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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 442
    I remember growing up multiplayer usually meant 2-4. When MMOs came around they were a couple thousand people on which is why it went for the massively tag in front of the multiplayer. Was not hard to figure out which was which. Now we have more hybrid games which aren't really standard multiplayer or massive either. New category is needed, that is all.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    klash2def said:
    Loke666 said:
    MMOs Mean "Massive multiplayer online" so what is a MMO comes down to what the word "massive" means.

    Here is what Cambridge dictionary say:

    massive adjective

     UK ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/ US ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/

    B2 very large in sizeamount, or number:

    They have a massive house.
    She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
    If the drought continuesdeaths will occur on a massive scale.

    And it is number we are talking not size.

    Destiny do have 16 as max players, is that right? (don't play myself so it could be more or less).

    Is 16 a very large number of players?

    Every bloody FPS game today have that many or more so I would say it is average, not very large.

    Therefore is Destiny not a MMO and neither is Diablo 3. Any FPS game with 128 players on the other hand do qualify since that is indeed a very large number, like Joint Ops.
    Destiny has way more than 16 players on at a time. Are you thinking of GTA Online?
    And there are probably thousand of players online right now playing chess.  Chess still isn't an MMORPG.


    does this hypothetical chess game have a world with background and lore for your avatar to explore with other people's Avatars?? If so then yes the hell it is a MMORPG.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,666
    edited September 2017
    OMG - Online Multiplayer Game
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,575
    edited September 2017
    DMKano said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

    Yeah of course it is. MMO describes the game design and genre not its popularity or population... speaking of logic.
    So if a game has the potential to have massively MP gameplay, but actually it does not in reality, it is fine?



    IDK whether it's fine or not or give much of a shit about that irrelevancy.  A game is what it is depending on how it's built not on who or how many play it.



    This is one of those situations where both of you are right.

    MMO by design - Iselin is correct

    MMO in actually having enough playerbase to function as a MMO - Narius is right




    Except we base genre classifications on game design, not popularity.  There's no "pop" genre in video games.


    We do and it works because most MMOs have enough players to where they function as designed.

    So you are correct.

    Narius is talking about "MMO in actual gameplay"

    Once MMO loses so many players to where it fails to function correctly (not enough players to do MMO features such as raids, realm PvP etc...), from a players perspective the game ceased to be an MMO in terms of gameplay regardless of original design.
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  • KyutaSyukoKyutaSyuko Member UncommonPosts: 288
    I've got to agree with MadFrenchie in that with the term MMO it's referring to what the game is designed to handle vs what is actually there.  Most MMOs that fail at being MMOs don't generally last very long.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,884
    I've got to agree with MadFrenchie in that with the term MMO it's referring to what the game is designed to handle vs what is actually there.  Most MMOs that fail at being MMOs don't generally last very long.
    Exactly right , Its what its designed to be ..

             Silly at best to think ...

     A Car is not a car if noone is driving ..
     A Book is not  a book  if noone is reading it ...

                    Etc...

      silly semantics....weak

     
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    So lets combine MMO and RPG.. wow! sounds like a MMORPG to me! 

    Its crazy how much resistance change is usually met with at first. Destiny is doing something new for the MMO market, and tbh its refreshing. Just because its not the traditional mmo does not make it an less of an MMO. Not when it does all the things a mmo does.

    And Please folks stop saying COD.. Destiny is nothing like COD. In COD you pick a skin/loadout and jump into a arena style pvp match on random small maps or you play the single player campaign. COD is actually more like Halo.

    Destiny is a online experience that has a open world that you can explore with your friends as your own personal custom Guardian. Destiny has Quests, Heroics, Raids that require teamwork and dailes.. how is that not a MMORPG? Its really starting to sound like there are a bunch of old dinosaur thinking people on this forum..notice I said thinking, not age.. stop resisting change, you'd be surprised how much good can come from change. 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    klash2def said:
    klash2def said:
    Loke666 said:
    MMOs Mean "Massive multiplayer online" so what is a MMO comes down to what the word "massive" means.

    Here is what Cambridge dictionary say:

    massive adjective

     UK ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/ US ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/

    B2 very large in sizeamount, or number:

    They have a massive house.
    She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
    If the drought continuesdeaths will occur on a massive scale.

    And it is number we are talking not size.

    Destiny do have 16 as max players, is that right? (don't play myself so it could be more or less).

    Is 16 a very large number of players?

