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Okay WTF is a MMO? Really?

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966
    Funny, people go to court all the time to dispute the meaning of this or that.  It takes a judge to decide how he/she understands the meaning of a thing based on past interpretations and history.  The final decision is still not universal and can vary from country to country or even from company to company.  So the answer usually depends on where you are and who you're talking to.  The only absolute is that there are no absolutes, everything is in a state of change, including what defines an MMO.
    Gdemami

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  • forcelimaforcelima Member UncommonPosts: 232
    Someone did not get the collectives memo! MMO's are every game but yet at the same time no game.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    Aelious said:
    klash2def said:


    Destiny is actually a MMO because the MMO today is not the same MMO from the year 2000.


    are you sure? Some people here seems to under the impression that they have final authority on what a MMO is .. ignoring you, the gamelist on this site, the classification of massivelyop, and reviewers on metacritics.

    I personally, i think they are kind of sad in a bubble believing that they are righteous, but hey, be careful. They love to attack you because you have the guts to go up against their gospel.


    C'mon, you're not a victim. For years you have gone out of your way to troll and irritate MMO fans with this narrative. It just so happens that "not quite" MMOs have gained popularity and these MMO news sites want to cover it for readership (which makes sense). Same goes for metacritic and reviewers...


    Still .. nothing i said is wrong. Didn't a lot of people here ignore all those lists and reviewers? 
    Didn't those people attack anyone who does not think they have the final say of what a MMO is?

    Now you can explain why a lot of sites & reviewers & players want to broaden what MMO means. But that does not change the fact that they do, and some people here are not happy.

    Now if you are irritated by the truth, well, it is really too bad. I suppose you have the option to stick your head in the sand and ignore everyone who classifies the "not quite" MMOs as MMOs. In fact, are many people here already doing that?

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    Maurgrim said:
    This topic still going?????

    MMO definition  are the same it always has been, why the fu change it, really??
    Of course. You don't get the memo? This forum is a great place to beat the dead horse.

    And what definition are you using? Certainly not the one used on this site, or on massivelyop.com, unless you believe games like World of Tank has always been defined as a MMO. 


  • cloud3431cloud3431 Member CommonPosts: 9
    "what is a mmo". it's quite self explanatory. but here's the explanation, since you missed it somehow. MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE........now, if you add the actual genre after that, it would be "MMOFPS". seeing how we're talking about a fps, that's would it's supposed to be classified as. if we were talking about an rpg, it would be "MMORPG". the mmo part isn't just exclusive to rpgs. destiny 2 is an mmofps. get over it. i really can't believe someone has to clarify this......
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,372
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    Watching vids on Destiny 2 (im hype yes I know) and I keep seeing the same argument on each comment section.. " FFS DESTINY IS NOT A MMO!" 

    Well, considering the defintion for MMO upon a basic google of the acronym here is what I found.. 


    MMO
    noun
    1. an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously
    So if Destiny: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space
    and if MMO: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space

    Then how is Destiny NOT an MMO? I think the term MMO needs to be redefined for the current generation of games because people are still trying to apply a old system to new games which said rules no longer apply. 

    SO in 2017 what do we consider a MMO if Destiny isnt one? Just curious? 
    how big are the raids?  How many people can fit in a single zone together?

    To me, those are the primary factors in determining if a game is an MMO.  too many games are basically lobby games, which we've had for ages.  I could play WC3 or Quake matches against a large list of people.  But only a small number at one time.


    For me, if you can't fit 50 characters in a zone at the same time, it's almost certainly not an MMO.

    JamesGoblin
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    cloud3431 said:
    "what is a mmo". it's quite self explanatory. 
    Obviously either it is not self-explanatory, or people ignore, or don't care, its meaning. Why do you think this is one of the most popular topic on this forum?
  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247
    When you see someone use MMO...massive multiplayer online....just walk away.

    There is no subject....if they are too lazy to properly define the subject how can anyone have a discussion.


  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    edited September 2017
      The People have spoken

    1. Is Destiny 2 an MMO     190 votes
      1. Yes
        18.95%
      2. No
        81.05%

    Eldurian
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,814
    Do you want the evolved current "public Opinion" definition, or the original literal definition?
    Either way, they are all MMOs and yet none are.
    Gdemami
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    cloud3431 said:
    "what is a mmo". it's quite self explanatory. 
    Obviously either it is not self-explanatory, or people ignore, or don't care, its meaning. Why do you think this is one of the most popular topic on this forum?
    Because you keep bringing it up.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 1,816
    Millions of people play online poker, so poker is the ultimate MMO. Right?
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  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,972
    Millions of people play online poker, so poker is the ultimate MMO. Right?
    As is Tic Tac Toe when played online. There's always someone bored at work, ready for a quick couple of rounds. One of the oldest of the original MMOs.

