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  • TheHavokTheHavok Member UncommonPosts: 2,423
    I float in and out of this game.  Its fun but...idk...I just get bored of massive ZvZ and GvG...not to mention playing as a healer is pretty brutal, especially when solo.  With that said, i'm looking forward to the Arena and PvE updates.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 3,093
    edited September 2017
    I bought it, played in beta for a while.. too much of a grind, I just don't enjoy the never ending resource grind. 
    Pick your grind. All MMOs have 'em.

    Option 1: Resource grind
    Option 2: Quest grind
    Option 3: Level grind
    Option 4: Legendary weapon/armor grind
    Option 5: PK grind
    Option 6: Achievement grind
    Option 7: Crafting grind
    Option 8: Currency grind
    Option 9: Skill grind

    Shall I go on?

    If the real problem is grind, you should stop playing MMOs.

    Not all grinds are created equal; this is intellectually dishonest and way too general to really solidify any point.
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  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,863
    Suraknar said:
    A brand new MMO , sandbox , pvp

    Is this not something many constantly wish for on this forums.
    So why are not more people here playing it ?

    Because the game is not Sandbox. I have been playing for a month, and what I have to say is..

    the similarity to UO ends at top down isometric view...

    This is not a Sandbox game, by any stretch of the imagination. The gameplay is pretty much defined.

    This is a Hybrid Design, an Open Ended, Territorial Conquest Game. It is more Kin to Lineage II than UO, and it is also very inspired by EVE Online, as a result it has reproduced some of the less desired aspects of EVE its Dystopian Setiup and some of its Dystopian player base.

    You will not be forming a Musical Band that roams the towns and villages perfroming here.

    You get drafted and get on with the program, choose the path you wish to go and level it and then join one of the Guilds/Alliances and start fighting for some territory in the outlands. That is basically the game in a nut shell.

    If you like that sort f game, you will have fun in Albion. It has a narrow variety of players it appeals to unfortunately even if initially it attracted a wide variety of players since many thought it to be a Sandbox. Many left after the 1 month premium ended.

    I still play it, there is potential for it to go to a better direction. If they make the necessary changes. and besides I still have another couple of months premium so for now just going through the loops and hoops. Lets see the major update and decide then. most probably I will be in Albion till something better comes along such as Crowfall or Camelot unchained. Worlds adrift has my attention as well and I hear a new Isometric game too Arcfall (what is with all these Fall's in games lattely?) which has open housing like UO...and not instanced like Albion.

    Albion is a Zone based game too, The zones are small and not seamlessly connected, you have specific nodes where you can enter and exit the zones.

    One of its Unique features is that you can change abilities and role on almost the fly by wearing different gear. Of course, provided that you have leveled tha gear so that you can wear it.

    That is the other coin of the "You are what you wear", which should be "you are what you grind to wear"...

    Nevertheless overall if you pick one type of gear and weapon you can progress it fairly fast, meaning in a rl months time. Maybe 1 to two weeks of played time.

    And fortunately the difference in gear between the tiers is not that big either. The median Gear is T4 it is also what most use in hostile areas where you can lose it.

    In that regard raising all the skills to T4 is possible so, you could be what you wear in T4, beyond that though it is along term proposition.

    Game is rather grindy and repetitious with some times sinks and tediums. There are not enough Open Dungeons to go to so many people just repeat Instanced Expeditions over and over to skill up.

    Crafting is even more of a grind, and the longest skills to raise are gathering skills. You will do much gathering in this game if you want to be efficient crafter.

    There is another way to raise crafting (by simply studying items you buy) which some people use but that is not a sustainable way, because you cannot depend on the market prices which are very inflated and high to be buying your mats for crafting.

    Since gathering is based on rarity and not a surplus, right now crafting materials are more expensive in some cases than the crafted gear.

    This is a downside of emulating EVE setup too much...by spreading resources on gradually more and more hostile areas.

    Why they did that I believe is to push people towards the core of the game which is Territorial Conquest and conflict, however, this is a small game and a small map, unlike EVE...plus..in EVE you do not need to mine something or craft something to raise your skill. Skills are raised in passive mode.

    In Albion you are ion active mode, so they expect the average player seeking to raise their crafting to T7/T8 to venture in to alliance territory to do it?

    Who goes to 0/0 to mine if they are not part of the owning Corp or alliance in EVE? No one..so why they expect players to do it here..is beyond me, design oversight, is my best guess.

