
    I have a Collector's Edition still in the shrink-wrap from when I bought it & intended to play it from years ago.  I guess I wasted money on that dang it lol.
    Not totally, after downloading the game from the site or steam, go to the LotRO My Account page and log in with your user name and password.  Then use the code in the shrink wrapped game in the redeem box and what ever goodies came with the box including the free 30 day VIP will go to your game account.

    Also when the 30 day VIP runs out you drop down to Premium status and won't have to worry about ever being F2p status.  One hint create all the characters that you think you'll want while in VIP status and play them til they're out of the intro part.  That way you'll unlock the VIP pluses on them and they'll be in place when you drop to Premium.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,184
    Viper482 said:
    Scot said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    That would require reading something about a game, in the new world of gaming you should  not be required to read. Be it guides, lore, quests, whatever. The incessant drive to ever more easy mode demands you can only be asked to log in and play.
    You don't have to read a thing....reach in your wallet and pay for the service. If you want to do it all free you better pick up a guide....but don't whine about it either.
    Perhaps I was not clear, I find it astonishing that players feel they should not have to find out anything about the game they are playing. It is your game, embrace it.
    SovrathViper482

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Viper482 said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 

    Well God forbid they actually give you a reason to pay for the product. If it were easy no one would bother paying them a dime and the game disappears.
    Here is how I see it.. with a game like DDO/LotRO, if by the time they ask you to pay for more, you don't want to, than it is most likely not the game for you.


    Viper482
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Viper482 said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 

    Well God forbid they actually give you a reason to pay for the product. If it were easy no one would bother paying them a dime and the game disappears.
    They are encouraging you to pay for the wrong type of thing from a new player's perspective. That's the whole point of this discussion. If they don't make changes to make the game more approachable for new players, the population will always be on the decline and the game disappears.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Ungood said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
    or maybe just pay the nominal Sub and not have to worry about it at all.
    The sub gets you to the gates of Moria, then you're blocked. It's not even close to an all in one solution.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ungood said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
    or maybe just pay the nominal Sub and not have to worry about it at all.
    The sub gets you to the gates of Moria, then you're blocked. It's not even close to an all in one solution.
    Moria is an expansion IIRC, and if by the time you get to the Expansion you don't want to buy it.. again.. this is most likely simply not the game for you. 
    Sovrath
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited May 12
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
    or maybe just pay the nominal Sub and not have to worry about it at all.
    The sub gets you to the gates of Moria, then you're blocked. It's not even close to an all in one solution.
    Moria is an expansion IIRC, and if by the time you get to the Expansion you don't want to buy it.. again.. this is most likely simply not the game for you. 
    That kind of attitude isn't going to get more players into the game.. It's not the prospect of having to buy 1 expansion, it's having to buy 6 AND stay subscribed. It's a massive amount of money even when taking advantage of any deals or offers. This 1 game will cost the price of about 5 other NEW games. Even if you like the game and would like to keep playing it, it's just not good value compared to most other games.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,095
    LoTRO went f2p because their numbers were dwindling...ALso DDO had great sucess with f2p so they thought LoTRO would to.....I played both sub and free versions....They felt about the same to me....Neither version was very good.
    Ungood
  • Sal1Sal1 Member UncommonPosts: 337
    My take on the point of the post was there isn't enough new players in the low level maps. Isn't this game player level map gated?
  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,267
    edited May 12
    TheDarkrayne said:
    The sub gets you to the gates of Moria, then you're blocked. It's not even close to an all in one solution.  

    That's not correct.  As I already pointed out:  "When you sub you get access to all area's that ARE NOT expansions, that means all regions from lvl 1 to 75, 83 to 85 and then 110-115.  Which means you could actually SKIP the first 3 expansions just in terms of leveling.  https://www.lotro.com/en/lotro-store-quest-packs"

             TheDarkrayne said:
             It's not the prospect of having to buy 1 expansion, it's having to buy 6 AND
             stay subscribed. It's a massive amount of money even when taking advantage
             of any deals or offers. This 1 game will cost the price of about 5 other NEW 
             games. Even if you like the game and would like to keep playing it, it's just 
             not good value compared to most other games.

    Only if you want to play it that way, but you have other options.  I'm not at end game, but my main is lvl 88.  I did a 3 month sub over Christmas.  I did all the sub included regions through Great River (lvl 72-75 zone) skipping Moria.  At the end of the 3 months I went back to Premium status.

    From the store points from the sub and what I earned in game I then bought (free) Dunland and Isengard.  When I finished those I went back and picked up the Epic Quest line and the Bingo Boffin story quest line.  I did those all the way through Rohan and when it came time to move into Wildmore (lvl 85) I had built up enough earned store points to buy it (free).  I then did the Epic, Bingo and Wildmore's quests and am up to the edge of Helm's Deep just shy of lvl 89 (I need 600 more xp).

    You gain enough XP that you level pretty fast, I skipped Moria (I do own it from the original box I bought back in 2009, but I just don't like it), I skipped Mirkwood and I skipped Rohan, so there's 3 expansion's I didn't have to buy and the one I did get; Isengard, the game paid for it.