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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,539
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825
    @klash2def
    Guild Wars 1 is a CORPG. 
    Anet itself conjured up the name due to the fact the game was instanced and did not have a persistent world. 

    I've always determined the "Massive" part of a game based on the number of players who simultaneously are capable of doing something together in-game. In most games I see with the MMORPG-Label, most of the content is designed to be for single parties. Massive to me means a point in the game where entire regions come under attack and all the players in that region/zone have to work together against swarms of enemies. Guild Wars 2 had this during the Scarlet Briar Invasions.

    As it stands: 

    Typical MMO Dungeon is 4 - 8 players 
    Typical FPS Team Deathmatch Party = 8  - 16 players (per team)

    When I see a shooter, I find it to be more "Massive" in the fact more people do things together than the amount of people who do things together in MMORPGs, excluding the minor percentage of endgame content that requires multiple parties to actually win a map. 

    The Genre to me is becoming "Less Massive" and more "Solo-Friendly" by the year. 
    Shooters are becoming more "Massive" and more "group-oriented" by the year. 

    klash2def
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited September 2017
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    I've mentioned elsewhere that I don't think anyone who recognizes the difference between multiplayer and massively multiplayer will straight up refuse to play a game because it's mislabeled.

    It's about clearly delineating between the success of smaller multiplayer and the success of massively multiplayer.  Lumping them in skews the market view of each genre, as well as providing misleading views about what specific game mechanics work well in one genre or the other.  It's also a term that was created specifically to delineate between two different types of multiplayer; if massively multiplayer is the same as CoD, there's no reason to even have the label massively.  Just call everything multiplayer and be done with it.

    That wouldn't work so hot for sites like this one or massivelyop.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,113
    At some point , i don't even care what mean for MMORPG and just hope all those sucked games extinct like the big *** dinosaur off the face of earth .

    evolution screwed up , go back to the start maybe better chose .


  • BananaSoupBananaSoup Member UncommonPosts: 180
    edited September 2017
    i consider 2-9 players Multiplayer and 10+ Massive Multiplayer.
    JamesGoblin
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    Eldurian said:
    cloud3431 said:
    "what is a mmo". it's quite self explanatory. 
    Obviously either it is not self-explanatory, or people ignore, or don't care, its meaning. Why do you think this is one of the most popular topic on this forum?
    Because you keep bringing it up.
    I wish. I posted ONE post yesterday (or was it the day before), and 20 more pops up today. Plus,  did not even start this (or other MMO definition) topics.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


    Dude, you're the only terminology crusader on these boards.



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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,185
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


    Dude, you're the only terminology crusader on these boards.



    Terminology troll would be more accurate. I don't think he actually gives a shit.

    A clue is how he never gives us his own definition. He just tries to troll those who attempt to define it.
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    Iselin said:
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


    Dude, you're the only terminology crusader on these boards.



    Terminology troll would be more accurate. I don't think he actually gives a shit.

    A clue is how he never gives us his own definition. He just tries to troll those who attempt to define it.

    Of course i don't give a shit. A game will not be magically more fun (or less) to me if their labels are changed.

    That is why it is so funny to see so many here give a shit, to the point that they won't even acknowledge, or make wild spins, on the classifications on the game list on THIS site.

    In fact, let me hear again why Destiny 2 is classified as a "MMOFPS", and WoT is classified as a "action MMO". 
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,271
    Iselin said:
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


    Dude, you're the only terminology crusader on these boards.



    Terminology troll would be more accurate. I don't think he actually gives a shit.

    A clue is how he never gives us his own definition. He just tries to troll those who attempt to define it.

    Well he finally got banned :D
  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,972
    Maurgrim said:
    Iselin said:
    Who even cares at this point. Play the games you like, whether that be an MMORPG or an FPS or a farming simulator. Just enjoy what you play. I like Destiny 2, I like ESO, I have my own opinion on what an MMO is, but I don't honestly care. I don't see why everyone seems to.
    Obvious the crusaders who can't stomach their own definition of MMO is NOT being used care a great deal.

    Look at all the long posts about "logic" and "reasons" and lessons about the English language. You probably already notice that people are not here to talk about games they like to play. They are here to crusade against their position, whether it is ffa pvp, or how MMO should be defined.


    Dude, you're the only terminology crusader on these boards.



    Terminology troll would be more accurate. I don't think he actually gives a shit.

    A clue is how he never gives us his own definition. He just tries to troll those who attempt to define it.

    Well he finally got banned :D
    I've lost count of how many vacations he's taken. Always comes back with improved behavior that deteriorates pretty quickly. 
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