2018 Overall Production Roadmap (updated 5th January)

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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member RarePosts: 837
    edited October 2017
    rodarin said:
    hfztt said:
    MaxBacon said:

    But speculating this out I would say Citcon card will be SQ42, 3.0 has been already last month in GC.
    SQ42? That thing they JUST missed being able to show off last year by DAYS. And then was a no show for 12 months. That SQ42?

    Would be about f'ing bloody time if they did...
    youll NEVER see ANYTHING that is PLAYABLE at any of these conventions. At least not playable on any server other than their own.

    But SQ 42 should tell everyone something.

    They WILL make a MAJOR announcement about SOMETHING and then next year THAT WONT be delivered either.

    The fact that people fall for the same shell game year in and year out is amazing.

    You can go back over the past 3 or 4 conventions (pick any of them) there isnt a single thing that highlighted any of them that is actually in the PTU, that includes stuff from 3 and 4 years ago.

    Coincidence? Not hardly. But the bait and switch has gone on for so long people cant even remember what has been showcased and hyped and what hasnt.
    Making stuff up again lol? All the stuff we are playing now was shown or hinted in some form at Gamescon and Citizencon first.

    Hangars, Dogfighting, Racing, ArcCorp City, 2.0 BabyPU, ComLink missions, FPS gameplay, Multicrew etc etc...

    One example:

    The game is complex for the outsiders as it is, no need to spread false information, if so it's better to refrain from posting or double checking first with someone who actually plays and follows Star Citizen development lol


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  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAMember RarePosts: 1,983
    LMAO those arent 'hype' fluff, those are merely core game mechanics that werent in the game. BTW how is persistence coming along?

    Youre going to cite things that every MMO should have and call it them fulfilling some sort of big reveal?

    Just because you have idoits clapping for them flying a ship (a BASE mechanic of any space game) obviously doesnt make it special. it just means they actually made ships move the way they HAVE to move in a space game.

    Basically that is a 25 minute video of them walking in a station pulling up a ship getting on the ship flying to a way point going back to the station and walking around. Those are CORE MECHANICS not fluff and hype. 

    But glad you mentioned multi crew. Are those in the PTU yet? As in a ship that takes more than 1 or 2 real players to control?

    So you pick something from two years ago that isnt anything beyond the basics of any MMO and want to use it as an example of all the things they have done. LMAO.  But its typical I guess because with so little to actually cheer about you HAVE to find something I guess.
    Excession
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member RarePosts: 837
    edited October 2017
    rodarin said:

    youll NEVER see ANYTHING that is PLAYABLE at any of these conventions. At least not playable on any server other than their own.
    You got exposed, hard. Moving goalposts won't change that. Again refrain from posting false information.


    Post edited by Babuinix on
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  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 grenobleMember UncommonPosts: 368
    Babuinix said:

    You got exposed, hard.
    I can see his wee-wee D:
    ErillionExcessionToodles
  • hfztthfztt GlostrupMember RarePosts: 1,264
    Babuinix said:
    rodarin said:

    youll NEVER see ANYTHING that is PLAYABLE at any of these conventions. At least not playable on any server other than their own.
    You got exposed, hard. Moving goalposts won't change that. Again refrain from posting false information.


    Now, about moving goal posts: Somthing about throwing stones and glass houses...
    ExcessionKefo
  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member EpicPosts: 4,526

    Last update : Oct 13th, 2017

    This week our dedicated Evocati testers from the Community tackled Alpha 3.0 and allowed us to see performance and network issues we weren’t able to with our internal test group. This feedback gave us good insight on areas we can optimize to ensure that when 3.0 goes Live, it is a smooth, fun experience. As of Thursday, we were at 23 must fix issues to polish our shopping and cargo features, as well as working together with Evocati to process and fix bugs so we can get the build ready for the PTU and then go Live.

