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  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,036
    klash2def said:
    Watching vids on Destiny 2 (im hype yes I know) and I keep seeing the same argument on each comment section.. " FFS DESTINY IS NOT A MMO!" 

    Well, considering the defintion for MMO upon a basic google of the acronym here is what I found.. 


    MMO
    noun
    1. an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously
    So if Destiny: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space
    and if MMO: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space

    Then how is Destiny NOT an MMO? I think the term MMO needs to be redefined for the current generation of games because people are still trying to apply a old system to new games which said rules no longer apply. 

    SO in 2017 what do we consider a MMO if Destiny isnt one? Just curious? 
    At no point in the game does destiny allow you to play the game with a large, or massive group of people. Like I have said before, 1000 people playing chess doesn't make it an MMG. It makes it a 2 player game with a thousand people playing 500 instances of it.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,774
    madazz said:

    At no point in the game does destiny allow you to play the game with a large, or massive group of people. Like I have said before, 1000 people playing chess doesn't make it an MMG. It makes it a 2 player game with a thousand people playing 500 instances of it.

    "Like i have said before" .. yeah .. this particular argument has been said hundred of times by now.

    So is what you have said before changing minds yet? Do we have a consensus yet?
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,734
    Gonna bring this thread up again in 12 months.
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin

    "What does it mean to be human? In a time when people's humanity is perennially called into question?"
    - Dr. Cornell West
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard


  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,404
    klash2def said:
    Gonna bring this thread up again in 12 months.
    Rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-out-loud  

    Anyway, 
    An mmorpg is a world given to the player as he sees fit "unscripted".  It's also a hard game where players have to work together to survive. 

    This can't be disputed !
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,539
    Look at our world,that is what it is suppose to be,only difference is it is digital and we are real.
    We have millions of species on Earth,it is the same thing,you don't have to have humanoids to be the same as Earth,you can simply have species and should have an eco system,food ,drink,elements,survival,etc etc.

    The ONLY system that has been long debated and cannot work properly is perma death,for the sake of a long term video game it has to obviously be altered into a state of being downed or injured but never really dead.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,336
    It is like a person saying he is not gay, he is one of the following:  LGBTTIQQ2SA...


  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,062
    First they were MMORPG's.  Then they became MMO's and then MO's.  Now all they are is really just O's.
    Ex's and the oh, oh, oh's they haunt me
    Like ghosts they want me to make 'em all
    They won't let go
    Ex's and oh's

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,734
    GOTEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin

    "What does it mean to be human? In a time when people's humanity is perennially called into question?"
    - Dr. Cornell West
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard


  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    klash2def said:
    GOTEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,276
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    ConstantineMerus



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,062
    Clue #1: There are games called MUDs. For a time there was also a genre called "graphical MUDs." Then Richard Garriott coined the term "mmorpg" circa 1997. The rest is history.

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,276
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    klash2def



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?  Why does that fact preclude value assessments on changes?

    Let's up the stakes a bit and stick with your line of reasoning: most self-proclaimed "socialists" in America aren't actually socialists, but social democrats (little d).  That doesn't mean true socialists don't exist.  Are you okay with no longer being able to discern the difference?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,276
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?
    You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.

    It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.

    There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.  B)
    klash2def



  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,490
    I remember the term MMORPG being first.....i'm not sure when it got changed to MMO, maybe when the shooters started coming out?
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?
    You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.

    It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.

    There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.  B)
    Read my edit.

    It means the same as a term we already have.  No need to use it at all, then.  So I won't.  Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,276
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?
    You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.

    It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.

    There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.  B)
    Read my edit.

    It means the same as a term we already have.  No need to use it at all, then.  So I won't.  Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
    Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.

    And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people. 

    It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.

    All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*

    In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.

    It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.


    klash2def



  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,734
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?
    You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.

    It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.

    There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.  B)
    Read my edit.

    It means the same as a term we already have.  No need to use it at all, then.  So I won't.  Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
    Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.

    And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people. 

