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Mass Effect Andromeda Isn’t As Bad As You’ve Heard - The RPG Files at MMORPG.com

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  • BakgrindBakgrind Member UncommonPosts: 422
    edited April 2017
    I just finished the game and it was every bit as good as I expected or thought it would be. I guess their intent was to capture,copy and use some of the better parts of the original trilogy and try to blend them into Andromeda. I personally think they achieved that goal and was pretty much satisfied with the story, the game play with the over all look and feel that was the very essence of Mass Effect trilogy. I know there will be others that disagree and that's fine. But I did enjoy my 84 hrs with 91% completion of the game very much and I am looking forward to see what they have for us in the way of dlc.
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  • KiyonoriKiyonori Member UncommonPosts: 70
    Distopia said:
    There's a reason they set Both DA:I and ME:A outside of their predecessors, they were meant to be different games than what came before, connected in IP only.
    You call it being "outside of their predecessors". I call it killing the IPs, burying them, and pissing on the graves.

    Yeah everyone can like what they want, no one has the true, ultimate say on what it good or bad, but regardless of how you feel about both games (DA:I, ME:A) they have done both series a disservice. It shows (especially so) with this recent iteration. If they want to take their games in such a different direction why not create a new IP and avoid all of the hate that comes from failed expectations?

    Like the article says, had it not been called "Mass Effect" people would have been more forgiving. With a name as well known as Mass Effect there is a certain amount of quality expected and I'm not talking about them "going in a different direction". I mean a quality of writing, QA testing, you know, the usual? That's where this article fails, it tries to paint the game as going in another direction and that people can't handle change but that's not the problem at all.


    EA isn't content with just destroying studios, they have to destroy the games themselves now. Oops, everyone hates EA! Looks like I'm following the hivemind! Oh wait, no, they've actually destroyed more studios and IP's than I can count on two hands guess it must be some of that witchcraft people call "independent thought".

    And I'm not hating on the writers or staff, I love this site, been coming here roughly 14 years now but I don't feel this article made any valid points. I mean no disrespect.

  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    BizkitNL said:

    Flharfh said:


    Ginaz said:

    I have no idea why the staff here are defending the game as much as they are. I haven't seen it taken to this level before. We get it. You like the game. You really, really like it. Some people won't like it as much as you or at all. Some of the criticism is a little overboard (like all the social engineering stuff) but there are many legitimate problems with this new ME. Some of the staff responses are borderline fanboyism. Relax and calm your tits.




    You are right, the original review posted here was pretty blatant fanboyism. The reviewer wrote something like "graphic flaws don't matter because Mass Effect isn't about graphics." A video game where graphics don't matter? What is it, a MUD or something?



    Why do you people immediately call it fanboyism? Is it so hard to understand that other people might have a different opinion?

    There is no real truth behind this game. Every person is going to feel different about it, to the extent that some hate it and some love it. Grow up and respect that fact and maybe, just maybe, this place is going to be a lot more pleasant to visit.

    The first paragraph of the review flat out says it's written by a fanboy who can't really be objective. It warns that if you're not also an uncritical fanboy that you're going to see right through the blatant bias and excuse making.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    edited April 2017
    Kiyonori said:
    Distopia said:
    There's a reason they set Both DA:I and ME:A outside of their predecessors, they were meant to be different games than what came before, connected in IP only.
    You call it being "outside of their predecessors". I call it killing the IPs, burying them, and pissing on the graves.

    Yeah everyone can like what they want, no one has the true, ultimate say on what it good or bad, but regardless of how you feel about both games (DA:I, ME:A) they have done both series a disservice. It shows (especially so) with this recent iteration. If they want to take their games in such a different direction why not create a new IP and avoid all of the hate that comes from failed expectations?

    Like the article says, had it not been called "Mass Effect" people would have been more forgiving. With a name as well known as Mass Effect there is a certain amount of quality expected and I'm not talking about them "going in a different direction". I mean a quality of writing, QA testing, you know, the usual? That's where this article fails, it tries to paint the game as going in another direction and that people can't handle change but that's not the problem at all.


    EA isn't content with just destroying studios, they have to destroy the games themselves now. Oops, everyone hates EA! Looks like I'm following the hivemind! Oh wait, no, they've actually destroyed more studios and IP's than I can count on two hands guess it must be some of that witchcraft people call "independent thought".

    And I'm not hating on the writers or staff, I love this site, been coming here roughly 14 years now but I don't feel this article made any valid points. I mean no disrespect.

     I don't look at it much different than say Star Wars offering different types of products to different audiences. Hence I can't really get behind the idea that it's a disservice.