  • KefoKefo London, ONMember EpicPosts: 3,254
    gervaise1 said:

    Last update : Oct 13th, 2017

    This week our dedicated Evocati testers from the Community tackled Alpha 3.0 and allowed us to see performance and network issues we weren’t able to with our internal test group. This feedback gave us good insight on areas we can optimize to ensure that when 3.0 goes Live, it is a smooth, fun experience. As of Thursday, we were at 23 must fix issues to polish our shopping and cargo features, as well as working together with Evocati to process and fix bugs so we can get the build ready for the PTU and then go Live.

    shopping and cargo. Priorities for CIG :neutral:
    Dizisma
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    edited October 2017
    ~~ Currently released to the first testing group: Evocati

    The Alpha 3.0 Production Schedule got updated:

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

    "This week our dedicated Evocati testers from the Community tackled Alpha 3.0 and allowed us to see performance and network issues we weren’t able to with our internal test group. This feedback gave us good insight on areas we can optimize to ensure that when 3.0 goes Live, it is a smooth, fun experience. As of Thursday, we were at 23 must fix issues to polish our shopping and cargo features, as well as working together with Evocati to process and fix bugs so we can get the build ready for the PTU and then go Live."

    Burn Down, current status (Weekly Update):


    The number of issues lies in 23, mind these are the list of bugs to deal with before pass update on the Evocati build that should focus on fixing/polishing the Shopping & Cargo Features.


    Completed this past week:

    • Comms System UI.

    Resuming last week:
    - 1 Completed Tasks
    - A total of 5 features left.


    Bug-fixing changelog for the past week in the full schedule page and in Evocati patch notes of the pretty much daily builds.
    Post edited by MaxBacon on
    Dizisma
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    ~~ Currently released to: Evocati

    The Alpha 3.0 Production Schedule got updated:

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

    "This week, we generated more than fifteen internal builds which allowed QA to confirm fixes and identify new critical bugs. Three of these builds were released to the Evocati for intensive testing. One persistent bug was a memory leak issue where the game (either on the client or server side) soaked up more and more system RAM until it crashed. The team has been squashing this bug whenever they find it, but with performance issues like this, there is rarely a single solution. As more mechanics and code are implemented, any one of them can cause the issue to return. The programmers have been working with the engineering team to develop new additions to the Debug system which will help identifying these issues sooner. There was also a consistent Serialized Variable crash that occurred when there were data mismatches in the game code between the client and server which caused a disconnection. The debugging work the engineering team is doing for the memory leak should also help resolve this issue as well.

    The team’s been focusing on the comprehensive Shopping experience and resolving any issues related to shopping, kiosks or the economy. They’ve fixed a series of issues that ranged from spawning the player inside their bed (literally) to one bug that took out all of the items from all of the shops. "

    Burn Down, current status (Weekly Update):




    What's still in progress:

    • Continuing setup of the repair mission
    • Setting up basic steal mission
    • Implementing mission relevant dialogue to missions
    • Working on ship weapon pricing
    • Setting up the Shopkeepers in all the shops in game – working through issues with Subsumption
    • Testing Obj Container lighting exports – running into issues though where the lighting states aren’t working
    • Prepping the Mustang implementation file for the rework.

    • Continued tweaking Lighting, RTT, Open Physics Proxy Pass on all ships.
    • Continued wokring on the polish pass for Area18 props.
    • Continued converting props into new Usable system.

    • Continued working on Serialised Variables optimisations, and has been looking at Code 7 disconnect bugs.
      • The team has also been looking at potential optimizations and started performance R&D.
    • Continued working on Vid Comms.
    • Continued working on interactions.
    • Enabling airlock doors to open automatically when approached
    • Iterating on the Conversation system for characters
    • Working on HUD “Tidy Up” (e.g. – with no kit, helmet etc)
    • QATR is in now for headless clients (this system allows a developer to populate a server with AI Clients to test population-triggered bugs). First limit will be 24 headless, the next will be 100, if the first is successful.
    • Pawel has been doing some work on persistent spawning, has been bug fixing, and will move back to his proxy issues.

    Bug-fixing changelog for the past week in the full schedule page and in Evocati patch notes of the pretty much daily builds.

    Dizisma
  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 9,110
    All sounds nice and everything, but until its all in a working game, then its really not all that relevant, and what i mean by a working game, is that i don't mean parts of a game that work, but hats off to those who have some amazing levels of patience and have stuck with it this long, its almost the end of the year and although i am no expert, it doesn't sound like they are really any closer to completing this game than they were at the beginning of the year, i just hope that those people who have bought the game are not going to end up being disappointed, i just know that for me i don't have the kind of 'patience' that is needed when it comes to waiting for things i have paid for to be 'delivered', maybe 2018 will bring the game closer to fruition, but i have to wonder if it this time next year if we'll just be looking at more lists of updates. :/
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  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomeMember UncommonPosts: 3,865
    Funny, this way of version numbering.

