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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,122

    Leiloni said:









    Shadowven said:




    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.




    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation









    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/








    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  






    It's not a referral link. A referral link would have his username at the end of it after the last slash, but it doesn't. That link just functions as a regular link.


    He edited it after he was called out .

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,122


    Torval said:








    Torval said:

















    Shadowven said:






    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.






    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation













    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/












    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  








    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.






    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.


    Sorry, I guess I got confused by your selective outrage and offense at the practice. I didn't realize that it's only okay for you to attack posters when it fits your argument and never the established ones, just the low hanging fruit.

    I'm pretty sure flaming people and calling out moderation offenses are just as against the rules, but you're applying a double standard, again to fit your vendetta agenda. You're supposed to report people and not respond, flame, troll, or derail conversations either. Anything to say about that?

    Maybe you should try acting on your own advice.


    You seem very ill informed.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • anonentityanonentity Member UncommonPosts: 36

    Torval said:





    After ESO I will never subscribe to an mmo with a cash shop.

    Do one or the other, not both.




    They can't survive without both unless they crank up the prices of either to cover the missed revenue stream. On top of that I think maybe you're not being realistic. Only a few older fringe mmos don't sell digital extras. Ryzom comes to mind but I'm having a hard time thinking of any other sub based game that doesn't have a cash shop.




    I respectfully disagree. Rather it has become expected of the mmo industry to have a sub AND a cash shop and people have gone along with it.

    After being made to feel like a second class citizen in ESO for having a sub and NOT also shelling out for cash shop stuff I won't do it again.





  • zedsdeadzedsdead Member UncommonPosts: 19
    What's next? String the mmo community along for a few more years with 5-10 more opportunities to back the newest and greatest mmo that will never be released.
  • ShadowvenShadowven Member UncommonPosts: 11

    Leiloni said:









    Shadowven said:




    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.




    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation









    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/








    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  






    It's not a referral link. A referral link would have his username at the end of it after the last slash, but it doesn't. That link just functions as a regular link.


    Unfortunately, I did post a referral link, but i edited it out once he said it was against forum rules. I was unaware of that it was. Beside's my intent is and was only to inform people of this game and try to build the community for their success. I just believe that slapshot, was being quick to irrationality and ignorant in his response by not knowing my intentions. 

    Anyway, if you need more info or if there is anything i can help you with questions. I'll do my best to give you resources from Intrepid Studios page or streams.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,760





    Torval said:












    Torval said:





















    Shadowven said:







    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.







    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation















    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/














    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  










    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.








    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.



    Sorry, I guess I got confused by your selective outrage and offense at the practice. I didn't realize that it's only okay for you to attack posters when it fits your argument and never the established ones, just the low hanging fruit.

    I'm pretty sure flaming people and calling out moderation offenses are just as against the rules, but you're applying a double standard, again to fit your vendetta agenda. You're supposed to report people and not respond, flame, troll, or derail conversations either. Anything to say about that?

    Maybe you should try acting on your own advice.




    You seem very ill informed.


    About what exactly?

    I'm certainly not wrong that you're selectively calling people out for referral links. I'm not wrong that you chose to call out (flame) another member (against the rules) for forum violations. It seems pretty clear you're using the rules selectively to support your position in this thread.

    So yeah, what am I "pretty ill informed" about.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,125
    Every time I see AoC I immediately think Age of Conan, gotta get used to it being Ashes of Creation.


  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182

    Tiller said:

    Every time I see AoC I immediately think Age of Conan, gotta get used to it being Ashes of Creation.


    Yeah they're lucky Funcom isn't like Zenimax. At least they haven't shown themselves to be.  It would be a rather open and shut case in most US courts. They'd be calling themselves something else for sure...

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  • ShadowvenShadowven Member UncommonPosts: 11
    Here is some Q&A From Intrepid Studios On Discord Channel for those who may have the same questions.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,122

    Torval said:









    Torval said:
















    Torval said:

























    Shadowven said:








    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.








