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CoE plans to allow RMT(gold sellers) during the live game

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,519

    Torval said:


    Of course they're pro-active against third party sellers, but they're definitely not anti-rmt. They sell the resource and let players freely trade that "real-money-transaction" conversion from currency to PLEX and then to ISK.

    And everyone claims to have the most proactive anti rmt program - Blizzard, CCP, NCSoft (hahaha - that was a joke). I think that's actually the point. How much to they spend trying to fight RMT and they're already established with funds to do so. It's not like they're successful. They just have a great PR machine marketing their valiant attempts. "No one can say they don't care or try!" - See they got you on board.
    There are 2 things being mixed up together.

    1) Exchange of virtual goods for real money.
    2) Activities tied with 3rd party servicies providing exchange of virtual goods for real money.

    The former isn't an issue, the latter is and what game companies are fighting.


  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663
    edited May 2017







    Dakeru said:











    It's strange how its people that are not even going to play the game that is bothered about people buying more than one kingdom...








    It's strange how people who don't care about this site keep signing up to tell us we are wrong.






    It's Strange that people who don't know anything about CoE keep telling the fans they are wrong...

    @Slapshot1188 That includes you too since I am not talking about Adam Burrfoot, but Ghettomaster a single account backer, who payed 40.000+ $

    Since neither of you two know anything about the game mechanics and the way they work, your concerns about the titles given out aren't based on solid ground either. Again, for you to understand why the game's community is largely unconcerned about these titles being handed out would require you to get involved with it. And again if you want to hate on it, you are free to do so, but at least be informed please that way we can at least have a mature conversation.




    Again, I am not only fully informed about the game but also know what is talked about behind not just the 1st pay to read secret forum, but also the super select $1k contributor one. Because it makes you feel better to state I am uninformed (multiple times) does not make it correct.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,704




    Dakeru said:








    It's strange how its people that are not even going to play the game that is bothered about people buying more than one kingdom...






    It's strange how people who don't care about this site keep signing up to tell us we are wrong.




    It's Strange that people who don't know anything about CoE keep telling the fans they are wrong...

    @Slapshot1188 That includes you too since I am not talking about Adam Burrfoot, but Ghettomaster a single account backer, who payed 40.000+ $

    Since neither of you two know anything about the game mechanics and the way they work, your concerns about the titles given out aren't based on solid ground either. Again, for you to understand why the game's community is largely unconcerned about these titles being handed out would require you to get involved with it. And again if you want to hate on it, you are free to do so, but at least be informed please that way we can at least have a mature conversation.


    In fact I didn't comment on the rmt stuff at all.
    If this game ever releases it will be in such a poor state that rmt will be their least problem.

    It's guys like you I comment on. You always claim that you know better.
    All of Snap's quotes were direct quotes from Caspian himself and yet you keep accusing him of being misinformed.

    Let me put it straight:
    You know nothing - you are just so blinded by that cult you worship that you can't even think straight for 5 minutes.
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  • Azrael_AntaryonAzrael_Antaryon Member UncommonPosts: 40
    Alright @Dakeru @Slapshot1188 It might come as a surprise, but I am not interested in the size of your egos even if you flaunt it so spectacularly around. 

    As for the success of CoE, time will tell, as it always does.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663


    Alright @Dakeru @Slapshot1188 It might come as a surprise, but I am not interested in the size of your egos even if you flaunt it so spectacularly around. 

    As for the success of CoE, time will tell, as it always does.


    Ego has nothing to do with truth.  You have repeatedly made statements that I am uninformed about the game.  This is pretty demonstrably untrue.  When called on it you fall back on criticizing my ego. If you would simply stick to a discussion about the actual topic we could debate as rational people. Falling back on the whole attack the messenger and not the message thing is kind of transparent for all to see.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,704


    Alright @Dakeru @Slapshot1188 It might come as a surprise, but I am not interested in the size of your egos even if you flaunt it so spectacularly around. 

    As for the success of CoE, time will tell, as it always does.


    We are the ones with an ego as you call it.
    You are the one with an unhealthy obsession:

    I am obviously here to convert people into seeing the game from my perspective
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,994

    Gdemami said:



    Torval said:



    Of course they're pro-active against third party sellers, but they're definitely not anti-rmt. They sell the resource and let players freely trade that "real-money-transaction" conversion from currency to PLEX and then to ISK.

