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BDO Launching on Steam May 24th - Black Desert Online - MMORPG.com

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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,167

    DMKano said:



    Aori said:


    I get why they won't let old users use Steam.. they already gotcha, they don't want you spending money via Steam.





    However, it is still bullshit. It still pisses me off I couldn't link FFXIV to Steam. Now I can't link BDO. Actually you can't link ESO either. Screw you MMO companies.






    You can link Trove, ArcheAge, Rift and just about all others.

    So the ones you cant link are the exception actually


    Oh I know, all of Trions games can be linked, so can Lotro and some of NCsofts. 
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,167




    Aori said:


    I get why they won't let old users use Steam.. they already gotcha, they don't want you spending money via Steam.





    However, it is still bullshit. It still pisses me off I couldn't link FFXIV to Steam. Now I can't link BDO. Actually you can't link ESO either. Screw you MMO companies.


    You can with ESO. When you first run the game after installing it via Steam, you select the option that says something like "I already have an ESO account' and log in with your existing credentials. Your account is now linked and you are auto logged in from that point forward. I never had to create another account.


    You still have to buy the game again though in that scenario. Also this wasn't originally possible, it was a big hub bub when it went on Steam.
  • BlazeyerBlazeyer Member UncommonPosts: 562
    I never understand why a MMO going to steam is "big news". If you look at other MMOs who went to steam the initial reaction is always "HELL YES BRUH MORE PEOPLE". But people already know these games exist. What's the big deal? You might see a spike in population at first because "eh, it's been awhile. I'll give it another try", it doesn't last. I don't want to pick on you Wildstar, but I'm looking at you. BDO is in a healthy spot right now pop wise, I don't think this will change much, if at all.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336
    edited May 2017


    Blazeyer said:


    I never understand why a MMO going to steam is "big news". If you look at other MMOs who went to steam the initial reaction is always "HELL YES BRUH MORE PEOPLE". But people already know these games exist. What's the big deal? You might see a spike in population at first because "eh, it's been awhile. I'll give it another try", it doesn't last. I don't want to pick on you Wildstar, but I'm looking at you. BDO is in a healthy spot right now pop wise, I don't think this will change much, if at all.




    I would say that's not true.

    From my time hanging out at PAX and speaking to people about mmo's, most gamers don't know what' out there. Heck, When I was waiting in line for my first peak at Elder Scrolls Online I was having conversations with the people around me and they knew World of Warcraft and Star Wars the Old Republic and that's about it.


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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    Aori said:








    Aori said:



    I get why they won't let old users use Steam.. they already gotcha, they don't want you spending money via Steam.







    However, it is still bullshit. It still pisses me off I couldn't link FFXIV to Steam. Now I can't link BDO. Actually you can't link ESO either. Screw you MMO companies.



    You can with ESO. When you first run the game after installing it via Steam, you select the option that says something like "I already have an ESO account' and log in with your existing credentials. Your account is now linked and you are auto logged in from that point forward. I never had to create another account.




    You still have to buy the game again though in that scenario. Also this wasn't originally possible, it was a big hub bub when it went on Steam.


    You have to buy any MMO you want integrated on Steam regardless of wether or not you purchased it previously, unless it's F2P. Also, it wasn't that big of a deal when it went to Steam. The usual suspects with their usual whines.

    The rest just shrugged, realizing it wasn't required and you could add it as a non-Steam game. Personally I just bought it again, mainly because I prefer the auto-update feature of Steam. I logged in manually using my existing account and once they added the linking, I didn't gave to do that anymore. I never used the key to create another account. 

    I'd hardly call it something that should cause a "big hub bub", except with the rage-o-holics and the entitlement babies.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,518

    cheyane said:

    Ayah why people lol at my writing a review for BDO ? I honestly think it's  good game and I enjoyed all the life skills and really loved planting the products, harvesting them and trading the crates for profits by going the furthest with my wagons. I was so excited making the wagons for the first time when I finally collected all the resources for it. Some I even gathered myself not using the workers. 

    The beauty of BDO for me isn't the PvP it is the ability to decide for myself what I want to do each time I log on. I could decide today I am going to open this node or breed my horses or train them by going on a trade run and using the horses on the wagon. I found that unlike some MMORPGs that offer you nothing besides dungeon crawling and levelling up by fighting this game gave me other choices when I play and I think that deserves a good review from me.

    I did not realise that people considered Steam users in such poor light as to warrant a remark about lumping then on some servers and that they diminish the quality of the community somewhat. I have been a member of Steam for some years but I must admit that although I play games there I have not participated in the online community in any game but I always found their discussion forums on the games I have posted questions, to be very helpful and kind.