    Something is really wrong with the setup here..it is not fitting with a land based game. it fits EVE maybe because it is in Space, but not here.

    We will see how it evolves, but I hope the answer to the OP question lies within this reply. Again, if you like this type of game and fit the player profile you can have fun in it. Remember though it is not Sandbox.
    Yes ... you are 100% right.

    I left too. The game was fun a bit. And it has potential maybe. But at the moment its really paint by the numbers - even more than non sandbox MMO.

    Beside from that leaving of players left the game unfeasible for single player.


    SuraknarGdemami



  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    Albion online all around pretty much sucks!  The game claims to be a sandbox type game but yet they force the same people that want to craft and do gathering into PVP zones in order to be able to gather those materials.  What the clueless developers of Albion Online don't seem to understand is that not everyone wants to PVP and some of us are just happy gathering and crafting. 

    If it was a true sandbox game then the players  should not be forced into PVP and
    all materials from tier 1 to tier 8 should be able to be gathered outside of PVP
    zones and they should not force the players into PVP areas if they do not want to
    go there.

    Basically all this game turns into is another giant gank fest where once you get past
    tier 4 materials for crafting anyone that wants to do crafting gets ganked
    repeatedly over and over again by teams of gank squads who roam around the
    zones. There are 8 different tiers of materials you can get up to tier 8.

    Also the servers seem to be pretty piss poorly run too you will be running around a
    zone collecting materials then boom all of a sudden you are logged out of the game and you have to log back in again.  There are no connection issues on my side what so ever I can go do everything else just fine. It is on the server side.

    Or I have had a few times where I could not even connect to their login server to be able to log into the server again it isn't my connection it is on the server side I could surf and do everything else normally except connect to the game.

    The servers are over crowded with 13 year old kids masturbating every time they kill a crafter and steal their stuff.

    The game is also full of bots as well out gathering materials and
    you do a /report on the bot and nothing gets done about it
    seems the admins of this game don't give a shit as long as they
    get your money.


    This is absolutely the worst "Sandbox" game I have ever seen.
    I use the term "sandbox" lightly for this game because really it isn't
    because a true sandbox game would not force a person who wants to
    craft to go into PVP zones to get materials and you should be able to just
    craft all the way up if you wish without having to do PVP.

    Albion online got the whole open world PVP concept totally wrong.

    Customer service on this game is rude and uncaring and they really don't give a shit. 

    The game is NOT free either I saw some sites advertising the this game is free to play it is not you have to buy a "starter pack" which ranges anywhere from $29.95
    USD (Veteran) up to $99.95 USD (Legendary) and then after that you can purchase
    a "premium" to be able to keep other perks in the game and pay a monthly fee of
    $9.95 USD a month.  This game is in NO way free to play!

    Avoid this game at all costs the player base is toxic and rude and just full of assholes.

    Rating of Albion Online 1/10

    You really don't understand the concept of a FFA PVP sandbox world.

    You don't have a "right" to do anything, including top tier PVE and crafting.

    You want to do those,  join a group who will make such territory available to you.

    Even in EVE you cannot mine the best ores unless you go into 0.0, and though.the game will let you train for them its a bit pointless if a player never goes into 0.0.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 7,090
     RNG is the one feature that makes me hesitant to play new MMORPGs because it is the one thing I have no control over. I can grind if I need to but I sincerely have the most horrible luck when it comes to rolling for items and stuff like that so the RNG is the single thing I will avoid unless the end game holds no interest to me like Black Desert which I played in spite of RNG because I don't like end game PvP as a goal.
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  • majinantmajinant Member UncommonPosts: 418
    edited September 2017
    Because it was supposed to be free at release. They said it would be for years then at the last minute decided to charge us! I am not going to pay for it before I get to try! Been screwed over way to many times to do that again!



  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Member EpicPosts: 1,955
    Because full loot OWPvP + class, skills, and abilities primarily determined by gear = Really, really stupid design. 

    Also, changing the pricing model from F2P to B2P relatively late into development just screams, "Oh crap, we need more money!", which is never a good sign.
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  • SatanikzSatanikz Member CommonPosts: 20
    The game is not very good, I am a legendary founder and started following it in 2015. The game has gotten worse since the first betas to be honest. They are trying to please everybody and not staying true to vision.

