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Mass Effect Andromeda Isn’t As Bad As You’ve Heard - The RPG Files at MMORPG.com

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,329
    "Mass Effect Andromeda Isn’t As Bad As You’ve Heard"

    The title of this article isn't very reassuring lol. By saying it is not "as bad", that still leaves us to conclude that you think the game is some degree of bad. :lol:
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Talmien said:
    I'm one of those gamers who hasn't bought it because of the word of mouth says that its a failure.

    I tend to not listen to video games critics, because the reality is, they are not critics, they're the biggest fans and gamers out there. They love games so much, and love the developers that make them, that they'll never be able to give a honest and objective reviews, even though that say otherwise. Most "critics" get review copies for free, and even that skews your perspective. I prefer to read user reviews from people who have limited gaming budgets to help me find how best to spend my money on entertainment.
    I'm one of those who is usually more interested in playing when there's so much hoopla. Just to see for myself, as the amount of money isn't much of a risk, especially with EA titles as you can just get EA access (5 bones) and try their new games for 10hrs. No different than going to blockbuster in the 90's to rent games to test them out. I'm usually left perplexed by what the hoopla was all about. I just wonder how many jump onto these bandwagons making so much noise without ever touching the game themselves. All because they read something that says it's bad. 

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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,323
    Here's the problem everyone's opinion is subjective, no one can truly have objective opinions because there is always some form of personal feeling or emotion attached.  With that said no one person is wrong about their opinion for them, but that also means that their opinion is just that an opinion not a fact.  Everyone acts like their opinion are facts when they are not facts.  To some the game is great and worth every penny they spent to others is isn't a good game and they regret buying it. 

    To those that haven't played it personally your opinions matter the least to me and many because you don't have first hand knowledge about anything.  Watching others play and reading other peoples comments don't give you any expertise on the game at all.  Whether you like it or don't, if you haven't played it you are basically wasting your time trying to change peoples minds.  The second I find out you haven't played it I totally stop listening to you as I am sure many others do as there is no way for you to give a review because you haven't played it.

    People that have played it and don't like it are entitled to that.  They can review it and say why and I will most likely respect their opinion even if I don't agree.  I may ask why they feel that way to understand better why they feel that way. 

    That is the difference for me, have you played it or haven't you.

    Overall for me I have have enjoyed the game.  The story for me has been great.  I love the new feel with the little bits and pieces of the previous games thrown in here or there in some form or other.  The combat is very much improved vs. the past games.  The open planets give use room to roam and find the little hidden things vs. running down a pre-fab corridor in every mission.  Yes there is so repetition in the main story quest with resetting the planets but that is about it.  For me at least the game has been mostly bug free other than a script error because I did something that wouldn't let a quest advance because the script is to kill a target in range and I sniped them out of range.  Other than 2 bugs where I did the before mentioned I haven't ran into a single other bug and I fixed those two by reloading and moving into range.  Even the nomad is a greatly improve vehicle and fun to drive on some planets once ungraded to the fullest.  One of only bad things for me is the facial animation really, and I just laugh that crap off because it can make a rather dull moment hilarious when you see it.  The only other part that is really boring to me is wasting my time scanning planets that I can't land on, they could have cut that part out and still had a decent game.

    My personal score for this game right now is a 8.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,397
    Phry said:
    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 
    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.
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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    edited March 2017

    Iselin said:


    Phry said:

    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 


    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.



    hmm I see you mention SJW in your comments so much. why it bothers you? are they trolls because they dont like the game AND SJW?
  • ulrick1965ulrick1965 Member UncommonPosts: 9
    edited March 2017
    Love the game. I have over 70 hours logged via multiplayer and campaign.

    It would be great if the haters would identify whether or not they purchased and played the game or were simply programmed by social media.

    If you have not paid anything why are you acting like Bioware is shoving a rough stick up your butt? What is your stake in the conversation? If you have not played it why are you commenting at all?
  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,377


    It's bad and it isn't because of "social politics". A lot of people including me wanted the game to be good and it was supposed to be critically acclaimed. To say it's good and claim that the outcry of the fans of the series that say it's bad are nothing more than naysayers is childish at best.



    I honestly think you are confusing social politics with marketing. Studios follow the money.

    I try to think of games and their appeal based on multiple groups.

    For general fans of this kind of game this one sounds average if not a hair below average at best.

    For hardcore ME fans, yes I can see how this one is a disappointment.

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  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,751
    edited March 2017
    Don't you think if you're going to QUOTE someone talking about the game, you'd talk to someone a little bit further than just discovering the Angara? Just sayin'. I expected more from @GameByNight . That's like asking someone to tell you about the car when they're on their test drive from the lot.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    TimEisen said:


    It's bad and it isn't because of "social politics". A lot of people including me wanted the game to be good and it was supposed to be critically acclaimed. To say it's good and claim that the outcry of the fans of the series that say it's bad are nothing more than naysayers is childish at best.



    I honestly think you are confusing social politics with marketing. Studios follow the money.