    They keep the numbers the same, but when completing some feature takes too long, they just move some of the planned features to a higher version number.

    If you do this gradually enough , like over a year, little by little moving over features to future versions, it almost seems as if they stay close on schedule :p In version numbers anyway, not in actual planned features. 'Yeah, I am sorry, we have to move this feature and this feature over to next year, but don't worry, 3.1 is on schedule!'

    Anyway, you could almost compare it to this company that keeps saying that there is enough money to finish SQ42, and with the box sales of SQ42 they would have enough to finish development of SC. Meanwhile they keep introducing more ridiculously priced ships that you can 'fund' the game with.  Oh wait , that is the same company, doh.

    I wonder if they plan to continue selling these packages after game release too. I would be in awe if they manage to do that. It would be like GTA Online, but then greatly improved. Shark cards, but then with a better pitch.
    Odeezee
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    Phry said:
    All sounds nice and everything, but until its all in a working game, then its really not all that relevant, and what i mean by a working game, is that i don't mean parts of a game that work, but hats off to those who have some amazing levels of patience and have stuck with it this long, its almost the end of the year and although i am no expert, it doesn't sound like they are really any closer to completing this game than they were at the beginning of the year, i just hope that those people who have bought the game are not going to end up being disappointed, i just know that for me i don't have the kind of 'patience' that is needed when it comes to waiting for things i have paid for to be 'delivered', maybe 2018 will bring the game closer to fruition, but i have to wonder if it this time next year if we'll just be looking at more lists of updates. 
    We will always be looking at lists of updates, as one releases it all starts to expect and wait the next one, I don't think this would be any different after the game is released.

    The release and completion of the game in the case of SC are not tied together either, so to be seen when they decide to call that.
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    edited October 2017
    ~~ Currently released to: Evocati

    The Alpha 3.0 Production Schedule got updated:

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

    This week, the team generated another fifteen builds for the developers and QA to review, while three more made their way to the Evocati testers. One of the major victories this week was the first implementation of our new WAF build system, which will cut down the required time to generate a build from four hours to just one. When perfected, this will allow us to have more development and testing time between each build.

    The team continued to focus on perfecting the Shopping experience this week, finally fixing a bug that prevented players from equipping items that they bought. Our daily review sessions focused on the physical stores in locations like Port Olisar, Grim HEX, and Levski, so we’re in the process of prioritizing those bugs in our overall fix-list. The rest of the team continued to tackle the ongoing bugs tied to commodity shopping that we discussed last week. One of the setbacks we encountered this week was a pair of Disconnection errors that would kick players from the servers. These bugs were discovered thanks to improvements made to increase server stability. As players could play for longer, they were now able to trigger these Disconnection errors. Finally, our Network team checked in a fix that will increase performance in the overall game experience.

    We are continuing to improve the production schedule report to accommodate your feedback and next week we will have a revised format that highlights the remaining features that need completing before we go to a wider PTU and then live.

    The team’s been focusing on the comprehensive Shopping experience and resolving any issues related to shopping, kiosks or the economy. They’ve fixed a series of issues that ranged from spawning the player inside their bed (literally) to one bug that took out all of the items from all of the shops.

    Burn Down, current status (Weekly Update):



    So the schedule is going to change format next week, I guess mostly because the Evocati is working with multiple update passes to fix and polish up part by part of the build.

    (currently shopping, cargo and trading, next the new mission system)
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  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAMember RarePosts: 1,983
    rodarin said:
    hfztt said:
    MaxBacon said:

    But speculating this out I would say Citcon card will be SQ42, 3.0 has been already last month in GC.
    SQ42? That thing they JUST missed being able to show off last year by DAYS. And then was a no show for 12 months. That SQ42?

    Would be about f'ing bloody time if they did...
    youll NEVER see ANYTHING that is PLAYABLE at any of these conventions. At least not playable on any server other than their own.

    But SQ 42 should tell everyone something.

