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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293




    Talmien said:






    Nyctelios said:




    Hedeon said:









    Now the fun starts!





    Should be good for the next 3-4 years...




    yea I have a very hard time to believe this one will be delievered in 1.5 year as well, personally I expect that release 2018 December, ...




    Well, that's the alpha test, not the complete game as far as I know.









    That doesn't make any sense though. Their lowest tier package, explorer, delivers 1 month of game time along with chat emojis and character customization option lists a estimated delivery date of Dec 2018. That does not include alpha, or beta access, so you can only assume thats the currently planned release date.

    Which of course is silly, there is no way this game will release in 2018. 5 years from now, 2022, is a better estimate.

    And yes I know, its just a estimate. But its a terrible one, and greatly misleading.




    Which is why we ask those annoying question asking for more details.   Some people just accept what the great Wizard of Oz tells them. Others look behind the curtain.


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,766




    Talmien said:






    Nyctelios said:




    Hedeon said:









    Now the fun starts!





    Should be good for the next 3-4 years...




    yea I have a very hard time to believe this one will be delievered in 1.5 year as well, personally I expect that release 2018 December, ...




    Well, that's the alpha test, not the complete game as far as I know.









    That doesn't make any sense though. Their lowest tier package, explorer, delivers 1 month of game time along with chat emojis and character customization option lists a estimated delivery date of Dec 2018. That does not include alpha, or beta access, so you can only assume thats the currently planned release date.

    Which of course is silly, there is no way this game will release in 2018. 5 years from now, 2022, is a better estimate.

    And yes I know, its just a estimate. But its a terrible one, and greatly misleading.




    Which is why we ask those annoying question asking for more details.   Some people just accept what the great Wizard of Oz tells them. Others look behind the curtain.

    So in that story what did exposing Oz accomplish. Did it actually change their dilemma? What did it accomplish?

    You're misusing the lesson behind exposing Oz. It's misused as a simpleton's metaphor for "don't believe everything you hear". Well, no shit. That's not imparting any more special wisdom than the wolf in sheep's clothing parable does. Hey, not everyone you meet has your best interest at heart no matter how much they the benevolent skeptic card.

    The lesson behind exposing Oz is that there are no easy answers. The fact that he was a charlatan was just a device to convey drive the message home. There is no magician who can wave his magic wand and give you the courage, heart, and wisdom to face life's trials. You need to find and develop those within yourself. If it was that easy Glenda could have fixed it from the get go.

    So what does that have to do with this or any of the indie projects?
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  • TazdragoTazdrago Member UncommonPosts: 43
    Lol another day another KickStarter..
  • time007time007 Member UncommonPosts: 1,054
    Whats next? Uber hype from this site for the next 5 years. This game is the next crowfall/chronicles of elyria wrapped into one game!

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,138

    Torval said:








    Talmien said:








    Nyctelios said:





    Hedeon said:











    Now the fun starts!






    Should be good for the next 3-4 years...





    yea I have a very hard time to believe this one will be delievered in 1.5 year as well, personally I expect that release 2018 December, ...





    Well, that's the alpha test, not the complete game as far as I know.











    That doesn't make any sense though. Their lowest tier package, explorer, delivers 1 month of game time along with chat emojis and character customization option lists a estimated delivery date of Dec 2018. That does not include alpha, or beta access, so you can only assume thats the currently planned release date.

    Which of course is silly, there is no way this game will release in 2018. 5 years from now, 2022, is a better estimate.

    And yes I know, its just a estimate. But its a terrible one, and greatly misleading.






    Which is why we ask those annoying question asking for more details.   Some people just accept what the great Wizard of Oz tells them. Others look behind the curtain.


    So in that story what did exposing Oz accomplish. Did it actually change their dilemma? What did it accomplish?

    You're misusing the lesson behind exposing Oz. It's misused as a simpleton's metaphor for "don't believe everything you hear". Well, no shit. That's not imparting any more special wisdom than the wolf in sheep's clothing parable does. Hey, not everyone you meet has your best interest at heart no matter how much they the benevolent skeptic card.

    The lesson behind exposing Oz is that there are no easy answers. The fact that he was a charlatan was just a device to convey drive the message home. There is no magician who can wave his magic wand and give you the courage, heart, and wisdom to face life's trials. You need to find and develop those within yourself. If it was that easy Glenda could have fixed it from the get go.

    So what does that have to do with this or any of the indie projects?


    L.O.L.

    Should be self evident for someone beyond simpleton metaphors. Sometimes the best lessons are learned when you figure it out yourself. Good luck !

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  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 274
    edited May 2017
    Hopefully, with a subscription based pay model we won't even have to think about a "store" with shitty incentives for sale for real money. Everything should be available ingame with a little (or a lot) of effort.

    You younger MMO players may not understand or agree with this concept, but it actually works.
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  • MightyPitMightyPit Member UncommonPosts: 91
    Actually, this very column brought me to the Kickstarter Project and i backed it. Thanks for that.
    After I read the KS description, I have the urgent feel that 750k is way too low for a budget of a MMO with PvE content. While it is not named a pve game, the hints "story" and "questing" are enough for me to assume that there is at least some pve content.
    But I must admit that the stretch goals are wisely chosen. Naval content and the underrealm are things I am really looking forward to. I Hope the underrealm will be reached by the end of the campaign. The flow of backers has been ebbed a little since the funding goal was achieved.