    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation

















    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/
















    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  












    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.










    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.




    Sorry, I guess I got confused by your selective outrage and offense at the practice. I didn't realize that it's only okay for you to attack posters when it fits your argument and never the established ones, just the low hanging fruit.

    I'm pretty sure flaming people and calling out moderation offenses are just as against the rules, but you're applying a double standard, again to fit your vendetta agenda. You're supposed to report people and not respond, flame, troll, or derail conversations either. Anything to say about that?

    Maybe you should try acting on your own advice.






    You seem very ill informed.




    About what exactly?

    I'm certainly not wrong that you're selectively calling people out for referral links. I'm not wrong that you chose to call out (flame) another member (against the rules) for forum violations. It seems pretty clear you're using the rules selectively to support your position in this thread.

    So yeah, what am I "pretty ill informed" about.


    All of the above.

    OK let's play this game.  You specifically called me a douche.  A very disparaging term.  You have yet to apologize. What exactly have I called you or anyone else?

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200

    Shadowven said:

    Here is some Q&A From Intrepid Studios On Discord Channel for those who may have the same questions.



    Thanks for sharing! Is there a public link to their discord?
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,760
    edited May 2017










    Torval said:














    After ESO I will never subscribe to an mmo with a cash shop.

    Do one or the other, not both.










    They can't survive without both unless they crank up the prices of either to cover the missed revenue stream. On top of that I think maybe you're not being realistic. Only a few older fringe mmos don't sell digital extras. Ryzom comes to mind but I'm having a hard time thinking of any other sub based game that doesn't have a cash shop.










    I respectfully disagree. Rather it has become expected of the mmo industry to have a sub AND a cash shop and people have gone along with it.

    After being made to feel like a second class citizen in ESO for having a sub and NOT also shelling out for cash shop stuff I won't do it again.








    Disagree about what, that they can't survive without them? Because you say so? Revenue and subscriber metrics support my point not yours.

    So don't play games. I couldn't care less. I'm only pointing out that your pickings are slim. It's hard to argue that a business doesn't need more revenue or to maximize their revenue streams.

    I can understand that you wanted something from the cash shop that your 1500 monthly stipend didn't immediately cover so you got salty. So don't play the games. Have fun with your next free hobby. There are a few that you can enjoy cheaper than gaming, not a lot, but a few.
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  • ShadowvenShadowven Member UncommonPosts: 11




    Shadowven said:


    Here is some Q&A From Intrepid Studios On Discord Channel for those who may have the same questions.





    Thanks for sharing! Is there a public link to their discord?


    Yes, I shared it in an earlier post, but here it is ^_^
    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation
  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200

    Distopia said:



    Tiller said:


    Every time I see AoC I immediately think Age of Conan, gotta get used to it being Ashes of Creation.




    Yeah they're lucky Funcom isn't like Zenimax. At least they haven't shown themselves to be.  It would be a rather open and shut case in most US courts. They'd be calling themselves something else for sure...


    Well, Zenimax trademarked their abbreviation,

    http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:mr78tl.3.5

    Funcom didn't (from what I can tell). Until then, AoC is fair game...

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,507

    Leiloni said:



    Nyctelios said:












    Shadowven said:









    Elminzter said:





    imo 750k to develop a mmorpg is unrealistic take a look at crowfall and camelot unchained, something does not add up...




















    Eliminzter, The game is already privately funded. The kickstarter is for bonus material and to help growth.








    Funded for the "core" product.  What exactly is considered in scope of the core product and what is excluded?  What is the budget for this "core" product?



    Jokes aside, I have the very same concern as you - adding the rewards having no concept to show what they actually are.






    You mean the KS rewards? They've posted concept art for the mounts, the monster token thing was shown in game on yesterday's livestream. There's a Phoenix aura or something that was described verbally on one of the livestreams as well. I haven't kept track of everything, this is just what I've seen personally. The point being they do know what all this stuff is going to be so they're not hiding it.