    I do have 3 alt's that I've played off and on prior to my Christmas sub, but all I had to do with them so go back and check how their deeds stood.  I ended up having to visit a couple of places, do a couple of quests and I actually had one quest that I needed to kill ONE monster to complete, but I didn't have to grind or even play those hard to wrap up outstanding deeds to earn the points from them to add to what my main was making.

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Nebless said:
    It is true that LOTRO would benefit greatly from making about 80% of the content available to ftp players.
    Well technically it already is available to f2p players. 

    You just have to buy the area's using store points you earn in game by playing.  There are guides all over showing the best way to farm store points in game.  Play the game, earn store points, buy more content, rinse, repeat.

    There are even 2 quest lines that are free through all regions / expansions you can do without even owning the area's you have to play through; the epic quest line and the Bingo Boffin story line.  The Epic stops at Helm's Deep and picks up after that expansion so that is a stopping point if you don't buy that one expansion, but the Bingo one play's through OK and both go to Mordor.
    Obviously, I mean without having to jump through hoops and grinding your life away. I've done my fair share of LOTRO point grinding.. I've unlocked all the content for free except Moria (I bought that when it launched). It is not a pleasant experience and is not fun for any player... and especially not for new players.

    It would make a lot more sense to just get an extra part time job for 2 weeks to buy what you want instead of mindlessly recreating 100 characters and spending, literally, hundreds of hours earning points in the starter zones. 
    or maybe just pay the nominal Sub and not have to worry about it at all.
    The sub gets you to the gates of Moria, then you're blocked. It's not even close to an all in one solution.
    Moria is an expansion IIRC, and if by the time you get to the Expansion you don't want to buy it.. again.. this is most likely simply not the game for you. 
    That kind of attitude isn't going to get more players into the game.. It's not the prospect of having to buy 1 expansion, it's having to buy 6 AND stay subscribed. It's a massive amount of money even when taking advantage of any deals or offers. This 1 game will cost the price of about 5 other NEW games. Even if you like the game and would like to keep playing it, it's just not good value compared to most other games.
    Well first off, I don't care about getting more warm bodies into a game, I would much rather have quality players that want to invest into their hobby, as opposed to a bunch of whiners that a free ride.

    With that said.

    Welcome to the Golden Age of MMO's


    When players had to pay a Box Fee, a Sub, and buy all Expansions. Keep that in mind when people talk about the glory days before the rise of F2P games, when they speak through rose colored glasses of the grand time of how great games were before cash shops when everyone had to pay a Sub.

    But then again, FF14, ESO, and a few other games have this same model, truth is, players coming to a game looking for a free ride are not what any game needs to stay alive, they need people who show up, try the game, and are willing to put their money down to play it. 

    If someone does not feel their money is well invested into a game that will give them hundreds if not thousands of hours of play, they are welcome to move on and buy some other game to suite their fancy.

    If someone is looking for a free ride, by all means, keep on looking.

    Blanket Warm Bodies just increase the server load, which is the last thing a company like SSG needs when they are sometimes struggling with server lag.
  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,267
    edited May 12
    Sal1 said:
    My take on the point of the post was there isn't enough new players in the low level maps. Isn't this game player level map gated?
    Only on the 2 (relatively new) Legendary Servers.  Currently those maps are capped at the end of Moria.  But that's because those servers are progression servers where SSG is releasing the content in 4 month chucks.  The first 4 months lvl cap was 50 which took you up to the Gates of Moria, then Moria opened up and in another 3? months the next part will open up.

    For all the other servers you can technically take a lvl 1 character all the way from the Shire through the gates of Mordor and on into Lake Town (if you can stay alive).

    Low level players are sparse on any older game, one of the reasons they did the Legendary servers, so new players (and there were a lot) could experience what those of us at the start experienced - all the good and bad of crowed zones.

    But even on the normal servers there's always low level players around, be they new or alt's from older players.  Not a lot mind you, but they are there and of course mileage varies depending on what server you're on.

    SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO - GnH (beta tester) - SWToR - Neverwinter

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,450
    edited May 12

    That kind of attitude isn't going to get more players into the game.. It's not the prospect of having to buy 1 expansion, it's having to buy 6 AND stay subscribed. It's a massive amount of money even when taking advantage of any deals or offers. This 1 game will cost the price of about 5 other NEW games. Even if you like the game and would like to keep playing it, it's just not good value compared to most other games.
    I've never really understood this train of thinking.

    Each expansion costs "x" and a sub costs "y."

    Everyone else, as the expansions hit, paid for the expansions ...

    "but it's an old game it shouldn't cost ... "

    but why? It might be an old game but it's new to anyone else who hasn't played it.

    I'm not sure if you were the one who said they had OCD and had to have all the expansions unlocked but if you are then that's really more about you and how you are wired.

    Otherwise, if not you, what's the issue? Pay as you go like everyone else.
    Ungood



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