    As for quality there's something many don't seem to consider here.

     Creating an open world game with lots of dialogue options; what was it a 1000+ NPCs to converse with? With male and female options in said dialogue, as well as a myriad of facial options, while at the same time balancing open world gameplay into it all. It's a huge undertaking and not the same as creating a narrative based experience that's more akin to a corridor, in which the player is guided by a narrative string pulling you along.

    There are things that are going to be sacrificed in the larger game, one of which is overall quality of each individual element. Every game of that type suffers in that regard, be it TES, Dragon's Dogma (which sacrificed a lot of things to pull off it's level of interaction in combat), DA:I, Fall out games, so on and so forth.

    You can see this difference in the witcher 3, as without the need to account for many different playstyles, characters, etc... They can put a lot more refinement into the overall presentation. As well as overall craftsmanship of the world, as it's much more centralized in it's possible uses. 

    All games are a mix of their given elements, the more elements the more sacrifices, that's just the way things are with big games. EA/Bioware is still relatively new at that, as it's never been in their comfort zone, neither in their old or new existence. They've been creating centralized, limited options/outcome experiences since at least KOTOR. They've still got a lot to learn about balancing the overall experience in a deeper game.  

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  • AzothAzoth Member UncommonPosts: 840
    Asch126 said:
    Azoth said:
    Asch126 said:
    Azoth said:
    Asch126 said:
    SBFord said:
    Asch126 said:
    This is one of the worst articles I've seen here so far.

    It's childish, and honestly, pathetic to just dismiss everything the community has said like this.
    Not everyone in "the community" is up in arms. Most are quietly and happily playing the game while acknowledging that there are flaws and bugs, even a lot of them, but also waiting to hear how those issues will be dealt with come Tuesday. Much of what is "wrong" with MEA will be addressed through patches. 

    The bottom line is, if the story isn't to your liking. If the game doesn't meet your expectations. If you hate the game play, the character models, or any one of a litany of things -- stop playing  and go back to play the Original Trilogy and hope that the next ME game is better. 

    I find that this has been a pretty damned good first effort by a young team. I have a lot of confidence in their future and the future of the series.
    "Most" are happily playing the game? Since when is YOUR opinion the opinion of "most" now?

    "Oh, it'll be patched so it's ok", since when was that acceptable? Since when is a game with so many issues with animations and the writing given a pass because it's "a young team"?
    Almost all of the people that I know that bought the game are actually liking it. 1 out of 9 decided to stop playing and wait for updates.
    Oh really? The people YOU know like it? I'm sorry, i forgot you and your friends spoke for everyone else.
    It's the only valid metric I have. At least it comes from people that have played the games.
    Ah ok, so everyone that mentions the bugs, all the videos showing how terrible the animation and writing is, they have the game and they dislike it. That opinion somehow means less than your friends or the writer of the article's opnions?
    My friends opinions certainly matters more than a couple videos on youtube compiling 5 minutes of bad from a game that last 100hours or random Joe commenting on the game while I don't even know if he played the game or not. Most of the complaints seem to come from people that are only parroting what they heard. And just FYI, my friends opinion matter more than the writers of this site also.

    I am not saying it's a perfect game, far from it, but it certainly isn't a failure. If you focus only on the bad you will hate the game, but there is so much good in it, that in the end, the odd time you see a bad animation you just laugh at it.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Furiant said:

    I'm so tired of reviewers telling me that I'm some mindless drone in the social media hive mind. Social media is a bunch of people. You use social media -- how did you manage to escape the mob mentality?

    Give us a little credit please. I'm an adult and capable of forming my own opinions, thank you. And ME:A is exactly as bad as I would have me believe.

    Another obvious post by someone who did not play the game.  Just regurgitating someone else's negative opinion is rather sad. 

    Personally still playing the game and despite a few minor bugs I had a blast playing it.  Too bad you are missing out.
  • eaggieaggi Member UncommonPosts: 2
    edited April 2017
    I enjoyed the game from start to finish. Some of the facial animations are abit... yeah you have seen them. But all in all I am really looking forward to see how the story progresses. I spent 80 hours on my first playthru. Pissed of at some minor bugs that have made me stuck at 99% complete, hopefully it will work better during my second run.

    Hopefully we will not have to wait another five years for the next game.

    Keep it simple.

  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    edited April 2017

    Phry said:

    Apparently on April 4th they (Bioware) are going to let us know how they are going to fix the game, but as The Know have said, is it too late to save the game, and how much can they actually reasonably fix, certainly not the writing, not unless they are willing to do a 'do over' as was done with FFXIV1.0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVD0akqlZfA



    Who says that ME: A is in the need of saving ?

