Eurogamer - Big Interview With Chris Roberts

rpmcmurphy

Paraphrased - Patch 3.0 is akin to Early Access

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-08-29-star-citizen-would-be-the-worst-scam-in-the-world

Excession

Chris Roberts: The term beta in terms of Star Citizen - with 3.0 the game is moving into a phase akin to Early Access.

3.0 is akin to early access? what a joke.

rpmcmurphy

I love how in response to "Sure, although the difference for you guys is that people have already put in their money, as opposed to a Ubisoft game which isn't crowdfunded. " Chris basically turns it into some sort of tribal thing, talking about Liverpool vs United or CoD vs Battlefield, vocal minorities etc, WTF is he even on about?

CR- I am fed up of giving someone an estimate.
Which is why 2 days after saying the very same thing at Gamescom he went and gave people estimates....

I kind of wish he had been given a harder response when he started babbling on about disclaimers, like claiming 3.0 would be coming by the end of last year and we're almost 1 year past that and perhaps this is why people get a bit cheesed off with his estimates, regardless of disclaimers.

MaxBacon

The title is baity but once you read it's nothing new over the early access the game already is, maybe more related to 3.0 bringing it a stronger game loop that hardly existed until now.

Also saying again as Erin did time ago 3.1 to be when they'll start to let players to buy ships in-game, perhaps that will also be when the real UEC currency is also to be implemented.

~~ edit, title & description of their article, not this thread.

rpmcmurphy

How is it baity? The title is "Big interview with Chris Roberts" and that's exactly what it is.

MaxBacon

rpmcmurphy said:

How is it baity? The title is "Big interview with Chris Roberts" and that's exactly what it is.

I'm talking about the title of their article, not your thread... O_o

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

The title is baity but once you read it's nothing new over the early access the game already is, maybe more related to 3.0 bringing it a stronger game loop that hardly existed until now.

Also saying again as Erin did time ago 3.1 to be when they'll start to let players to buy ships in-game, perhaps that will also be when the real UEC currency is also to be implemented.

It's not really baity if they are using CR's words.

and what game loop? There isn't a game loop right now. Doesn't one need to exist before it can become stronger?

rpmcmurphy

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

How is it baity? The title is "Big interview with Chris Roberts" and that's exactly what it is.

I'm talking about the title of their article, not your thread... O_o

Oh well that's really obvious.... /facepalm

Erillion

THAT is the clickbait :

subtitle:  "It would be the worst scam in the world."


Have fun

MaxBacon

Kefo said:

and what game loop? There isn't a game loop right now. Doesn't one need to exist before it can become stronger?

The economy game loop is earning currency and spending it, on persistent gameplay. 2.6 only has a fraction of that with the stuff you can buy, things like even repair and ammo are not persistent so no loop is generated from it currently.

3.0 is set to greatly expand this:

• Mission system, generation of content with the procedural missions over what was just until now 16 pre-scripted (non-persistent) missions.
• Trading, the ability to finally buy and sell from KIOSKs spread across the game world, this is part of the shop system that is stated to globally simulate stocks, prices, etc...
• Cargo, relates to trading in the first 3.0 iteration because it is how it will work, buying, transporting, and selling (possibly stealing as breaching is in).
• Addition of shops to persistently buy ship parts.
• Insurance, this is relevant to it because it's no longer ship destroyed > respawn ship, there is now persistent consequence and loss.
• More Persistence, from your location "save game", to fundamentally related to game loop, persistent ammo, missiles, and damage. Moving away from the stuff that "resets" every time you play is most important to that.

That's just a superficial view of the stated/completed features stated to release with 3.0 that relates to this type of game loop.

Erillion said:

THAT is the clickbait :

subtitle:  "It would be the worst scam in the world."


Have fun 

Oh I meant that the title kinda tells you SC is now moving into something like "early access" with 3.0, like this was a new development stage like a beta or something, though SC has been early access for as long its alpha has been playable.

Sovrath

rpmcmurphy said:

CR- I am fed up of giving someone an estimate.
Which is why 2 days after saying the very same thing at Gamescom he went and gave people estimates....

Just because he's "fed up" doesn't mean that he's unwilling to do it, especially if it makes sense to do so. He's just "tired" of people asking.

I'm fed up with going to work every day but I do it.

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

and what game loop? There isn't a game loop right now. Doesn't one need to exist before it can become stronger?

The economy game loop is earning currency and spending it, on persistent gameplay. 2.6 only has a fraction of that with the stuff you can buy, things like even repair and ammo are not persistent so no loop is generated from it currently.

3.0 is set to greatly expand this:

• Mission system, generation of content with the procedural missions over what was just until now 16 pre-scripted (non-persistent) missions.
• Trading, the ability to finally buy and sell from KIOSKs spread across the game world, this is part of the shop system that is stated to globally simulate stocks, prices, etc...
• Cargo, relates to trading in the first 3.0 iteration because it is how it will work, buying, transporting, and selling (possibly stealing as breaching is in).
• Addition of shops to persistently buy ship parts.
• More Persistence, from your location "save game", to fundamentally related to game loop, persistent ammo, missiles, and damage. Moving away from the stuff that "resets" every time you play is most important to that.

CR doesn't seem to think there are any gameplay loops based on the article. You saying you know more about this project then the head honcho now?

MaxBacon

Kefo said:

CR doesn't seem to think there are any gameplay loops based on the article. You saying you know more about this project then the head honcho now?

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics. It's the first one which has proper persistence for your character, ship and items in terms of what their state is, their location is."