    They WILL make a MAJOR announcement about SOMETHING and then next year THAT WONT be delivered either.

    The fact that people fall for the same shell game year in and year out is amazing.

    You can go back over the past 3 or 4 conventions (pick any of them) there isnt a single thing that highlighted any of them that is actually in the PTU, that includes stuff from 3 and 4 years ago.

    Coincidence? Not hardly. But the bait and switch has gone on for so long people cant even remember what has been showcased and hyped and what hasnt.
    Procedural cities anyone?

    I wasnt going to bump this because predicting what these guys are going to do is about as hard as saying the sun will come up tomorrow (and it still comes up even if its cloudy).

    Also the first line is pretty awesome since apparently they let peopel play 3.0 on THEIR servers and of course it ran flawlessly, yet the leaks from the avocados say 8-15 frame rates as long as you have 32 or more gig of Ram and the best vid card money can buy.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 8,530
    rodarin said:

    Also the first line is pretty awesome since apparently they let peopel play 3.0 on THEIR servers and of course it ran flawlessly, yet the leaks from the avocados say 8-15 frame rates as long as you have 32 or more gig of Ram and the best vid card money can buy.

    That is what the leaks say:

    "Q: How's performance in the most recent patches?

    A: E and F were dogshit with constant 30K errors and CTDs. Patch G gave me 60FPS on the US server for the first time, and it didn't drop me to less than 30 FPS on a full server. "


    Have fun
  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAMember RarePosts: 1,983
    Erillion said:
    rodarin said:

    Also the first line is pretty awesome since apparently they let peopel play 3.0 on THEIR servers and of course it ran flawlessly, yet the leaks from the avocados say 8-15 frame rates as long as you have 32 or more gig of Ram and the best vid card money can buy.

    That is what the leaks say:

    "Q: How's performance in the most recent patches?

    A: E and F were dogshit with constant 30K errors and CTDs. Patch G gave me 60FPS on the US server for the first time, and it didn't drop me to less than 30 FPS on a full server. "


    Have fun
    I dont believe it. You dont go from constant crashes and errors to clear 60 FPS. There arent a lot of current games where you can get 60 FPS at top settings and a lot of rendering to do in high traffic areas. 30 top end MIGHT be semi believable with dips to 10-15 but even then not too sure.

    But always nice to see what parts of guys breaking an NDA people will cherry pick and when they will cherry pick them. When the leaks were negative they were 'fake' when they put a nice spin on it theyre being quoted as 'proof'.
    Gdemami
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 8,530
    Just a quote from a poster in the internet. No comment. No judgement.

    I can neither confirm nor deny that those claims are correct or fake.

    It is your decision what you believe ... or not believe


    Have fun
    Kresharth
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    edited October 2017
    In the performance matter so what it was, is that they do have done server improvements and they have tested out this stuff in one recent build resulting in higher FPS performance and stress tested the servers, the thing is it ended up causing a lot of crashes so this is continuing development to work out the stability of that before it's properly added.

    That's nothing but the point of ETF itself, there's a very flippant nature of this factor as testing endures, hoping they work out the stability of the changes they pushed before to maintain the network performance as they continue work.
    Post edited by MaxBacon on
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  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAMember RarePosts: 1,983
    MaxBacon said:
    In the performance matter so what it was, is that they do have done server improvements and they have tested out this stuff in one recent build and stress tested the servers, the thing is it ended up causing a lot of client and server crashes so this is continuing development to work out the stability of that before it's properly added.

    That's nothing but the point of ETF itself, there's a very flippant nature of this factor as testing endures, hoping they work out the stability of the changes they pushed before to maintain the network performance as they continue work.
    no idea what you just said and I cant even decipher what you think youre saying.

    Bottom line is they have these movies they call gameplay then they have (alleged) people 'playing' the latest build, all running nearly 100% flawlessly. When not even the staunchest white knight can claim what they offer on the test bed runs even adequately and thats the stuff thats been there for months.

    You cant watch a guy that is streaming (one of the half dozen) where you will find a stream that lasts more than 30-45 minutes before a CTD or a freeze up. Unless of course its the guy standing in a hanger facing a blank wall and him pontificating about the 'future' of SC.