    It's turned into an amalgamation of poorly implemented features not suitable for the genre and they keep removing the things that were good, like the original openworld chests. 
    Kyleran
  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Any game that claims to be a sandbox game that forces players to participate in an aspect of the game that requires them to perform an act against their will is not a true sandbox game.
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  • BestinnaBestinna Member UncommonPosts: 188
    maybe once it's f2p i'll give it a try
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,804
    edited September 2017

    Also, changing the pricing model from F2P to B2P relatively late into development just screams, "Oh crap, we need more money!", which is never a good sign.
    Not really; I think it screams "Oh crap, F2P means more gold sellers".  The developers have made some mistakes, but moving from F2P to B2P isn't one of them.
    Would be the case if they didn't have a post in their official forums about the reason to extend the closed beta test with founders pack. On the words of the devs themselves: We want raise more money selling founders pack.

    No testing, no tweaks. Just wanted more money from founders pack.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    Nyctelios said:

    Also, changing the pricing model from F2P to B2P relatively late into development just screams, "Oh crap, we need more money!", which is never a good sign.
    Not really; I think it screams "Oh crap, F2P means more gold sellers".  The developers have made some mistakes, but moving from F2P to B2P isn't one of them.
    Would be the case if they didn't have a post in their official forums about the reason to extend the closed beta test with founders pack. On the words of the devs themselves: We want raise more money selling founders pack.

    No testing, no tweaks. Just wanted more money from founders pack.
    I missed that post,  can you link it?

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    Teala said:
    Any game that claims to be a sandbox game that forces players to participate in an aspect of the game that requires them to perform an act against their will is not a true sandbox game.
    I'm  not aware of this game forcing players to do anything against their will, can you provide specific example?




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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,350
    Kyleran said:
    Teala said:
    Any game that claims to be a sandbox game that forces players to participate in an aspect of the game that requires them to perform an act against their will is not a true sandbox game.
    I'm  not aware of this game forcing players to do anything against their will, can you provide specific example?




    I'm gong to guess she means that players, in order to get certain resources, have to go into pvp zones? I think I read something like that.

    It's amazing how people have different idea about what makes a "sandbox" game.
    Kyleran
  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 878
    Kyleran said:
    Albion online all around pretty much sucks!  The game claims to be a sandbox type game but yet they force the same people that want to craft and do gathering into PVP zones in order to be able to gather those materials.  What the clueless developers of Albion Online don't seem to understand is that not everyone wants to PVP and some of us are just happy gathering and crafting. 

    If it was a true sandbox game then the players  should not be forced into PVP and
    all materials from tier 1 to tier 8 should be able to be gathered outside of PVP
    zones and they should not force the players into PVP areas if they do not want to
    go there.

    Basically all this game turns into is another giant gank fest where once you get past
    tier 4 materials for crafting anyone that wants to do crafting gets ganked
    repeatedly over and over again by teams of gank squads who roam around the
    zones. There are 8 different tiers of materials you can get up to tier 8.

    Also the servers seem to be pretty piss poorly run too you will be running around a
    zone collecting materials then boom all of a sudden you are logged out of the game and you have to log back in again.  There are no connection issues on my side what so ever I can go do everything else just fine. It is on the server side.

    Or I have had a few times where I could not even connect to their login server to be able to log into the server again it isn't my connection it is on the server side I could surf and do everything else normally except connect to the game.

    The servers are over crowded with 13 year old kids masturbating every time they kill a crafter and steal their stuff.

    The game is also full of bots as well out gathering materials and
    you do a /report on the bot and nothing gets done about it
    seems the admins of this game don't give a shit as long as they
    get your money.


    This is absolutely the worst "Sandbox" game I have ever seen.
    I use the term "sandbox" lightly for this game because really it isn't
    because a true sandbox game would not force a person who wants to
    craft to go into PVP zones to get materials and you should be able to just
    craft all the way up if you wish without having to do PVP.

    Albion online got the whole open world PVP concept totally wrong.

    Customer service on this game is rude and uncaring and they really don't give a shit. 

    The game is NOT free either I saw some sites advertising the this game is free to play it is not you have to buy a "starter pack" which ranges anywhere from $29.95
    USD (Veteran) up to $99.95 USD (Legendary) and then after that you can purchase
    a "premium" to be able to keep other perks in the game and pay a monthly fee of
    $9.95 USD a month.  This game is in NO way free to play!