    I did not press the LOL button with the intention to mock or belittle. I find your joyful approach to it fun in a good way.

    I know this site makes LOL a turbulent subject, but I still use it as a "positive button"
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    This thread already self-proves the steam release is going to be a flame war of epic proportions.

    The overall controversy that surrounds BDO is only going to get blown out of proportion on Steam, it's just too much salt :|
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,518

    MaxBacon said:

    This thread already self-proves the steam release is going to be a flame war of epic proportions.

    Just wait and see.


    Hardly so. We can be, most of the times, be a really vocal (like for realzies) minority but we still a minority. Mainstream gamers don't access forums or engage in discussion. They sit down and play. Not that is a bad thing, just pointing it out - We represent little to nothing besides our niche view about it.
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    MaxBacon said:

    This thread already self-proves the steam release is going to be a flame war of epic proportions.

    Just wait and see.


    Of course it will. The entitlement crowd will whine because they don't want to buy it again, give the game a bad review because they're mad about it (which has nothing to do with the quality of the game), stamp their feet, and have a temper tantrum. In other words, business as usual.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    Nyctelios said:

    Hardly so. We can be, most of the times, be a really vocal (like for realzies) minority but we still a minority. Mainstream gamers don't access forums or engage in discussion. They sit down and play. Not that is a bad thing, just pointing it out - We represent little to nothing besides our niche view about it.

    Remember that one minority does sound like a majority when they scream loud enough.

    The instigation of drama blows things out of proportion, I remember on BDO once the cash shop stuff appeared and the minority screamed so loudly that all we heard is how BDO was dead and everybody had left the game. xD
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,518

    MaxBacon said:

    Nyctelios said:


    Hardly so. We can be, most of the times, be a really vocal (like for realzies) minority but we still a minority. Mainstream gamers don't access forums or engage in discussion. They sit down and play. Not that is a bad thing, just pointing it out - We represent little to nothing besides our niche view about it.


    Remember that one minority does sound like a majority when they scream loud enough.

    The instigation of drama blows things out of proportion, I remember on BDO once the cash shop stuff appeared and the minority screamed so loudly that all we heard is how BDO was dead and everybody had left the game. xD


    Ok, if you intent to mock that event you sure will fail since was not a vocal minority screaming on forums but a lot of ingame "strikes" happening.

    But I see your point. I just don't think will be the case with BDO the same way was not the case with EvE nor ESO.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    Nyctelios said:
    But I see your point. I just don't think will be the case with BDO the same way was not the case with EvE nor ESO.

    Okay the fair point on the first, though I always see the majority of a player base, as the silent majority, the ones who simply do not care, by norm it is the minorities (both sides) that do clash with each other.

    I see the steam community, as community of angry people by default, takes just one flame and everyone is angry, the ones angry at the game, the ones angry at the ones angry at the game, and the ones angry at how everyone is angry at each other.
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,518

    MaxBacon said:

    Nyctelios said:
    But I see your point. I just don't think will be the case with BDO the same way was not the case with EvE nor ESO.


    Okay the fair point on the first, though I always see the majority of a player base, as the silent majority, the ones who simply do not care, by norm it is the minorities (both sides) that do clash with each other.

    I see the steam community, as community of angry people by default, takes just one flame and everyone is angry, the ones angry at the game, the ones angry at the ones angry at the game, and the ones angry at how everyone is angry at each other.


    It can comes as a shock to us but most Steam users never heard of or just heard someone talking about most games we are really familiar with that goes to Steam.

    The amount of Steam users that just have an account to play f2p titles is absurdly huge. And some just own few games and use it because of the DRM.

    As far I remember the Steam Community itself received really well both EvE and ESO. Someone might correct me on that one.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    Nyctelios said:
    The amount of Steam users that just have an account to play f2p titles is absurdly huge. And some just own few games and use it because of the DRM.

    For example games like Archeage, Tera and so forth, releasing on Steam yet the player pops are always very weak then what they can manage outside of it. It's partially why I also see MMO's like BDO to not really going to gain much from Steam, side of one initial launch and then a constant decay of steam players.

    There are some exceptions to this, like ESO, that had very weak pops for 2 years until the Tamariel expansion.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,090

    MaxBacon said:

    Nyctelios said:
    The amount of Steam users that just have an account to play f2p titles is absurdly huge. And some just own few games and use it because of the DRM.


    For example games like Archeage, Tera and so forth, releasing on Steam yet the player pops are always very weak then what they can manage outside of it. It's partially why I also see MMO's like BDO to not really going to gain much from Steam, side of one initial launch and then a constant decay of steam players.