    MMO's played so far:
    UO,EQ,DAOC,EQ2,GW,ROM,WOW,WAR,AOC,LOTRO,RIFT,TSW,GW2,POE
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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,802
    Any excess funds raised after the final stretch goals are reached should be used to speed up development, imho. 
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,138

    TimEisen said:








    Talmien said:








    Nyctelios said:





    Hedeon said:











    Now the fun starts!






    Should be good for the next 3-4 years...





    yea I have a very hard time to believe this one will be delievered in 1.5 year as well, personally I expect that release 2018 December, ...





    Well, that's the alpha test, not the complete game as far as I know.











    That doesn't make any sense though. Their lowest tier package, explorer, delivers 1 month of game time along with chat emojis and character customization option lists a estimated delivery date of Dec 2018. That does not include alpha, or beta access, so you can only assume thats the currently planned release date.

    Which of course is silly, there is no way this game will release in 2018. 5 years from now, 2022, is a better estimate.

    And yes I know, its just a estimate. But its a terrible one, and greatly misleading.






    Which is why we ask those annoying question asking for more details.   Some people just accept what the great Wizard of Oz tells them. Others look behind the curtain.




    Loki spoke truth. 


    I've actually had this stuck in my head for a day... Thanks Tim!

    Maybe someday Ill drop the Mortal Online blurb and make this my signature 
    TimEisen

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,332

    MightyPit said:

    Actually, this very column brought me to the Kickstarter Project and i backed it. Thanks for that.

    After I read the KS description, I have the urgent feel that 750k is way too low for a budget of a MMO with PvE content. While it is not named a pve game, the hints "story" and "questing" are enough for me to assume that there is at least some pve content.

    But I must admit that the stretch goals are wisely chosen. Naval content and the underrealm are things I am really looking forward to. I Hope the underrealm will be reached by the end of the campaign. The flow of backers has been ebbed a little since the funding goal was achieved.


    Scary, you backed this game knowing so little about it.

    Here, I'll help you out. Total projected budget for the "core game" is $30M.

    All covered by private investors, or so the story goes.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,970
    edited May 2017
    time007 said:

    Whats next? Uber hype from this site for the next 5 years. This game is the next crowfall/chronicles of elyria wrapped into one game!

    The usual underestimation of what one MMO takes to create. On the AoC case, they still need a properly scaled development team, so that is coming next.

    It will be the same struggle, the same delays, I just don't get how can people expect some triple-A MMO out of a team of 14 people, this needs to be adjusted to reality on the money, on the size of the development team and on the time it will take to create.
  • ExcessionExcession Member RarePosts: 709

    MaxBacon said:

    time007 said:


    Whats next? Uber hype from this site for the next 5 years. This game is the next crowfall/chronicles of elyria wrapped into one game!


    The usual underestimation of what one MMO takes to create. On the AoC case, they still need a properly scaled development team, so that is coming next.

    It will be the same struggle, the same delays, I just don't get how can people expect some triple-A MMO out of a team of 14 people, this needs to be adjusted to reality on the money, on the size of the development team and on the time it will take to create.


    I had to laugh, one of the biggest cig/sc white knights out there, talking about adjusting to reality......

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,970

    Excession said:

    I had to laugh, one of the biggest cig/sc white knights out there, talking about adjusting to reality......

    Keep your bait and keep fishing.

    In proper means, SC went through the same thing and had to scale their own reality to fit the scale and ambition of the project, just like AoC will have to do.
  • kain89kain89 Member CommonPosts: 1
    edited May 2017
    Register for Ashes of Creation here: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ [mod edit]
    Post edited by Vaross on
  • TilenMTilenM Member UncommonPosts: 14
    They are crushing it everywhere ... Wherever and whenever you go in a world of mmorpgs, you are sure to see them.
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    time007 said:
    Whats next? Uber hype from this site for the next 5 years. This game is the next crowfall/chronicles of elyria wrapped into one game!
    I like your name but wanted to make clear any hype is of my own derision. 
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    If you sign up use my link https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/BLiNK/
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,300
    Torval said:




    Talmien said:






    Nyctelios said:




    Hedeon said:









    Now the fun starts!





    Should be good for the next 3-4 years...




    yea I have a very hard time to believe this one will be delievered in 1.5 year as well, personally I expect that release 2018 December, ...




    Well, that's the alpha test, not the complete game as far as I know.









    That doesn't make any sense though. Their lowest tier package, explorer, delivers 1 month of game time along with chat emojis and character customization option lists a estimated delivery date of Dec 2018. That does not include alpha, or beta access, so you can only assume thats the currently planned release date.

    Which of course is silly, there is no way this game will release in 2018. 5 years from now, 2022, is a better estimate.

    And yes I know, its just a estimate. But its a terrible one, and greatly misleading.




    Which is why we ask those annoying question asking for more details.   Some people just accept what the great Wizard of Oz tells them. Others look behind the curtain.

    So in that story what did exposing Oz accomplish. Did it actually change their dilemma? What did it accomplish?

    You're misusing the lesson behind exposing Oz. It's misused as a simpleton's metaphor for "don't believe everything you hear". Well, no shit. That's not imparting any more special wisdom than the wolf in sheep's clothing parable does. Hey, not everyone you meet has your best interest at heart no matter how much they the benevolent skeptic card.

    The lesson behind exposing Oz is that there are no easy answers. The fact that he was a charlatan was just a device to convey drive the message home. There is no magician who can wave his magic wand and give you the courage, heart, and wisdom to face life's trials. You need to find and develop those within yourself. If it was that easy Glenda could have fixed it from the get go.

    So what does that have to do with this or any of the indie projects?
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