    And since when is the opinion of a youtube channel considered as an axiom ?
  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 829

    Iselin said:





    "Twitter group think leads us to believe that a 76 on Metacritic is a failure"





    This goes in the same context as your review. Look at the user score: 4.7 2056 Ratings



    your narrative. your "truth" what you want for us to BELIEVE : 21 Critics, outlets, = 76



    Let me do a clap.....



    *clap*



    You actually put a bunch of trolls who give the game a 0 or a 1 on the same level of relevance as people who do extended reviews explaining what they liked and didn't like?

    Yeah I get that real reviews take time to read and the user "reviews" are more like tweets that may be more in your comfort zone, but give your head a shake, you're talking about two totally different things.



    people who dont like the game = trolls

    great logic dude ... another *clap* for you.
    It's tough to argue this point.  The people who didn't like it tend to be trolls about it, and the people who do, tend to be fanboi's about it.  Reading this thread doesn't seem like anyything else than a troll/fanboi war.

    I don't think it's as good as the other three, but i like it so far after 50 hours.  There's my review.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    Katilla said:

    Iselin said:





    "Twitter group think leads us to believe that a 76 on Metacritic is a failure"





    This goes in the same context as your review. Look at the user score: 4.7 2056 Ratings



    your narrative. your "truth" what you want for us to BELIEVE : 21 Critics, outlets, = 76



    Let me do a clap.....



    *clap*



    You actually put a bunch of trolls who give the game a 0 or a 1 on the same level of relevance as people who do extended reviews explaining what they liked and didn't like?

    Yeah I get that real reviews take time to read and the user "reviews" are more like tweets that may be more in your comfort zone, but give your head a shake, you're talking about two totally different things.



    people who dont like the game = trolls

    great logic dude ... another *clap* for you.
    It's tough to argue this point.  The people who didn't like it tend to be trolls about it, and the people who do, tend to be fanboi's about it.  Reading this thread doesn't seem like anyything else than a troll/fanboi war.

    I don't think it's as good as the other three, but i like it so far after 50 hours.  There's my review.
    Well you're missing the whole point. You, just like the vast majority of metacritic user "reviews," are offering no substance that in any meaningful way would let others know why you "like it so far."

    That is precisely what makes the multi-paragraph critic reviews useful and why I use air quotes to refer to the metacritic one-liner "reviews." It's what makes those user scores irrelevant.

    Rock Paper Shotgun did a full review (with no numerical score as is their way) of MEA and they slammed it pretty hard... too hard, IMO, but I respect what they had to say as an informative review not as a useless almost clever twitter quip passing itself off as a "review."
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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,399
    rensta said:

    Ginaz said:

    I have no idea why the staff here are defending the game as much as they are. I haven't seen it taken to this level before. We get it. You like the game. You really, really like it. Some people won't like it as much as you or at all. Some of the criticism is a little overboard (like all the social engineering stuff) but there are many legitimate problems with this new ME. Some of the staff responses are borderline fanboyism. Relax and calm your tits.






    +1
    Whatever you say about people not liking the game, you guys just keep posting positive reviews one after another, yes we get it, you like it, or they pay you, but, we don't care, just move on.
    You don't have to prove you are right, you stated your review and opinion long ago.
    And we get it you don't like the game move on!  Take your own advice instead of coming to any article that actually has something good to say and try to prove it wrong.  Hypocrite much!
  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,399
    In the end it didn't matter if the game was the best game ever made or if it was a total piece of crap.  Many people are still upset about the ending of Mass Effect 3 and just can't let it go and will complain about everything from this point on that Bioware releases.  Even if they gave people a million dollars to complete the game people would still be pissing in the wind and moaning about every little thing they can find and be upset about.  The mentality of our societies today is getting worse every year.  Instead of being appreciative of what we have all they do is complain about what they don't have or want.
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    I made it half way through the game and was like wtf , game sux.
  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    edited April 2017

    Iselin said:


    TimEisen said:


    OG_Zorvan said:


    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.


    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 


    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

    The twitter mob mind at work.



    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
  • eddieg50eddieg50 Member UncommonPosts: 1,809
    It is kind of disappointing that there are so many homophobes in gaming. It makes gamers seem like immature jerks and that is sad
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    edited April 2017


    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
    Hmmm

    "Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462434/mass-effect-andromeda-isn-t-as-bad-as-you-ve-heard-the-rpg-files-at-mmorpg-com/p2#oek6eXhBRQ3ptCCZ.99

    link seems to go to this tread.... it's even in the quote chain you responded to :)..... kinda happened before Iselin's post..