    Avoid this game at all costs the player base is toxic and rude and just full of assholes.

    Rating of Albion Online 1/10

    You really don't understand the concept of a FFA PVP sandbox world.

    You don't have a "right" to do anything, including top tier PVE and crafting.

    You want to do those,  join a group who will make such territory available to you.

    Even in EVE you cannot mine the best ores unless you go into 0.0, and though.the game will let you train for them its a bit pointless if a player never goes into 0.0.
    Haven't played EVE since 2008, but 0.0 used to be safer than low sec..lol  Used to take my corp there to do mining runs with our mining barges which hadn't been out long and never had a problem.  Getting them through low sec though was a pain.  Don't know about now though.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    Kyleran said:
    Albion online all around pretty much sucks!  The game claims to be a sandbox type game but yet they force the same people that want to craft and do gathering into PVP zones in order to be able to gather those materials.  What the clueless developers of Albion Online don't seem to understand is that not everyone wants to PVP and some of us are just happy gathering and crafting. 

    If it was a true sandbox game then the players  should not be forced into PVP and
    all materials from tier 1 to tier 8 should be able to be gathered outside of PVP
    zones and they should not force the players into PVP areas if they do not want to
    go there.

    Basically all this game turns into is another giant gank fest where once you get past
    tier 4 materials for crafting anyone that wants to do crafting gets ganked
    repeatedly over and over again by teams of gank squads who roam around the
    zones. There are 8 different tiers of materials you can get up to tier 8.

    Also the servers seem to be pretty piss poorly run too you will be running around a
    zone collecting materials then boom all of a sudden you are logged out of the game and you have to log back in again.  There are no connection issues on my side what so ever I can go do everything else just fine. It is on the server side.

    Or I have had a few times where I could not even connect to their login server to be able to log into the server again it isn't my connection it is on the server side I could surf and do everything else normally except connect to the game.

    The servers are over crowded with 13 year old kids masturbating every time they kill a crafter and steal their stuff.

    The game is also full of bots as well out gathering materials and
    you do a /report on the bot and nothing gets done about it
    seems the admins of this game don't give a shit as long as they
    get your money.


    This is absolutely the worst "Sandbox" game I have ever seen.
    I use the term "sandbox" lightly for this game because really it isn't
    because a true sandbox game would not force a person who wants to
    craft to go into PVP zones to get materials and you should be able to just
    craft all the way up if you wish without having to do PVP.

    Albion online got the whole open world PVP concept totally wrong.

    Customer service on this game is rude and uncaring and they really don't give a shit. 

    The game is NOT free either I saw some sites advertising the this game is free to play it is not you have to buy a "starter pack" which ranges anywhere from $29.95
    USD (Veteran) up to $99.95 USD (Legendary) and then after that you can purchase
    a "premium" to be able to keep other perks in the game and pay a monthly fee of
    $9.95 USD a month.  This game is in NO way free to play!

    Avoid this game at all costs the player base is toxic and rude and just full of assholes.

    Rating of Albion Online 1/10

    You really don't understand the concept of a FFA PVP sandbox world.

    You don't have a "right" to do anything, including top tier PVE and crafting.

    You want to do those,  join a group who will make such territory available to you.

    Even in EVE you cannot mine the best ores unless you go into 0.0, and though.the game will let you train for them its a bit pointless if a player never goes into 0.0.
    Haven't played EVE since 2008, but 0.0 used to be safer than low sec..lol  Used to take my corp there to do mining runs with our mining barges which hadn't been out long and never had a problem.  Getting them through low sec though was a pain.  Don't know about now though.
    Pretty much still true, I relocated to 0.0 as it was easier to identify the bad guys, especially with the great intel networks.

    Though wormholes make it possible to get to 0.0 to mine without going through low sec if you like.

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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    Bestinna said:
    maybe once it's f2p i'll give it a try

    I give it a year or two tops.
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,316
    I only see a limited amount of territory, but the are where I'm at, seems to have a fairly good population.  I'm not on often atm, playing other things, but I pop in/out, and things seem to be trucking along.  Is it the masses of ESO or WoW?  Of course not, everyone knew that from early on.  It's been an acknowledged niche game since waaaaaayyyy back.

    My advise is to stop worrying about the numbers, and enjoy the game.

    Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.