    I try to think of games and their appeal based on multiple groups.

    For general fans of this kind of game this one sounds average if not a hair below average at best.

    For hardcore ME fans, yes I can see how this one is a disappointment.


    Let's also not forget Mass Effect 3, which has a User Rating of around 5.6 on Metacritic. Again, I feel like some people believe that the fan outcry is far more relevant that it is for this specific series. What's problematic with this is that in the event that someone happens that fans really hate (like in ME3 and now in ME4) they will revolt and be very vocal about it and dig up just about anything they can. So the relevance of their voice is really diluted. Same goes for ME4. Personally, I don't know how anyone could possibly make a purchase decision based on the reviews. You don't know how prevalent the issues with the game are since the User Reviews are so massively skewed. So, instead, you end up sifting through heaps of shit trying to find what you believe to be an objective review. Or you just listen to the critics. 

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,363
    CrazKanuk said:
    TimEisen said:


    It's bad and it isn't because of "social politics". A lot of people including me wanted the game to be good and it was supposed to be critically acclaimed. To say it's good and claim that the outcry of the fans of the series that say it's bad are nothing more than naysayers is childish at best.



    I honestly think you are confusing social politics with marketing. Studios follow the money.

    I try to think of games and their appeal based on multiple groups.

    For general fans of this kind of game this one sounds average if not a hair below average at best.

    For hardcore ME fans, yes I can see how this one is a disappointment.


    Let's also not forget Mass Effect 3, which has a User Rating of around 5.6 on Metacritic. Again, I feel like some people believe that the fan outcry is far more relevant that it is for this specific series. What's problematic with this is that in the event that someone happens that fans really hate (like in ME3 and now in ME4) they will revolt and be very vocal about it and dig up just about anything they can. So the relevance of their voice is really diluted. Same goes for ME4. Personally, I don't know how anyone could possibly make a purchase decision based on the reviews. You don't know how prevalent the issues with the game are since the User Reviews are so massively skewed. So, instead, you end up sifting through heaps of shit trying to find what you believe to be an objective review. Or you just listen to the critics. 
    yeah because ME3 was so "good", that ending, that cut on game lore, was better then ME2 but that does not mean much really
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  • molepeopomolepeopo Member UncommonPosts: 39

    Talmien said:

    I'm one of those gamers who hasn't bought it because of the word of mouth says that its a failure.

    I tend to not listen to video games critics, because the reality is, they are not critics, they're the biggest fans and gamers out there. They love games so much, and love the developers that make them, that they'll never be able to give a honest and objective reviews, even though that say otherwise. Most "critics" get review copies for free, and even that skews your perspective. I prefer to read user reviews from people who have limited gaming budgets to help me find how best to spend my money on entertainment.



    it's hard for me to take player reviews serious when you see alot of reviews on metacritic like "lulz game sucks"
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,271
    edited March 2017
    I really don't care about the animations, I really don't care about the poor optimization, It's a good game but what I do care compare to ME2 are the companions, in MEA they are boring, not fun, stale, nothing to remember, but in ME2, damn those companions are gold and NPCs made the game, they were "alive" I don't see that happens in MEA.
  • starwarsnutstarwarsnut Member UncommonPosts: 230
    this is why you never buy an ea game at launch...1/2 baked and buggy as hell /smh
  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 2,277
    edited March 2017
    Iselin said:
    Phry said:
    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 
    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.
    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.


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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,377
    OG_Zorvan said:
    Iselin said:
    Phry said:
    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 
    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.
    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.
    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 
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  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    OG_Zorvan said:
    Iselin said:
    Phry said:
    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 
    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.
    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.
    I think I know where Manveirs complaints are coming from

  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,237
    I have no idea why the staff here are defending the game as much as they are. I haven't seen it taken to this level before. We get it. You like the game. You really, really like it. Some people won't like it as much as you or at all. Some of the criticism is a little overboard (like all the social engineering stuff) but there are many legitimate problems with this new ME. Some of the staff responses are borderline fanboyism. Relax and calm your tits.

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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,180
    I'm tired of hearing well that game over there didn't get ripped into like this. Yes, yes it did, if there was something glaringly wrong with it, it got ripped apart in same fashion. This is becoming a broken record any time someones game is under assault, you misdirect and say well they did it too! That is what children do.
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,058
    I'm more interested in playing torment, nier:automata and the ds3 dlc.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,397
    edited March 2017
    TimEisen said:
    OG_Zorvan said:
    Iselin said:
    Phry said:
    Those that do mention that person however, are just supplying the reasons why certain aspects of the game are sub par, 
    No matter how you shake it, the mention of his tasteless tweets are 100% irrelevant to the game. It just makes those who insist on mentioning that or throwing SJW in there easy to dismiss as trolls with an agenda other than the game's merits or lack thereof.
    Sorry, but Manveir and the SJW developers on his team as well as the SJW main character voice actors had a direct effect on the games development, so they are highly relevant to the discussion, whether you like it or not.
    Did the devs make the SJW angle clear? IMO studios follow money and avoid nich politics as those things generally cost more than they are worth and cause drama which adds another cost. I assumed they were just getting on the "strong female lead" gimmick that has taken over Hollywood ever since Hunger Games proved to be a draw. 
    Nah. It's just hysterical and irrelevant nonsense.