    The 'regular' guys know where ot go and what to avoid so their crashes have been minimized but even they fall victim to them. But get a random guy trying it out for the first time or the first time in awhile and it will be constant meltdown and freezes.

    Thats why I always look forward to the dog and pony show when they do these demonstrations at the conventions because its so far from reality it could probably be considered 'fake' on that aspect alone. But since it goes way beyond that in terms of 'production' value its obviously faked in more ways than that. Or the way it runs is proof that its fake. People can draw their own conclusions.
    Gdemami
  • ShodanasShodanas PatrasMember RarePosts: 1,878
    rodarin said:
    MaxBacon said:
    In the performance matter so what it was, is that they do have done server improvements and they have tested out this stuff in one recent build and stress tested the servers, the thing is it ended up causing a lot of client and server crashes so this is continuing development to work out the stability of that before it's properly added.

    That's nothing but the point of ETF itself, there's a very flippant nature of this factor as testing endures, hoping they work out the stability of the changes they pushed before to maintain the network performance as they continue work.
    no idea what you just said and I cant even decipher what you think youre saying.

    Bottom line is they have these movies they call gameplay then they have (alleged) people 'playing' the latest build,
    Then go work on basic English comprehension before writing thesis on the forums and criticize others.
    Kresharth
  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,278
    Shodanas said:
    rodarin said:
    MaxBacon said:
    In the performance matter so what it was, is that they do have done server improvements and they have tested out this stuff in one recent build and stress tested the servers, the thing is it ended up causing a lot of client and server crashes so this is continuing development to work out the stability of that before it's properly added.

    That's nothing but the point of ETF itself, there's a very flippant nature of this factor as testing endures, hoping they work out the stability of the changes they pushed before to maintain the network performance as they continue work.
    no idea what you just said and I cant even decipher what you think youre saying.

    Bottom line is they have these movies they call gameplay then they have (alleged) people 'playing' the latest build,
    Then go work on basic English comprehension before writing thesis on the forums and criticize others.
    That... um.... you did that on purpose, I hope.
    Kresharth
  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,546
    Erillion said:


    I can neither confirm nor deny that those claims are correct or fake.


    I have a hard time believing that someone with your dedication to this game is not a part of the testing group.  You post things within an hour of them going on the official forum and you post here continuously throughout the day. 

    Why are you not a tester?  Dont you want the game to be the best it can be?
    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 8,530
    Talonsin said:
    Erillion said:


    I can neither confirm nor deny that those claims are correct or fake.


    I have a hard time believing that someone with your dedication to this game is not a part of the testing group.  You post things within an hour of them going on the official forum and you post here continuously throughout the day. 

    Why are you not a tester?  Dont you want the game to be the best it can be?
    I do test quite a bit on PTU, but i did not apply for Evocati. Not enough time for that. Plenty of time later when Alpha 3.0 is on PTU.

    Reading news and posting is easy on a smartphone or tablet, almost anywhere, almost anytime. Testing is not - on a smartphone :-)

    And lets not forget - Evocati are under NDA. They could tell us, but then they have to shoot us ;-)


    Have fun
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member RarePosts: 837
    30 fps is indeed a thing in 3.0 even with old mid tier hardware.

    The engine is quite robust and optimized graphically, it's the networking that hinders performance. Anyone that plays Star Citizen knows that.

    You don't choose to be an Evocati, the Evocati chooses you ;)
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,838
    edited November 2017
    The Alpha 3.0 Production Schedule got updated:

    The format of the report was changed as said 2 weeks ago to properly display all that's left before 3.0 reaches the public PTU, instead of accounting for the next phase of the Evocati (the shopping/cargo/trade pass they've been doing now mostly complete already focus on missions).

    So remaining category has its set of remaining bugs and ongoing tasks to be completed:
    • Shopping


    • Missions


    • Ships/Vehicles


    • Traversal


    • MobiGlas


    • Performance and Stability:


    This makes up 57 Bugs and 254 ongoing Tasks. If you are curious about the high number of tasks mind this is everything issued up to do, from adding a texture to some object to implementing a new feature; the bug fixing process is the priority but the devs that aren't involved with such process will continue working on the build.

    In the report page, you'll see a status update in each of those sections.
    Post edited by MaxBacon on
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