  • SuraknarSuraknar Member UncommonPosts: 852
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Teala said:
    Any game that claims to be a sandbox game that forces players to participate in an aspect of the game that requires them to perform an act against their will is not a true sandbox game.
    I'm  not aware of this game forcing players to do anything against their will, can you provide specific example?




    I'm gong to guess she means that players, in order to get certain resources, have to go into pvp zones? I think I read something like that.

    It's amazing how people have different idea about what makes a "sandbox" game.
    Why? Let me ask this, was Star Wars Galaxies a Sandbox game?

    I think it was, many think it was. Yet it had Consensual PvP.

    The point is that you are right, it is amazing how people think that a game is Sandbox just because it features FFA Full Loot PvP...it is but a feature..it is not what defines a Sandbox Game.

    The problem with Albion is that it follows upon EVE's setup (actually it copies it quite faithfully). However it forgot to take under account that EVE is not a prime example of how a Sandbox game should be setup. EVE is setup in such a way as to cater to its own Background Dystopian setting of Dog eats Dog between a Corporate world swimming in greed and opportunism where Murder is just a means to an end, and it is not punished and many times rewarded.

    In a non Dystopian, normal society, Murder is not rewarded.

    And the problem is that I do not think that any of the Albion Designers actually asked themselves if such a Dystopian setup would work for a Game set in Fantasy.

    It worked for EVE because it is in a far off place in Space... and futuristic. It is a Sci-Fi setting and it attracts specific people who like that sort of thing. Such as original ELITE, or Trade Wars players.

    Albion is set in High Fantasy, the mentality of players is not the same. The majority join with Romanticized Noble Knights and Powerful Mages in mind or Humble Gatherers and Traders and Farmers. Not many go to a game such as Albion with the idea to become a great Criminal and Murderer ganking people left and with...unless... you are a disillusioned EVE player who thinks this is actually fun... (watch YouTube how EVE players make videos such as "Beginners Guide to Ganking" and laugh about it thinking it is all cool..it is within EVE maybe.but not the rest of the world).

    In Fantasy MMORPG's (and most probably anywhere outside EVE) things are different there is history here that has established a base of comparison. When people hear "Sandbox" in the context of a Fantasy game the first  thought is..Ultima Online.

    Recently heralded as the Premium Sandbox Game in MMORPG.com even given the 3rd place among the 10 Best MMORPG's of all time!

    So compared to UO..how does Albion compare really?

    I will tell you, it is Dystopian, it is shallow, it is empty of meaning and purpose and very bland. Yes it does not even have a proper Criminality Punishment system as a result. Actually Ganking is encouraged and heralded..like EVE..hence Dystopian. And it does try to funnel everyone in to territory where they will get ganked to provide "fun" for the ganker community it tries to cater at.

    Did I mention that it is not a Sandbox? The game is a simply a Guild vs Guild competition MMO. Which is supposed to have Territorial Conquest but on latest news no one is able to conquer any of the Beta Guilds claimed territory because they would quit if they lose it. (you get the picture of synergy between players and Devs here don't you?)...

    To be fair, it is a very stable client and server (now that 4/5 of people left and they addressed some DDOS issues), It is playable smoothly on a 10 year old PC on 4 Gigs or Ram..., it has a very smooth execution of combat (reminiscent of WoW but isometric view), skills effects are nice (again remineschent of WoW), Trinity type gameplay in PvP and PVE. And I personally like the Art Style.

    However, eventually, any veteran player of MMORPG's will recognize the fact that... Gameplay > Graphics.

    And Albion does not have a good Long term Gameplay, it is actually a Huge filter that eliminates players form the first day on, and only a niche remains to compete for the end game. (not unlike EVE).

    And its community wants it like that and so...Let the dogs of Albion eat eachother I say. And move on.

    I am looking at Legends of Aria, now that is a Sandbox game in the fine Tradition of UO. And yes people will be able to gather and raise their skills and interact with other players and run their shops and taverns and enjoy their creations from the ample sand in it without having to PvP if that is not their choice.

    Anyways the conclusion is that Albion, is not a Sandbox MMORPG. To be able to choose whether you go in to gankland or not, whether you sell your wares in the Auction House or whether you try to fight in GvG...or whether to build or not yoru instanced house, are not player choices which define a game as Sandbox or not.

    These types of choices are the same as in lets say WoW, to choose to go in a Battleground or not. To attack an opposite Faction player or not. To Build your instanced House or not. To craft and sell your items in the Action house or not. And we all know WoW is not a Sandbox game. The only difference really is that Albion was designed with PvP in mind and WoW with PVE in mind.