    Every bloody FPS game today have that many or more so I would say it is average, not very large.

    Therefore is Destiny not a MMO and neither is Diablo 3. Any FPS game with 128 players on the other hand do qualify since that is indeed a very large number, like Joint Ops.
    Destiny has way more than 16 players on at a time. Are you thinking of GTA Online?
    And there are probably thousand of players online right now playing chess.  Chess still isn't an MMORPG.


    does this hypothetical chess game have a world with background and lore for your avatar to explore with other people's Avatars?? If so then yes the hell it is a MMORPG.
    Even if it did, if you can only interact with one other player, it's still not an MMORPG.

    Battlefield has lore, a world with backgound, and an avatar.  It's not an MMORPG.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited September 2017
    Destiny has already received a sub genre label: shared world shooter.  That's a pretty astute classification, as you're sharing the game world, but unable to do so with massive amounts of players.

    Folks who wish to see continued development of MMORPGs do not, in any way, stand in the way of continued development of shared world shooters or MOBAs.  Why folks feel the need to assert that as a premise of their argument boggles me.  The popularity of CRPGs has little effect on the popularity of action RPGs.  They are only tangentially related by the RPG portion.
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  • KyutaSyukoKyutaSyuko Member UncommonPosts: 288
    klash2def said:
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    -snip-
    No one is arguing that Destiny is an RPG.  However with your definition of MMO Call of Duty would be an MMO since thousands of other people are playing it online at the same time you are.  What makes an MMO an MMO is that the game world is designed to house thousands of people at the same time.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    klash2def said:
    klash2def said:
    Loke666 said:
    MMOs Mean "Massive multiplayer online" so what is a MMO comes down to what the word "massive" means.

    Here is what Cambridge dictionary say:

    massive adjective

     UK ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/ US ​ /ˈmæs.ɪv/

    B2 very large in sizeamount, or number:

    They have a massive house.
    She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
    If the drought continuesdeaths will occur on a massive scale.

    And it is number we are talking not size.

    Destiny do have 16 as max players, is that right? (don't play myself so it could be more or less).

    Is 16 a very large number of players?

    Every bloody FPS game today have that many or more so I would say it is average, not very large.

    Therefore is Destiny not a MMO and neither is Diablo 3. Any FPS game with 128 players on the other hand do qualify since that is indeed a very large number, like Joint Ops.
    Destiny has way more than 16 players on at a time. Are you thinking of GTA Online?
    And there are probably thousand of players online right now playing chess.  Chess still isn't an MMORPG.


    does this hypothetical chess game have a world with background and lore for your avatar to explore with other people's Avatars?? If so then yes the hell it is a MMORPG.
    Even if it did, if you can only interact with one other player, it's still not an MMORPG.

    Battlefield has lore, a world with backgound, and an avatar.  It's not an MMORPG.
    How does that apply to Destiny though? It makes no sense, I literally just told you what Destiny is. Idk who said you can only interact with one person in Destiny but its simply not true. 

    Lets go back because I feel like you are trying to get around what I said. 

    You said: "And there are probably thousand of players online right now playing chess.  Chess still isn't an MMORPG."

    Cool. I asked you does your Chess game with 1000's of people have lore and a WORLD SPACE for your to interact with, do quests on with your Avatar and others Avatars? IF it does it an MMO. There is no way around that. 

    You said: 
    Even if it did, if you can only interact with one other player, it's still not an MMORPG.

    Battlefield has lore, a world with backgound, and an avatar.  It's not an MMORPG.
    What? I never said Destiny can interact with one other person only.. Im confused why you even said that.. 

    Battlefield has lore a world with background and an avatar, but its also has a single player campaign and it has a MULTIPLAYER MODE. Its very clear. They designed it as a FPS game first. They have a option for Multiplayer MODE. You don't have a custom Avatar, you pick a skin that represents a load-out and you go off on a small pvp map. That is in no shape or form like Destiny. I can tell you have never even played Destiny or you would know the difference between the two games. Destiny is nothing like you are trying to make it to be. 