    It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.

    All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*

    In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.

    It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.



    SteelhelmVermillion_Raventhal
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin

    "What does it mean to be human? In a time when people's humanity is perennially called into question?"
    - Dr. Cornell West
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard


  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    DMKano said:
    This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.

    So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.

    Are you having fun playing it? 

    That's a lot more relevant.


    The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether. 
    Most likely this.


    Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless.  The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way.  When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.

    If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
    But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this. 

    It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.

    You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.

    Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.

    There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.

    Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
    And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.


    Where did I say language doesn't change?
    You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.

    It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.

    There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.  B)
    Read my edit.

    It means the same as a term we already have.  No need to use it at all, then.  So I won't.  Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
    Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.

    And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people. 

    It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.

    All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*

    In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.

    It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.


    So, again, online poker is an MMO, because a massive amount of folks access the game and can interact.  Battlefield?  MMO.  Call of Duty?  MMO.  Yet even folks advocating this evolution fall silent when you try to get them to acknowledge this.


    It's almost like trying to change the definition to one's personal desires leads to a blurry definition that causes confusion.  Specifically when it's used as a term separate from multiplayer despite those same advocated claiming it means just that.  Funny, that.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    And the silence...  Is deafening.

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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,734
    "PSA: We live in a multicultural world. Nobody is "forcing" diversity. Earth is already Diverse."

    "Everything that happens is a political act, and the only people that get to pretend otherwise are those privileged enough to not have politics impact them at all." ~Taliesin

    "What does it mean to be human? In a time when people's humanity is perennially called into question?"
    - Dr. Cornell West
     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer
    You've heard what I've heard


  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,695
    edited June 2019
    Different perspectives. 

    For Group A MMO is an initialization and is defined as a virtual world housing a large population. Massively means a lot to them; both in terms of the amount people can play together in a single instance and the world's size. Mechanics have no role in it. (Size does matter!) @MadFrenchie always a pleasure! ;)

    MMO isn't an initialization for Group B, but a genre name. They define this genre by certain characteristics and mechanics. Population has no role in it. (Size does not matter!)

    The eternal conflict between Group A and Group B has no end. It is the matter of perspective. I by no means imply that all ideas possess the same value. When it comes to Music, me and my mates have been arguing for 25 years about the differences of 'The Berlin School of Electronic Music' and 'Ambient Music' and 'Kraut Rock'. Bands have their own definitions. Critics have their own definitions. And the battle continues. 

    As @Sovrath pointed out my old comment, Group A is facing a tragedy. We all hoped a series of Kickstarters could revived that old concept. It seems we need to wait at least a couple of more years. 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Different perspectives. 

    For Group A MMO is an initialization and is defined as a virtual world housing a large population. Massively means a lot to them; both in terms of the amount people can play together in a single instance and the world's size. Mechanics have no role in it. (Size does matter!) @MadFrenchie always a pleasure! ;)

    MMO isn't an initialization for Group B, but a genre name. They define this genre by certain characteristics and mechanics. Population has no role in it. (Size does not matter!)

    The eternal conflict between Group A and Group B has no end. It is the matter of perspective. I by no means imply that all ideas possess the same value. When it comes to Music, me and my mates have been arguing for 25 years about the differences of 'The Berlin School of Electronic Music' and 'Ambient Music' and 'Kraut Rock'. Bands have their own definitions. Critics have their own definitions. And the battle continues. 

    As @Sovrath pointed out my old comment, Group A is facing a tragedy. We all hoped a series of Kickstarters could revived that old concept. It seems we need to wait at least a couple of more years. 
    Maybe splitting hairs considering the point of your post, but the "fall" of MMORPGs isn't the motivator for me.  Clear language is.  Consistency is.  Both are lacking in group B.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,276
    And the silence...  Is deafening.
    I do other things as well you know!  ;)

    So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.

    And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."

    Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want. 

    Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it. 

    What does this mean?

    That in a few years online poker will be an mmo! :p
    klash2defAmathe



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