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  • tixylixtixylix Member UncommonPosts: 1,288
    It's so poorly written, I cringe all the time at it... plus I hate how we've gone to a new Galaxy and it's all the same and I'm bored of shooting everything in an RPG, give me new gameplay.
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    My husband seems to like it. I haven't played it yet since I'm replaying the original trilogy first (I'm starting mass effect 2 today, I'm just updating a few things first, like going to HD textures).
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    edited April 2017

    Iselin said:


    TimEisen said:


    OG_Zorvan said:


    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.


    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 


    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

    The twitter mob mind at work.



    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
    Don't mind him. When people pointed out that you couldn't make white characters in MEA he went on a racist rant against "pink boys" being selfish. That's not the type of person anyone takes seriously.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Iselin said:


    TimEisen said:


    OG_Zorvan said:


    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.


    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 


    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

    The twitter mob mind at work.



    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
    Don't mind him. When people pointed out that you couldn't make white characters in MEA he went on a racist rant against "pink boys" being selfish. That's not the type of person anyone takes seriously.
    Can't make white characters? What? Where did you get that nonsense from?

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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,029
    Distopia said:

    Iselin said:


    TimEisen said:


    OG_Zorvan said:


    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.


    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 


    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

    The twitter mob mind at work.



    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
    Don't mind him. When people pointed out that you couldn't make white characters in MEA he went on a racist rant against "pink boys" being selfish. That's not the type of person anyone takes seriously.
    Can't make white characters? What? Where did you get that nonsense from?
    From all the wisdom one gathers from not playing the game duh.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    idk how bad is bad or "what you've heard" but i would give it a 5/10.
    6/10 to me is  barely playable but i will play it,5/10 means it is ok but i won't play it.
    I feel people are way too easy and generous when handing out scores,i guess with limited knowledge i can understand it.It is like asking a soccer player to rate a baseball game.

    I look to the main core design aspects,then i decide are any of them good?

    graphics?They do nothing for me
    Story..again does nothing for me,cs's are not even done very well,poorly actually.
    combat?Hell no,sub par.
    mapping/layout...boring,does nothing for me.
    peripherals?I saw some,not enough to make up for he rest of the game.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Distopia said:

    Don't mind him. When people pointed out that you couldn't make white characters in MEA he went on a racist rant against "pink boys" being selfish. That's not the type of person anyone takes seriously.
    Can't make white characters? What? Where did you get that nonsense from?
    From all the wisdom one gathers from not playing the game duh.
    Yet people wonder why others feel the need to come here and dispel the BS. People believe anything they read....

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    edited April 2017
    Wizardry said:
    idk how bad is bad or "what you've heard" but i would give it a 5/10.
    6/10 to me is  barely playable but i will play it,5/10 means it is ok but i won't play it.
    I feel people are way too easy and generous when handing out scores,i guess with limited knowledge i can understand it.It is like asking a soccer player to rate a baseball game.

    I look to the main core design aspects,then i decide are any of them good?

    graphics?They do nothing for me
    Story..again does nothing for me,cs's are not even done very well,poorly actually.
    combat?Hell no,sub par.
    mapping/layout...boring,does nothing for me.
    peripherals?I saw some,not enough to make up for he rest of the game.

    How can you even begin to rate something you haven't played? Do you also rate books you haven't read and movies you haven't watched?

    You and many others here just want to get in on the action of discussing a game that's being discussed everywhere without having played a minute of it for fear of being left out of discussing a hot topic. I get that.

    But where do you get off giving it a numerical score?

    You never fail to amuse.
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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    Distopia said:

    Iselin said:


    TimEisen said:


    OG_Zorvan said:


    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.


    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 


    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

    The twitter mob mind at work.



    Ah yes you are one of those guys. Now I see why you cant use logic in your arguments. Now it is all clear: whoever disagrees with you or media is a troll etc. btw. in this thread nobody mentioned gamergate or sjw. it was only you.
    Don't mind him. When people pointed out that you couldn't make white characters in MEA he went on a racist rant against "pink boys" being selfish. That's not the type of person anyone takes seriously.
    Can't make white characters? What? Where did you get that nonsense from?
    He was responding to someone else, not something I said.

    However I do see the argument, the lightest you can get looks Puerto Rican or Mediterranean. If you want to make someone who looks Irish, Swedish, German, etc. you're out of luck because the skin tones can't go that light.

    Bioware has even acknowledged this.



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