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So I was playing ESO - captured this screenshot.



  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,516
    YashaX said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

    Except in most games it's a 10-15% increase, not a 200fucking% increase in performance.

    50k+ DPS vs 20 at best with a sub-optimal build.  Sorry but that's not "min-max" that's stupid vs performing well.

    There is an OUTRAGOEUS disparity between meta and non-meta builds in ESO, you cannot deny that unless you just have blinders on.
    Eh... not as unusual as you might think. I remember such imbalance issues coming up even going back to Vanilla WoW days.

    My answer then, and my answer now is the same: So what?

    That stuff only matters to people whom, like yourself (presumably), seem to obsess and build your entire game experience around such things.

    I, and others like me, don't care about such things.

    I play to find builds that fit the playstyle I personally enjoy playing, not to measure up to someone else's ideal of "how I should be playing".

    As long as I'm able to complete content, perform my role in a group adequately, and enjoy myelf, life is good. If I hit a wall where my current build is no longer sufficient, then I'll tend to it and make the improvements necessary to continue playing as I enjoy.

    In my nearly 15 years of MMO gaming, across all the MMOs I've played, I've *never* cared about what was "most optimal". Only what's "most fun for me", while being effective enough to complete the content. Sometimes the two overlapped. Sometimes they didn't. Same difference either way.

    I know that's difficult for many min-maxers to understand. Again, I reference my friend from FFXI who nagged me and sent me links to "optimal guides" for years when we played it, because he could not understand how I was enjoying the game if I (in his words) "wasn't playing it right".

    I got hassled constantly for playing Dragoon in FFXI, because it was widely considered a "weak job". Didn't care. I enjoyed it, so I played it. I got hassled incessantly when Ninja was considered the "must have job" for seemingly everything, but refused to play it myself. Why? Because Ninja wasn't fun to me, and I didn't want to spend my gaming time playing something I didn't enjoy. Despite all that, I always got into groups, completed content, and enjoyed myself, by my own terms.

    So, I don't expect you (or other min-maxers) to understand that difference in mindset... but I do wish you people would at least come to terms with it, and stop trying to bash others over the head with it. And yes, your initial response to me is an example of that.
    That's a lot of words to say you can't raid or do vet content unless you have a meta build......

    Like seriously it is impossible to clear DPS checks with anything other than top-tier setups that are homogenized to death.

    The excuse of "well you can do most content" is a weak cop-out.  In most games you have a meta team comp, but even those simply make it easier, not impossible to clear raids/high-end content.  Zenimax has decided to design AROUND that meta as the standard, and because the disparity is massive in ESO that means there is no options for endgame content.

    The fact that you literally cannot clear content after a certain point without conforming to the meta is a huge black mark.  You can downplay it all you want but it's a design failure.

    Dude... the metas are vet trials builds. You.... do ... not ... need... them for vet dungeons unless you want to cheese the mechanics in a speed run.
    Right....so if everyone ran a 2H/DW build on stamina DPS you could still clear vet dungeons?  Wrong.

    Yup. I could make that work... could you?
    At this point you're just lying to people.  Let them find out for themselves I suppose.  Just go look at the ESO forums and you'll see at least one or two threads a day about it from new players that find out they can't actually run what they want, don't have to take my word for it.
    He is not lying: the most important aspect of the game in terms of "power" is gear and CP, after that I would be far more worried about ability than not running a metabuild. For example, 2H/dw would be fine in vet dungeons for dps, and I have often run non-meta tank builds and got through things fine.
    So you can get carried by people who were twice as effective as you, is that supposed to be some sort of an achievement?

    Again, this is not a difference of 5-10%, in ESO you're talking DOUBLE the efficiency, usually more.  
    There is no need to get carried, like I said gear and CP followed by your ability to play the game (knowledge of dungeon/game mechanics, etc) play a much larger role than using a specific build. 

    Your whining about builds is almost laughable considering most pug groups are unlikely to have players with max CP and gold gear with optimal enchants, and half the time players don't even move out of red circles.

    Meanwhile, in pvp there is a vast array of potentially strong builds.

    I mean do you even play this game or do you just read the complaints on the forums and come here to bitch some more? 
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,695
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    ESO's graphics are okay, but they are also a bit dated, when you compare it to games such as BDO, where the quality of the graphics is significantly higher it tends to highlight the difference in generations.
    BDO definitely has some of the best graphics of the whole MMO industry, there's no doubt about that, but when it comes to art style I prefer ESO. BDO is sometimes a bit too "Asian little girls with short frilly skirts" for my taste in some classes. My Maehva is thankfully not affected by that.
    While some might disagree, i do think they could remove the tamer class entirely without detracting from the game in any way ;)
    But you are correct that the game does have quite a few 'asian' influences, which is to be expected given the origin of the game, fortunately it doesn't do it to the extent that games such as Blade and Soul do, for which i am very thankful. :p
    But I play a Tamer! I guess you guys are all either happily married or dead inside. Although I never understood the difference myself. 
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  • JemcrystalJemcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 1,935
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    You have mad design skills. I love the stuff you put together.
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  • JemcrystalJemcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 1,935
    Torval said:
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    You have mad design skills. I love the stuff you put together.
    Not my design.  Impressive pictures my fellow TESO gamers have shared with me.  Thus the "cite" link which means "I have gathered this information from somewhere else; it is not my doing."

    I probably will not be sharing any more pictures.  I loved how artistic this game is.  But it's time for me to leave.  I have been with TESO for a year now and that is about as long as I can stay with any game, mmo or otherwise.

    I'll return to my studies on game design, meshing, rigging, and some programming in my fav language C#.

    It was fun while it lasted but all good things end.

  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 432
    edited November 2017
    TaishiFox said:

    You do realize the same could be said about you, right?

    No, actually. It couldn't.

    If you don't understand why, please see @drivendawn's response to you.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    TaishiFox said:

    You do realize the same could be said about you, right?

    No, actually. It couldn't.

    If you don't understand why, please see @drivendawn's response to you.

    consider taking the higher ground

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 432

    I rather like that shot. Also a very unexpected place to end up considering where that quest begins.

    Kudos to whom ever can identify where that is!
  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 432
    Also, this one was my desktop wallpaper for a time...

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