    Considering the world demographics and that the human ark should theoretically be representative of that, if anything, white males are over-represented... just like they are in all space operas.

    It's the same old gamergate crap with the same cast of characters who like to insult professional reviewers as corrupt lackeys and Bioware as part of some feminist agenda. They just pointed their hate at MEA and went with it.

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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,377
    edited March 2017
    Aori said:
    I'm tired of hearing well that game over there didn't get ripped into like this. Yes, yes it did, if there was something glaringly wrong with it, it got ripped apart in same fashion. This is becoming a broken record any time someones game is under assault, you misdirect and say well they did it too! That is what children do.
    It seems like its a modern social internet trend. Its like people deify everything now, games, movies, people, landmarks, anything, then use that weird logical fallacy to defend them.

    Frankly I don't care if another bridge is unsafe, that doesn't mean your favorite bridge can be unsafe because I use that bridge and I don't want to use a dangerous bridge lol.

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    FWIW 2.0 I don't think I've seen blatant fanboyism from anyone here at MMO. I keep seeing them say its ok, its good and to some people its great but not all of them. Thats on par with the impressions I've heard but why am I even here? I don't play these games lol.
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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,377
    "We’ve come to a place where the power of expectation and Twitter group think leads us to believe that a 76 on Metacritic is a failure. It’s not"

    This is my favorite line. Back in my day! (spits into the tin that sits next to his rocker) game scores were different. I generally thought a 7/10 was a good game. Like, it was ok, and ok is ok. I'd rent it it or maybe even buy it if it was a type of game I loved. When a game got a 8 it was really good and a 9, man, a 9 was...well that was Zelda. I saw a 6 as probably a rental, one I was excited for (waiting for rentals was always hard). 5 or less probably a rental once it was a 2 for 1 which wouldn't be very long after hit hit the rental shelf. Less than a 5 I skipped. Thats just me but it seems like the game score scale has shifted in recent years so anything less than a 8.5 or 9 is considered an epic failure of hot garbage. Its really odd.

    Oh crap, um...ok so a rental was a thing that came from ancient gaming archives known as Video Rental Stores (confusing name I know) where gamers went to pay small fees to borrow games for a few days. Not to be confused with Arcades which were ancient gamer PVP temples...

    Anyway, the point is 7 is probably a good game to most casual gamers. The hardcore ME fans, yeah, that is terrible to you, I empathize with that. I agree with you too. When you love a franchise its unfortunate to see it underperform and in many ways go backward on some of the pillars that made it great.

    Its hard to explain but casual fans, ME fans, etc. You can all be right at the same time because your opinion is tied to your relationship with the ME franchise.
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  • FlharfhFlharfh Member UncommonPosts: 14
    edited March 2017
    Ginaz said:
    I have no idea why the staff here are defending the game as much as they are. I haven't seen it taken to this level before. We get it. You like the game. You really, really like it. Some people won't like it as much as you or at all. Some of the criticism is a little overboard (like all the social engineering stuff) but there are many legitimate problems with this new ME. Some of the staff responses are borderline fanboyism. Relax and calm your tits.

    You are right, the original review posted here was pretty blatant fanboyism. The reviewer wrote something like "graphic flaws don't matter because Mass Effect isn't about graphics." A video game where graphics don't matter? What is it, a MUD or something?
  • Kinjo_HavicKinjo_Havic Member UncommonPosts: 234
    This game is Dragon Age: Inquisition in space, But I loved that game and I am really enjoying Andromeda.

    My biggest complaint is the animations, yes you get used to them, but it should not have launched like this.

    Otherwise great game.
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  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 714
    edited March 2017

    Distopia said:



    It's bad and it isn't because of "social politics". A lot of people including me wanted the game to be good and it was supposed to be critically acclaimed. To say it's good and claim that the outcry of the fans of the series that say it's bad are nothing more than naysayers is childish at best.


    What's childish is acting as though you're the authority on what is good or bad, either is only true in the eye of the beholder. I find it to be a better game which is much more in line with my tastes than any of the past ME games, I don't think that's a universal truth though. Learn to respect others thoughts is what I say. 

    There's a reason they set Both DA:I and ME:A outside of their predecessors, they were meant to be different games than what came before, connected in IP only.



    My point is exactly the same. Just because I didn't say 'in my opinion' at the end there doesn't mean it wasn't my opinion. Of course it is. Difference is I wasn't saying that the reason there are people that don't like the game is because someone told him to or due to some irl prejudice of some sort against minority groups or majority groups. If you read through, you can see that I am against the notion that one group or another believes he or she has the right to condemn the other argument for the game to be insignificant or wrong in comparison to their own. Thanks for your time
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