    I missed the concepts. You are right, there are concepts, they look real good. Thanks for pointing it out. I was wrong, you are right, no sarcasm intended.

    About the aura,  I said they verbally described on stream before.

    I did not say anything about hiding tho. You guys are bit edgy.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,294




    Torval said:













    Shadowven said:





    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.





    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation











    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/










    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  






    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.




    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.


    If I could see signatures in the phone version there would be a whole lot more reporting of referral links going on.

    Torval did you think someone who never misses an opportunity to correct the errors of others would fail to?

    Now back to Massively as their interviewer clearly requires reproof and correction.

    AoC indeed.....it's ASHES.   B)

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    If nothing this is another proof that there are people still want their mmorpgs to be mmorpgs.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,507


    If nothing this is another proof that there are people still want their mmorpgs to be mmorpgs.


    Well, games like Truck/Train Simulator and Farming Simulator which sells a lot of copies and its expansions are proof that you can get a lot of money from a niche market if said niche market is willing to pay for its high quality niche experience.
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  • killmaxskikillmaxski Member UncommonPosts: 25

    Elminzter said:

    imo 750k to develop a mmorpg is unrealistic take a look at crowfall and camelot unchained, something does not add up...




    The rest is already being backed by the dev team from my understanding. This kickstarter was just to add additional things the community showed interested for. I could be wrong tho, was following this but bought into Pantheon instead.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,760
    edited May 2017
    According to the massively interview Iselin posted, the game is self-funded to the budget of $30M+.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,122

    Torval said:

    According to the massively interview Iselin posted, the game is self-funded to the budget of $30M+.


    Excellent! THAT is what I have been asking for.  Did the Massively interview give a feel for what features are included in the "core" game and which are excluded?

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,030

    Torval said:

    According to the massively interview Iselin posted, the game is self-funded to the budget of $30M+.


    Yeah I want to have that much spare cash too so I can "do it right." Hell I even have a game developing son that I could talk into working cheap :)
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,760




    Torval said:


    According to the massively interview Iselin posted, the game is self-funded to the budget of $30M+.




    Excellent! THAT is what I have been asking for.  Did the Massively interview give a feel for what features are included in the "core" game and which are excluded?


    Somewhat. There are some Discord QA's that I think have better details, but Massively asked a few good questions. The pvp flagging was informative. His candor about the cash shop and their reasoning for coupling it with a sub found interesting because it was about a 180 from the way Matt Firor presented and sold their business model with ESO. It was mostly directed at his business history and pvp.

    Here is the link. I found it again (credit: I got it initially from Iselin): http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,122
    There is something down between my network and massively as I cannot connect.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

    Torval said:








    Torval said:



    According to the massively interview Iselin posted, the game is self-funded to the budget of $30M+.






    Excellent! THAT is what I have been asking for.  Did the Massively interview give a feel for what features are included in the "core" game and which are excluded?




    Somewhat. There are some Discord QA's that I think have better details, but Massively asked a few good questions. The pvp flagging was informative. His candor about the cash shop and their reasoning for coupling it with a sub found interesting because it was about a 180 from the way Matt Firor presented and sold their business model with ESO. It was mostly directed at his business history and pvp.

    Here is the link. I found it again (credit: I got it initially from Iselin): http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/




    What I found interesting was the 30m funding target. My question would be, "Do you have the funding set aside to complete this regardless of crowdfunding? Or are you relying on crowdfunding to meet your funding target?" 

    He mentions almost in passing that "The Kickstarter and any other crowdfunding we might engage in is intended to add to that budget, for additional scope on certain systems we intend to reveal throughout development." So does that mean he's personally investing $30 million into it? Like that's what he's already budgeted? If so, that's a game changer, in my opinion. Also, it obviously means that they are planning for a massive increase in tea msize, like by 300% or so. Either that or contracting out work. With their current team size, $30 million would last them like 20 years, lol. 


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