    And everyone claims to have the most proactive anti rmt program - Blizzard, CCP, NCSoft (hahaha - that was a joke). I think that's actually the point. How much to they spend trying to fight RMT and they're already established with funds to do so. It's not like they're successful. They just have a great PR machine marketing their valiant attempts. "No one can say they don't care or try!" - See they got you on board.
    There are 2 things being mixed up together.

    1) Exchange of virtual goods for real money.
    2) Activities tied with 3rd party servicies providing exchange of virtual goods for real money.

    The former isn't an issue, the latter is and what game companies are fighting.




    You summarized my point. Thanks.

    I get the vendor (dev studio) sells virtual goods for money (sanctioned rmt) and third party vendors are banned from selling virtual goods for money (sanctioned rmt).

    My point is the activity *is* sanctioned and the cost of fighting third party vendors from selling virtual goods and services is astronomical and a losing battle with moving goalposts. Not even the giants are successful. It's a study in futility.

    I'm not knocking any studio or publisher for failing to eradicate third party rmt sales.
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  • MrTugglesMrTuggles Member UncommonPosts: 159
    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,782

    MrTuggles said:

    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.


    Sigh, another one lost to the dark side.


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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,744

    MrTuggles said:

    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.


    Ask the Diablo3 devs how that went...
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,994

    Hashbrick said:



    MrTuggles said:


    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.




    Ask the Diablo3 devs how that went...


    The exception only proves that it is not a guaranteed success. There are successful games with RMT. Entropia Universe has been that way for years. EQ2 had a successful RMT server for a few years as well (The Bazaar).

    It depends on what the actual game is like and what community evolves around that. It's hard to say whether this will work for or against them. There is cost and risk either direction they take. This is obviously the more controversial, although I don't think they feel shoehorned into any future position on the matter based on their response to this topic.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,065
    Have you heard about the new version of Monopoly?

    You can buy a house for $500 game money or $1 real money. I just played my kid (sucks to be him) and whooped his ass. Cost me $20, that's less than lunch ;)

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  • MrTugglesMrTuggles Member UncommonPosts: 159

    Kyleran said:



    MrTuggles said:


    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.




    Sigh, another one lost to the dark side.





    Not lost to the dark side at all. I pledged to into a count package and then did a few more donations to the game. The ability to be able to sell off my title, county, holdings, houses, etc if I get bored with the game is really intriguing to me. 

    I believe in what the company is doing with the game. It checks all of the boxes that I have been waiting for in a new game. Housing, PvP, player run economy, pets, kingdom building and land/asset management through it (think RTS style as you have to allocate resources to the different areas in your controlled area), etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. The community is already one of the best that I have seen with entire kingdoms already coming together in the initial game.

    People have also been bashing the fact that you can "buy" resources, housing, pets, etc prior to the full release during exposition period. This was designed this way to allow the people who backed the game in the start to actually build the world that the players will be in at release. Instead of a barren land we will have thriving kingdoms and areas for everyone.IMO it was a great decision on their part.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663

    laserit said:

    Have you heard about the new version of Monopoly?

    You can buy a house for $500 game money or $1 real money. I just played my kid (sucks to be him) and whooped his ass. Cost me $20, that's less than lunch ;)

    Tru story bro's


    Well that's pay to win.   The way we do it is that BEFORE the game starts, I get to buy property, houses and hotels.  This way it's Pay to Build so when the other players get to join it seems realistic and gets right to the fun part of where they get to watch me dominate the game.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,782




    MrTuggles said:





    Kyleran said:







    MrTuggles said:




    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.








    Sigh, another one lost to the dark side.









    Not lost to the dark side at all. I pledged to into a count package and then did a few more donations to the game. The ability to be able to sell off my title, county, holdings, houses, etc if I get bored with the game is really intriguing to me. 

    I believe in what the company is doing with the game. It checks all of the boxes that I have been waiting for in a new game. Housing, PvP, player run economy, pets, kingdom building and land/asset management through it (think RTS style as you have to allocate resources to the different areas in your controlled area), etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. The community is already one of the best that I have seen with entire kingdoms already coming together in the initial game.