    In Destiny there is no Multiplayer mode. Its just a online world. You log in and you are your avatar, you go start doing quests, dailies, raids, heroics or pvp with your friends. Its nothing like COD or BF so please stop using that comparison as its not accurate and misleading.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    -snip-
    No one is arguing that Destiny is an RPG.  However with your definition of MMO Call of Duty would be an MMO since thousands of other people are playing it online at the same time you are.  What makes an MMO an MMO is that the game world is designed to house thousands of people at the same time.
    .. I literally said You can play with 1000s of people not at the same time but you need GROUPS of people to do raids, heroics and the like to complete. So tell me.. in your favorite MMO.. you ever saw 1000's of people at the same time? Im curious, what's the max number you have seen before on your screen personally?  I'll wait for that answer.. lol man

    Edit: FFS why do people keep saying COD? Its NOTHING LIKE DESTINY. The only thing they have in common is the FPS part. Thats it. Its like saying Fallout is COD just because it has guns. Destiny is nothing like COD.. I repeat. 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited September 2017
    You're arguing a red herring.  You cannot interact with massive amounts of players in the game world in Destiny.

    There's no need to select a multiplayer server, they automatically match players to place in your game world.  Hence, it's a shared world shooter.

    Nothing about simply having others players around makes it massively multiplayer, because multiplayer is the adjective, massively is an adverb that modifies multiplayer.  Thus, simply including multiplayer does not make it an MMORPG.


    Having a large, open world does nothing, by itself, to qualify the game, either.  The Witcher has always had large worlds to explore.  It's not an MMORPG.

    EDIT- I've also played both D1 and D2.  Just because you're failing to keep up with context clues does not mean my argument is invalid.
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,304
    MASSIVE Online Multiplayer . 

    So MMO means anything but ... MOBA's , Multiplayer Shooters, Etc ..
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  • KyutaSyukoKyutaSyuko Member UncommonPosts: 288
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    klash2def said:
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    -snip-
    No one is arguing that Destiny is an RPG.  However with your definition of MMO Call of Duty would be an MMO since thousands of other people are playing it online at the same time you are.  What makes an MMO an MMO is that the game world is designed to house thousands of people at the same time.
    .. I literally said You can play with 1000s of people not at the same time but you need GROUPS of people to do raids, heroics and the like to complete. So tell me.. in your favorite MMO.. you ever saw 1000's of people at the same time? Im curious, what's the max number you have seen before on your screen personally?  I'll wait for that answer.. lol man

    Edit: FFS why do people keep saying COD? Its NOTHING LIKE DESTINY. The only thing they have in common is the FPS part. Thats it. Its like saying Fallout is COD just because it has guns. Destiny is nothing like COD.. I repeat. 
    Well seeing as an MMO's game WORLD tends to be pretty massive the chances of seeing thousands of people on screen at once is slim.  Especially since most servers wouldn't be able to handle that many which is why channels are created.  All those people are still in the same game world they may or may not be in the same area you're in.  In CoD there are group events such as capture the flag or the zombie mode, and I'm pretty sure you can play the campaign with a group of people too.  No one is saying Destiny and CoD are the same or even similar.  We're just saying that your definition of MMO is so vague that CoD falls under it.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    edited September 2017
    You're arguing a red herring.  You cannot interact with massive amounts of players in the game world in Destiny.

    There's no need to select a multiplayer server, they automatically match players to place in your game world.  Hence, it's a shared world shooter.

    Nothing about simply having others players around makes it massively multiplayer, because multiplayer is the adjective, massively is an adverb that modifies multiplayer.  Thus, simply including multiplayer does not make it an MMORPG.


    Having a large, open world does nothing, by itself, to qualify the game, either.  The Witcher has always had large world's to explore.  It's not an MMORPG.

    EDIT- I've also played both D1 and D2.  Just because you're failing to keep up with context clues does not mean my argument is invalid.
    LOL you literally compared Destiny to BF. What are you talking about? Good try at trying to insult my intelligence by saying "I'm failing to keep up with context clues" but the only context clues you left are ones that imply you have never played Destiny. Any Destiny player will tell you that Destiny is nothing like COD or BF. So when you say:

    "Even if it did, if you can only interact with one other player, it's still not an MMORPG.

    Battlefield has lore, a world with backgound, and an avatar.  It's not an MMORPG."

    That to me implies you have never played Destiny. Destiny has lore, a world with background and a shared space with multiple people to explore and do all the normal mmo things excluding crafting with friends. 

    Also I never said having a open world alone is a qualifier. Stop trying to twist my words to fit your narrative. I simply named the things that Destiny does that OTHER MMOS do. 