The first time you get some of the basic game loops because of whole new features that add them, the basic loop of persistent currency that you earn and spend (and what you buy is persistent) already exists just but just in a small fraction, as buying clothes or a weapon.

rpmcmurphy

Sovrath said:

rpmcmurphy said:

CR- I am fed up of giving someone an estimate.
Which is why 2 days after saying the very same thing at Gamescom he went and gave people estimates....

Just because he's "fed up" doesn't mean that he's unwilling to do it, especially if it makes sense to do so. He's just "tired" of people asking.

I'm fed up with going to work every day but I do it.

Well if he spends the whole year not giving dates, makes comments about how he gets vilified for dates, says how much he shouldn't do it and then still goes and does it....

Personally I couldn't care less if he's tired of it, that falls entirely on him for not being able to give good estimated dates.

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

CR doesn't seem to think there are any gameplay loops based on the article. You saying you know more about this project then the head honcho now?

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics. It's the first one which has proper persistence for your character, ship and items in terms of what their state is, their location is."

The first time you get some of the basic game loops because of whole new features that add them, the basic loop of persistent currency that you earn and spend (and what you buy is persistent) already exists just but just in a small fraction, as buying clothes or a weapon.

Are you really trying to pull revisionist history when it's literally right in front of your face?

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics. (This is talking about how game loops will be a thing in 3.0, although in a basic form)

It's the first one which has proper persistence for your character, ship and items in terms of what their state is, their location is." (This is talking gameplay mechanics. Notice how CR doesn't mention a game loop but just talks about persistence?)

You can't argue this point Max unless you are actively saying you know more about the game then CR does. You can try and reword things to your hearts content to make it seem like what you said was correct but it's pretty damn hard to have a convincing argument when the game creator says otherwise

MaxBacon

Kefo said:
it's pretty damn hard to have a convincing argument when the game creator says otherwise

Where does he say otherwise?  He talks game loops.

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:
it's pretty damn hard to have a convincing argument when the game creator says otherwise

Where does he say otherwise?  He talks game loops.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

MaxBacon

Kefo said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

Where does what he said, specifically imply there isn't any game loop in the current alpha?

In fact, he mentions: "the ability to earn and spend money on clothes, weapons, ship items or ship weapons" as one, clothes and weapons what is already in the alpha with ship items and ship weapons in 3.0.

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

Where does what he said, specifically imply there isn't any game loop in the current alpha?

In fact, he mentions: "the ability to earn and spend money on clothes, weapons, ship items or ship weapons" as one, clothes and weapons what is already in the alpha with ship items and ship weapons in 3.0.

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

MaxBacon

Kefo said:

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

It does not mean he was saying no game loop currently exists.

It means that new basic game loops are going to be added to the game for the first time, tied to new features. That is my perception of it, feel free to have any view of it you want.

For all that I see from it, he can make the same claim about 3.1 after releasing some of the basic game loops in 3.0 without implying otherwise.

Kefo

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

It does not mean he was saying no game loop currently exists.

It means that new basic game loops are going to be added to the game for the first time, tied to new features. That is my perception of it, feel free to have any view of it you want.

For all that I see from it, he can make the same claim about 3.1 after releasing some of the basic game loops in 3.0 without implying otherwise.

Well you're welcome to try and spin it to make it seem like something else but the rest of us will read it as the way it's written in that no game loop exists.

rpmcmurphy

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

It does not mean he was saying no game loop currently exists.

It means that new basic game loops are going to be added to the game for the first time, tied to new features. That is my perception of it, feel free to have any view of it you want.

For all that I see from it, he can make the same claim about 3.1 after releasing some of the basic game loops in 3.0 without implying otherwise.

If I said I was driving a car for the first time would you say that your perception of that comment means I am driving in the Grand Prix for the first time?

MaxBacon

rpmcmurphy said:

If I said I was driving a car for the first time would you say that your perception of that comment means I am driving in the Grand Prix for the first time?

If I'm saying I am adding some game loops for the first time to the game in the next update, I am not saying that the game has no game loops until then.

In fact, his reply describes as I mentioned a game loop that is present in the current alpha "... the ability to earn and spend money on clothes, weapons..."

Shodanas

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

Where does what he said, specifically imply there isn't any game loop in the current alpha?

In fact, he mentions: "the ability to earn and spend money on clothes, weapons, ship items or ship weapons" as one, clothes and weapons what is already in the alpha with ship items and ship weapons in 3.0.

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

For someone who allegedly plays the current build i find it strange that you do not know that a basic game / economy loop is already in place. Version 3.0 will greatly expand this with numerous features.

Kefo

Shodanas said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

Where does what he said, specifically imply there isn't any game loop in the current alpha?

In fact, he mentions: "the ability to earn and spend money on clothes, weapons, ship items or ship weapons" as one, clothes and weapons what is already in the alpha with ship items and ship weapons in 3.0.

Well you already quoted it but I'll quote it again for you.

"3.0 is the first time you'll have some of the basic game loops and mechanics."

The first time you will have some of the basic game loops tends to mean there arent any game loops currently unless CR doesn't understand what the word first means

For someone who allegedly plays the current build i find it strange that you do not know that a basic game / economy loop is already in place. Version 3.0 will greatly expand this with numerous features.

I play the current build? I'd like you to show me where I've said that.

MadFrenchie

Erillion said:

THAT is the clickbait :

subtitle:  "It would be the worst scam in the world."


Have fun

Jesus Christ folks, it was a quote from the interview itself.  People have been using quotes as titles long before click bait was even a term.  No offense, but you guys bring on like half the hate you see by constantly playing the victim.

Go ahead and ask Eurogamer to start naming their articles with boring ass titles like "Star Citizen Interview #23" and see what they say.