    People have also been bashing the fact that you can "buy" resources, housing, pets, etc prior to the full release during exposition period. This was designed this way to allow the people who backed the game in the start to actually build the world that the players will be in at release. Instead of a barren land we will have thriving kingdoms and areas for everyone.IMO it was a great decision on their part.




    I agree with you with regards to the building of the world.
    Unfortunately people here think we are using the early access for ourselves not to build a world for others.

    With regards selling my title, I would rather give it away when I am bored.


    Hopefully someone will have taken it from you before then. ;)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663




    MrTuggles said:





    Kyleran said:







    MrTuggles said:




    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.








    Sigh, another one lost to the dark side.









    Not lost to the dark side at all. I pledged to into a count package and then did a few more donations to the game. The ability to be able to sell off my title, county, holdings, houses, etc if I get bored with the game is really intriguing to me. 

    I believe in what the company is doing with the game. It checks all of the boxes that I have been waiting for in a new game. Housing, PvP, player run economy, pets, kingdom building and land/asset management through it (think RTS style as you have to allocate resources to the different areas in your controlled area), etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. The community is already one of the best that I have seen with entire kingdoms already coming together in the initial game.

    People have also been bashing the fact that you can "buy" resources, housing, pets, etc prior to the full release during exposition period. This was designed this way to allow the people who backed the game in the start to actually build the world that the players will be in at release. Instead of a barren land we will have thriving kingdoms and areas for everyone.IMO it was a great decision on their part.




    I agree with you with regards to the building of the world.
    Unfortunately people here think we are using the early access for ourselves not to build a world for others.

    With regards selling my title, I would rather give it away when I am bored.


    There are 11,000 people that have pledged.  Even if I accept your personal claim at face value, surely you must admit that a chunk of people bought all this stuff to get an edge.  What exactly do you think the Goons plan to do?  

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,689

    If people have a lot of time, but little money, want to use that as a way to create in-game items which they then sell to other players who have disposable income but less free-time, we view that as a win-win.


    I have disposable income and much less free-time and I fucking hate this. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663
















    MrTuggles said:









    Kyleran said:











    MrTuggles said:






    This is absolutely awesome that we are able to sell in game items. The RMT market is in every single game. CoE is just embracing that it happens and moving on. This should allow them to allocate their resources into better places than catching these types of people.












    Sigh, another one lost to the dark side.













    Not lost to the dark side at all. I pledged to into a count package and then did a few more donations to the game. The ability to be able to sell off my title, county, holdings, houses, etc if I get bored with the game is really intriguing to me. 

    I believe in what the company is doing with the game. It checks all of the boxes that I have been waiting for in a new game. Housing, PvP, player run economy, pets, kingdom building and land/asset management through it (think RTS style as you have to allocate resources to the different areas in your controlled area), etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. The community is already one of the best that I have seen with entire kingdoms already coming together in the initial game.

    People have also been bashing the fact that you can "buy" resources, housing, pets, etc prior to the full release during exposition period. This was designed this way to allow the people who backed the game in the start to actually build the world that the players will be in at release. Instead of a barren land we will have thriving kingdoms and areas for everyone.IMO it was a great decision on their part.








    I agree with you with regards to the building of the world.
    Unfortunately people here think we are using the early access for ourselves not to build a world for others.

    With regards selling my title, I would rather give it away when I am bored.






    There are 11,000 people that have pledged.  Even if I accept your personal claim at face value, surely you must admit that a chunk of people bought all this stuff to get an edge.  What exactly do you think the Goons plan to do?  




    My claim at what the baron title or the fact I will give it away?

    No way I can prove either to you, but all I can say is that I have offered  the baron title to a couple of my guild members already.
    I don't want it really but I will play my first life at it and go from there.


    So you would have bought an advantage for a guild member instead of yourself.  That's anecdotal at best.  Reality is that a chunk of those 11,000 are going to be focused on getting an advantage.  As I said, do you think the Goons who have pledged are just doing so to Pay to Build?  LOL  Even on the home forums, many former and current critics of mine are complaining that this is over the top P2W now that they have seen the ability to purchase LEGENDARY castles, technology, animals, etc...