    Also stop avoiding the previous question. Please scroll up, read and respond. I want to know where you thought you were going with the whole hypothetical chess game thing.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    klash2def said:
    klash2def said:
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    -snip-
    No one is arguing that Destiny is an RPG.  However with your definition of MMO Call of Duty would be an MMO since thousands of other people are playing it online at the same time you are.  What makes an MMO an MMO is that the game world is designed to house thousands of people at the same time.
    .. I literally said You can play with 1000s of people not at the same time but you need GROUPS of people to do raids, heroics and the like to complete. So tell me.. in your favorite MMO.. you ever saw 1000's of people at the same time? Im curious, what's the max number you have seen before on your screen personally?  I'll wait for that answer.. lol man

    Edit: FFS why do people keep saying COD? Its NOTHING LIKE DESTINY. The only thing they have in common is the FPS part. Thats it. Its like saying Fallout is COD just because it has guns. Destiny is nothing like COD.. I repeat. 
    No one is saying Destiny and CoD are the same or even similar.  We're just saying that your definition of MMO is so vague that CoD falls under it.
    This is as accurate as it gets.  If you're going to water down the genre identifier to that point, there's no point in even using it anymore.  It becomes a useless descriptor.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    You're arguing a red herring.  You cannot interact with massive amounts of players in the game world in Destiny.

    There's no need to select a multiplayer server, they automatically match players to place in your game world.  Hence, it's a shared world shooter.

    Nothing about simply having others players around makes it massively multiplayer, because multiplayer is the adjective, massively is an adverb that modifies multiplayer.  Thus, simply including multiplayer does not make it an MMORPG.


    Having a large, open world does nothing, by itself, to qualify the game, either.  The Witcher has always had large world's to explore.  It's not an MMORPG.

    EDIT- I've also played both D1 and D2.  Just because you're failing to keep up with context clues does not mean my argument is invalid.
    LOL you literally compared Destiny to BF. What are you talking about? Good try at trying to insult my intelligence by saying "I'm failing to keep up with context clues" but the only context clues you left are ones that imply you have never played Destiny. Any Destiny player will tell you that Destiny is nothing like COD or BF. So when you say:

    "Even if it did, if you can only interact with one other player, it's still not an MMORPG.

    Battlefield has lore, a world with backgound, and an avatar.  It's not an MMORPG."

    That to me implies you have never played Destiny. Destiny has lore, a world with background and a shared space with multiple people to explore and do all the normal mmo things excluding crafting with friends. 

    Also I never said having a open world alone is a qualifier. Stop trying to twist my words to fit your narrative. I simply named the things that Destiny does that OTHER MMOS do. 

    Also stop avoiding the previous question. Please scroll up, read and respond. I want to know where you thought you were going with the whole hypothetical chess game thing.
    Destiny does what other MMORPGs do....  Save for the massively multiplayer part.


    And since you insist on trying to be a smartass while still missing very obvious context clues, allow me to enlighten:

    I suggested that simply having lots of players playing the same game at the same time is not massively multiplayer.  I utilized online chess to reinforce the point.  You responded reference my chess example, to which I responded back reference my chess example.  But, since it's much easier to play dumb and act as if I implied Destiny only allows duo multiplayer than it is to try and defend small team multiplayer games as MMORPGs because they borrow content mechanics from MMORPGs, you went off on some tangent that has nothing to do with my argument.
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  • FaunNoeFaunNoe Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Destiny isn't an MMO because It's not massive......
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    klash2def said:
    klash2def said:
    Destiny has a shared world space. Raids, Loots, Dailies, Heroics in a 100% online experience. Thats a MMO! The old dinosaur people are the real reason the mmo market is stagnant! Let it grow! Stop resisting it and lets embrace it and see what happens. I don't care about all the sub genres.. its a MMORPG at the end of the day. Here's why.

    In Destiny you play a ROLE of a Guardian trying to take back earth and other planets from the vex and cabal. See! That's already a RPG!

    In Destiny you play online with 1000s of other people (Although not at once) to do quests, raids, heroics, that need GROUPS of people to finish and all the normal mmo things you do everyday.. SEE its already a MMO!