    My two cents.
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  • SirBalinSirBalin Member UncommonPosts: 1,300
    This game is massively packed, what are you talking about??  
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    They ever get iPad support put in place?

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  • SuraknarSuraknar Member UncommonPosts: 852
    edited September 2017
    SirBalin said:
    This game is massively packed, what are you talking about??  
    Yea well it is a small game and map. So right now apparently (numbers reported ion Albion Forums) it runs with about 50k players. But it is down from the 250k that started at launch. And ..were actually overloading the server as the game is small and could not handle that many players.

    So I think now it runs at its optimum population. Which is fine. A niche that may enjoy this type of setup of a game and compete, and buy gold to out compete one another etc etc as well as pays for premium every month (game really not playable without it). And works for the business model and the niche.

    Here a nice video showing GvG combat. Reminiscent of WoW battleground top down. And EVE too because it all happens in Albion's 0.0 Ganklands (Outlands).

    https://youtu.be/wezp23Kpia0

    But this is what the game is all about. We are very far from Sandbox..there is no role here the player can define, it is defined by the design of the game. You do not have Tools in the world. You cannot decide to open a Tavern and Socially interact with others. You will not be forming musical bands here to give performances from town to town. In fact most people will ignore you in chat even. You go to Ganklands you get attacked KoS, kill on sight for your "loot"..and since there is not consequences for killing someone else..it is FFA, and full of Gankbears.

    The gameplay is linear quite directed.

    Now, if you like this. By all means go and fave your fun. No problem there!

    But lets call a spade a spade here. Albion is not a Sandbox game and this is the answer to the OP question.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,124
    Suraknar said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Teala said:
    Any game that claims to be a sandbox game that forces players to participate in an aspect of the game that requires them to perform an act against their will is not a true sandbox game.
    I'm  not aware of this game forcing players to do anything against their will, can you provide specific example?




    I'm gong to guess she means that players, in order to get certain resources, have to go into pvp zones? I think I read something like that.

    It's amazing how people have different idea about what makes a "sandbox" game.
    Why? Let me ask this, was Star Wars Galaxies a Sandbox game?

    I think it was, many think it was. Yet it had Consensual PvP.

    The point is that you are right, it is amazing how people think that a game is Sandbox just because it features FFA Full Loot PvP...it is but a feature..it is not what defines a Sandbox Game.

    The problem with Albion is that it follows upon EVE's setup (actually it copies it quite faithfully). However it forgot to take under account that EVE is not a prime example of how a Sandbox game should be setup. EVE is setup in such a way as to cater to its own Background Dystopian setting of Dog eats Dog between a Corporate world swimming in greed and opportunism where Murder is just a means to an end, and it is not punished and many times rewarded.

    In a non Dystopian, normal society, Murder is not rewarded.

    And the problem is that I do not think that any of the Albion Designers actually asked themselves if such a Dystopian setup would work for a Game set in Fantasy.

    It worked for EVE because it is in a far off place in Space... and futuristic. It is a Sci-Fi setting and it attracts specific people who like that sort of thing. Such as original ELITE, or Trade Wars players.

    Albion is set in High Fantasy, the mentality of players is not the same. The majority join with Romanticized Noble Knights and Powerful Mages in mind or Humble Gatherers and Traders and Farmers. Not many go to a game such as Albion with the idea to become a great Criminal and Murderer ganking people left and with...unless... you are a disillusioned EVE player who thinks this is actually fun... (watch YouTube how EVE players make videos such as "Beginners Guide to Ganking" and laugh about it thinking it is all cool..it is within EVE maybe.but not the rest of the world).

    In Fantasy MMORPG's (and most probably anywhere outside EVE) things are different there is history here that has established a base of comparison. When people hear "Sandbox" in the context of a Fantasy game the first  thought is..Ultima Online.

    Recently heralded as the Premium Sandbox Game in MMORPG.com even given the 3rd place among the 10 Best MMORPG's of all time!

    So compared to UO..how does Albion compare really?

    I will tell you, it is Dystopian, it is shallow, it is empty of meaning and purpose and very bland. Yes it does not even have a proper Criminality Punishment system as a result. Actually Ganking is encouraged and heralded..like EVE..hence Dystopian. And it does try to funnel everyone in to territory where they will get ganked to provide "fun" for the ganker community it tries to cater at.