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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,275
    I don't get it. Why would anyone want RMT in any game? Has society become so lazy that they can't earn stuff on their own?

    RMT fan buys a game, then buys the best stuff in the game. Afterwards, they solo the only world boss and win without a scratch. Yes, let's spend $100's or even $1000's of dollars to shrink the value of a game into what was best quoted in Fight Club as, "A single serving lifestyle."

    Seriously, wtf is wrong with gamers today. No use of imagination, highly dependent on graphics. No sense of adventure or a desire to explore. Just give me my shit now, I don't have time for any of that.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,663

    Rhoklaw said:

    I don't get it. Why would anyone want RMT in any game? Has society become so lazy that they can't earn stuff on their own?

    RMT fan buys a game, then buys the best stuff in the game. Afterwards, they solo the only world boss and win without a scratch. Yes, let's spend $100's or even $1000's of dollars to shrink the value of a game into what was best quoted in Fight Club as, "A single serving lifestyle."

    Seriously, wtf is wrong with gamers today. No use of imagination, highly dependent on graphics. No sense of adventure or a desire to explore. Just give me my shit now, I don't have time for any of that.


    You are not looking at the bigger picture :)   Follow this to the eventual progression.

    Why buy ITEMS to kill the world boss.  Why not just buy the World Boss Kill?  maybe eventually this becomes another of those Win-Win's that Caspien talked about.  This was developers don;t actually have to even create the World Boss.  They can save tons of money on asset development and bypass the actual physical encounter!  Insert coin.. WIN!   

    This way the developer saves money on actually developing AND gets revenue from the whale.  Win-Win!

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182

    Rhoklaw said:

    I don't get it. Why would anyone want RMT in any game? Has society become so lazy that they can't earn stuff on their own?

    RMT fan buys a game, then buys the best stuff in the game. Afterwards, they solo the only world boss and win without a scratch. Yes, let's spend $100's or even $1000's of dollars to shrink the value of a game into what was best quoted in Fight Club as, "A single serving lifestyle."

    Seriously, wtf is wrong with gamers today. No use of imagination, highly dependent on graphics. No sense of adventure or a desire to explore. Just give me my shit now, I don't have time for any of that.


    I'm not sure if it's really the PVE fan that is doing this kind of thing, while I'd guess there are some, in my experience most heavy RMT is PVP related. As well as the goal is almost always seeking an edge over other players. In a world where performance enhancing drugs is an everyday problem in competitive sports, this shouldn't really come as a surprise. 

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  • Azrael_AntaryonAzrael_Antaryon Member UncommonPosts: 40

    Rhoklaw said:

    I don't get it. Why would anyone want RMT in any game? Has society become so lazy that they can't earn stuff on their own?

    RMT fan buys a game, then buys the best stuff in the game. Afterwards, they solo the only world boss and win without a scratch. Yes, let's spend $100's or even $1000's of dollars to shrink the value of a game into what was best quoted in Fight Club as, "A single serving lifestyle."

    Seriously, wtf is wrong with gamers today. No use of imagination, highly dependent on graphics. No sense of adventure or a desire to explore. Just give me my shit now, I don't have time for any of that.


    And the people playing this game like that will be bored with it fast, and quit. Thus producing a healthy game community, who is there for the adventure and fun of exploring the world and taking part in the ongoing story.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,519
    edited May 2017
    Torval said:
    You summarized my point.

    No, I did not. Game devs are NOT fighting selling virtual goods by 3rd parties.

    If RMT 3rd parties were not using bots, stolen CC, hacked player accounts, etc. they would likely wouldn't care since there would be no (worthwhile) harm done to the company and the game.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,065

    Gdemami said:




    Torval said:



    You summarized my point.






    No, I did not. Game devs are NOT fighting selling virtual goods by 3rd parties.


    Didn't your mommy teach you that taking snippets from people's replies is rude. It also weakens any argument you might have.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,348

    laserit said:



    Gdemami said:






    Torval said:




    You summarized my point.








    No, I did not. Game devs are NOT fighting selling virtual goods by 3rd parties.




    Didn't your mommy teach you that taking snippets from people's replies is rude. It also weakens any argument you might have.


    Agreed. Let's do it to him shall we?


    Gdemami said:
     harm 


    I don't think you know what that word means.
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