    -snip-
    No one is arguing that Destiny is an RPG.  However with your definition of MMO Call of Duty would be an MMO since thousands of other people are playing it online at the same time you are.  What makes an MMO an MMO is that the game world is designed to house thousands of people at the same time.
    .. I literally said You can play with 1000s of people not at the same time but you need GROUPS of people to do raids, heroics and the like to complete. So tell me.. in your favorite MMO.. you ever saw 1000's of people at the same time? Im curious, what's the max number you have seen before on your screen personally?  I'll wait for that answer.. lol man

    Edit: FFS why do people keep saying COD? Its NOTHING LIKE DESTINY. The only thing they have in common is the FPS part. Thats it. Its like saying Fallout is COD just because it has guns. Destiny is nothing like COD.. I repeat. 
    Well seeing as an MMO's game WORLD tends to be pretty massive the chances of seeing thousands of people on screen at once is slim.  Especially since most servers wouldn't be able to handle that many which is why channels are created.  All those people are still in the same game world they may or may not be in the same area you're in.  In CoD there are group events such as capture the flag or the zombie mode, and I'm pretty sure you can play the campaign with a group of people too.  No one is saying Destiny and CoD are the same or even similar.  We're just saying that your definition of MMO is so vague that CoD falls under it.
    LOL Vague! Jesus..you are "pretty sure you can play COD Campaign with a group of people" Nope I'm pretty sure you cant. The most they ever did was adding a 2nd player option to campaign. Not even close to what Destiny is doing. 

    Okay since people are skim reading and trying to twist my words to fit a certain narrative,
    I'm going to say it again. I'm going to make very clear. Pay attention.

    MMO: Raids, Quests, Custom Avatar, Dungeons, Group Content, PVP, Open World, Access to 1000s people, ONLINE ONLY EXPERIENCE (( MMO NEEDS ALL OF THESE AT LEAST ))

    Destiny: Raids, Quests, Custom Avatar, Dungeons, Group Content, PVP, Open World, Access to 1000s of people, ONLINE ONLY EXPERIENCE (( DESTINY HAS ALL OF THESE ))

    COD/BF: Single Player Campaign, Multiplayer Modes, Zombie Mode, Loadout/Skin (not a custom avatar) (( COD/BF HAS THESE ))


    MadFrenchieExcessionTheScavengerMaurgrim
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited September 2017
    Annnnnnddddddd...  You're still arguing a red herring.  Noice!!
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    Annnnnnddddddd...  You're still arguing a red herring.  Noice!!
    annnnnnnnnnnddddd you are still missing the point. Noicer!!!
    IselinTheScavengerJamesGoblin
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    Annnnnnddddddd...  You're still arguing a red herring.  Noice!!
    annnnnnnnnnnddddd you are still missing the point. Noicer!!!
    Not at all.  You think forcing multiplayer on players and using dungeon crawling as group content qualifies Destiny to be an MMORPG.  Only, nothing about sharing the game world or dungeon crawling defines an MMORPG.  It qualifies it as multiplayer and RPG, respectively.  Additional features are needed to qualify it as massively multiplayer.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. I literally gave you all the ways Destiny is like other MMOs.. if you keep wanting to argue "but its not a mmo because its not big enough" then that's on you. Your argument its horrible. Destiny is a MMO like or not. I didn't make that up, I simply looked at the things it does, and the things other MMOs do and came to the conclusion. It does far too many MMO things to not be considered a MMO. You keep going back to its not big enough as in not enough people at the same time, Why? Massive does not mean literally 1000 people at once on your screen that's not even possible atm you even admitted so yourself.. so in the term MMO whats does Massive even mean? To me it means 1000's people that you have ACCESS TO. KEYWORD ACCESS. Read carefully please. 

    Like I said earlier that you for sure skimmed over, Smartphone vs PC.. both do the exact same thing only one is smaller than the other. They would both be defined as a type of Computer if you want to be technical but maybe people like you will say "NO a PHONE IS A PHONE! A PC IS A PC! THEY COULD NEVER BE ONE IN THE SAME!" smh.. sorry the world changed while you were asleep gramps! 

    So I guess all the MMOs on mobile, I guess they aren't MMO's either because they surely aren't "big enough" .. stagnant way of thinking.. hmm..............
    MadFrenchieExcessionTheScavengerMaurgrimJamesGoblin
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard

  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,550
    edited September 2017
    klash2def said:
    Annnnnnddddddd...  You're still arguing a red herring.  Noice!!
    annnnnnnnnnnddddd you are still missing the point. Noicer!!!
    Not at all.  You think forcing multiplayer on players and using dungeon crawling as group content qualifies Destiny to be an MMORPG.  Only, nothing about sharing the game world or dungeon crawling defines an MMORPG.  It qualifies it as multiplayer and RPG, respectively.  Additional features are needed to qualify it as massively multiplayer.
    Name the additional features please? I think we are getting somewhereeeeee...
    ExcessionTheScavenger
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard

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