    There are some exceptions to this, like ESO, that had very weak pops for 2 years until the Tamariel expansion.


    Which 2 years and which Tamriel "expansion" are you referring to? :)

    • ESO launched as sub-only on PC/Mac in the spring of 2014.
    • The steam release was summer 2014.
    • They went B2P in the spring of 2015 when they launched on the XB1/PS4.
    • That's when they got the big population bump by virtue of adding the consoles.
    • There have been no expansions.

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,518

    Iselin said:



    MaxBacon said:


    Nyctelios said:
    The amount of Steam users that just have an account to play f2p titles is absurdly huge. And some just own few games and use it because of the DRM.



    For example games like Archeage, Tera and so forth, releasing on Steam yet the player pops are always very weak then what they can manage outside of it. It's partially why I also see MMO's like BDO to not really going to gain much from Steam, side of one initial launch and then a constant decay of steam players.

    There are some exceptions to this, like ESO, that had very weak pops for 2 years until the Tamariel expansion.




    Which 2 years and which Tamriel "expansion" are you referring to? :)

    • ESO launched as sub-only on PC/Mac in the spring of 2014.
    • The steam release was summer 2014.
    • They went B2P in the spring of 2015 when they launched on the XB1/PS4.
    • That's when they got the big population bump by virtue of adding the consoles.
    • There have been no expansions.



    He meant the "One Tamriel"
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    Iselin said:



    Which 2 years and which Tamriel "expansion" are you referring to? :)
    Oups my confusion. Tamriel Unlimited was when the sub was dropped, but that wasn't when the game pops did bump.

    The big pop boost of ESO on steam was on Oct 2016, that was the game's peak 2 years after being on steam.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,090

    MaxBacon said:



    Iselin said:


    Which 2 years and which Tamriel "expansion" are you referring to? :)
    Oups my confusion. Tamriel Unlimited was when the sub was dropped, but that wasn't when the game pops did bump.

    The big pop boost of ESO on steam was on Oct 2016, now I'm not sure what happened then as the game jumped from 4-6k normal pop to 29k.


    That's when they made all mobs everywhere the same level so you could play in any zone in any order, and they dropped alliance restrictions in PVE. Both of which were implemented very well and they got a bump everywhere - direct sales, consoles and steam - just because word got around that the game was much more fun this way... which it is.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,972
    edited May 2017
    Iselin said:
    That's when they made all mobs everywhere the same level so you could play in any zone in any order, and they dropped alliance restrictions in PVE. Both of which were implemented very well and they got a bump everywhere - direct sales, consoles and steam - just because word got around that the game was much more fun this way... which it is.

    The One Tamariel update as @Nyctelios mentioned that's what where I got confused now.

    But anyway that was just one example of one of the MMO's able to turn the weak player pops on steam around, instead of the usual decay over time. I personally would doubt BDO can keep a decent player pop on steam after the novelty fades away.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,780
    One thing that helped ESO on Steam is that they fixed a lot of their issues. It used to run like ass on Steam. Sometimes Steam and the launcher would fight and require a complete reinstall (80GB of downloads and patches later) which sucked on 10mbit dsl.

    Now the Steam integration is really smooth and lovely, other than being locked exclusively to Steam. That's still not lovely. :tongue:
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    Torval said:

    One thing that helped ESO on Steam is that they fixed a lot of their issues. It used to run like ass on Steam. Sometimes Steam and the launcher would fight and require a complete reinstall (80GB of downloads and patches later) which sucked on 10mbit dsl.

    Now the Steam integration is really smooth and lovely, other than being locked exclusively to Steam. That's still not lovely. :tongue:


    I don't know where you get it's locked to Steam. You can drag the folder in and out of the Steam folder and it will operate either as part of Steam or as a standard game client. It only updates a few files when you move it. Both the standard and Steam-focused launchers are part of the install, regardless of who you get it from. 
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  • xmentyxmenty Member UncommonPosts: 716
    edited May 2017
    TEST

    Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,532
    I really don't think this will make much difference in how many people play.  I think the players that like this sort of game already have it, and while there will a few that will try it from steam, most won't stay.
  • dan4kdan4k Member UncommonPosts: 5
    edited May 2017
    Steam will draw huge crowds to Black Desert , this would make it even more exciting !!
      Steam BDO preview video
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  • dan4kdan4k Member UncommonPosts: 5
    edited May 2017
    Hope Steam Bdo would open for Middle east & Asian countries , its about time !! 
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