    Did I mention that it is not a Sandbox? The game is a simply a Guild vs Guild competition MMO. Which is supposed to have Territorial Conquest but on latest news no one is able to conquer any of the Beta Guilds claimed territory because they would quit if they lose it. (you get the picture of synergy between players and Devs here don't you?)...

    To be fair, it is a very stable client and server (now that 4/5 of people left and they addressed some DDOS issues), It is playable smoothly on a 10 year old PC on 4 Gigs or Ram..., it has a very smooth execution of combat (reminiscent of WoW but isometric view), skills effects are nice (again remineschent of WoW), Trinity type gameplay in PvP and PVE. And I personally like the Art Style.

    However, eventually, any veteran player of MMORPG's will recognize the fact that... Gameplay > Graphics.

    And Albion does not have a good Long term Gameplay, it is actually a Huge filter that eliminates players form the first day on, and only a niche remains to compete for the end game. (not unlike EVE).

    And its community wants it like that and so...Let the dogs of Albion eat eachother I say. And move on.

    I am looking at Legends of Aria, now that is a Sandbox game in the fine Tradition of UO. And yes people will be able to gather and raise their skills and interact with other players and run their shops and taverns and enjoy their creations from the ample sand in it without having to PvP if that is not their choice.

    Anyways the conclusion is that Albion, is not a Sandbox MMORPG. To be able to choose whether you go in to gankland or not, whether you sell your wares in the Auction House or whether you try to fight in GvG...or whether to build or not yoru instanced house, are not player choices which define a game as Sandbox or not.

    These types of choices are the same as in lets say WoW, to choose to go in a Battleground or not. To attack an opposite Faction player or not. To Build your instanced House or not. To craft and sell your items in the Action house or not. And we all know WoW is not a Sandbox game. The only difference really is that Albion was designed with PvP in mind and WoW with PVE in mind.

    My two cents.
    I just read the article on Legends of Aria and it mentioned having PVP zones and non PVP zones. 

    It might not be a whole lot different than Albion in terms of players being "encouraged" to visit the PVP zones.

    Trying to define what makes a sandbox style game is nigh impossible, almost no one will agree.  

    I feel EVE is a great example of one,  others call it a theme park, many like you compare games to UO or SWG and say if a MMO doesn't contain most of their designs, its not a sandbox.


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  • VengerVenger Member UncommonPosts: 1,309
    The deeper I got into the game the more shallow it felt.  Game is just as linear as WoW just focuses around pvp.
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  • MeepoMidOrF33Dz1MeepoMidOrF33Dz1 Member CommonPosts: 1
    edited November 2017
    Because this is one of the worst games you can play, I was reading a forum post yesterday on their forums, and some comments on their news sections, Sandbox Interactive is a German based company, and they censor everything that negatively points back to their game in a negative way.

    They refuse to answer the questions that have been posted but instead remove them.

    a.) Why did Sandbox Interactive know about gold sellers who do fraud during beta, they banned some peoples accounts for it, but instead they launched the game 2 months later after knowing it was going to be an issue and allowed the frauds to take place rather than putting in protections such as removing direct gold trade, and incidents like "The Iron Bank" drama and other guilds took advantage of this cheating, they could have prevented it and they knew about it.

    > The developers refuse to answer this especially Korn, the administrator, who gives the orders to all the staff to remove posts for pointing this out rather than locking, and addressing the issue, its like they don't want people to know.

    b.) Why this game company threatend on a in game welcome screen message to ban anyone who accepted in game items if they came from illegitimate sources for example if I do fraud myself and gave the items to others making myself look like I was just a kind person helping a newbie I can get that person banned or could have this is just unacceptable of a game company.

    I do not recommend Albion Online to anyone for these reasons of censorship, developers kicking people from the game without full evidence, and even threatening its playerbase, and this isn't even addressing the in game issues of unbalance, and cheating with zoom-hacks etc, a game with no anti-cheat.

    Black Desert Online, for starters is a halfway decent game if you got a 1070+ or 1080ti card and can run in max graphics it looks awesome, and there are other games too like Ashes, or Crow Fall which are being developed by the same developers from Star Wars Galaxies yep they will for sure be better sandbox based games.

    sorry for my rant, I wish this game was great I don't really like to say negative things but given a friend tried to drag me into Albion and I saw this stuff for myself...
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