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That was a waste of 15 dollars

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  • IshkalIshkal Member UncommonPosts: 304
    Well it's pretty simple WoW is a bad MMO that keeps getting worse. I mean come on what game continues to remove content/abilities/skills and thinks that is progress. Vanilla and in it's time which was pretty much up until half way through lich king it rocked and WAS awesome, but now people are chasing that old feeling that isn't coming back. Side note only reason WoW was king at all was due to SWG pulling NGE and UO pulling UO2 or else it wouldn't have made it past burning crusade. Pretty much was the only fish in the pond for awhile. Every expansion there are a ton of us that say don't do it, don't believe the hype it will be dead in a month or two and with out fail WoW pulls off the same con every time
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    So WoW is installing again, already almost playable

    I'm really looking forward to checking out Sargeras, I forgot my friend gave it a lot of praise back in WoD. But I was on moon guard, then I kinda forgot about it.

    Thanks Robokapp :)
    I would suggest you check out guild & server activity online first - is it really "active". Otherwise I forsee a post in a months time along the lines of "that was a waste of $15". 

     As others have said - and I am sure you know - it is hard to get a "good guild". And on the flip side it takes a while for the guild to get to know you. And clearly your connection with WoW was with your guilds and not the game.

    And maybe consider other games as you will be starting again on the guild front. Not sure what else you have played but things like e.g. GW2 and ESO can be picked up for "about $15" both have non-PVE (you would want a PvP guild) and no subscription. LotR has non-PVE as well but you have to subscribe for monster play. Basically something else you haven't played so that whilst you are searching for a "good guild" you at least have "game stuff" that you haven't done a zillion times already to do. 

    Multi-game guilds might be something to look at as well. Guilds that play more than one game and stay in touch outside of any single game as a result. 

    If you resub and get sorted - excellent. I do worry however that - even if you don't start another thread - you will end up feeling that you have wasted another $15.
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,289
    I was in this guild that belonged to many games and they also almost always play new games. 

    The way to keep in touch with them was through their website. This way you always know what games they are playing and which ones they have left. You can go to the forum and post on the game you want to start playing again and those who are still playing will respond. This way you don't have to resub and waste any money to find out who is still playing.

    In future I suggest you use this method to avoid losing any funds you rather not lose.

  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 2,702
    Came back after a year. Logged in to my guild disbanding. Cool. Logged out and played PoE instead.

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,386
    Even if your friends were still playing, it would have been a waste of $15 :lol:
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  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,474
    Not sure why you didn't just message these awesome 'friends' on real ID and see how things were going before you subbed. Could've saved yourself some money. Personally I haven't this much fun in WoW in years. Really excited for 7.2 this week!
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,032
    edited March 2017
    Agree with several previous suggestions, multi gaming guilds are great and if you are US based I'll recommend Grievance, especially if you enjoy endgame raiding with people who take a more relaxed approach.

    I've got a close circle of friends who I first met back in L1/DAOC who generally prefer to play together, on whatever game they can agree upon.

    At these times I generally go off and play whatever game I'm interested in, even if the rest don't follow.

    I'm definitely a guild hopper, I join those who are doing content that currently interests me, and where my services can be of most use. 

    If the guild or content grows stale I have no issue moving on. In EVE my corp list is well over a dozen. Some were as long as a year and a half, some less than a week.

    My mother taught me a very narrow definition of what defines true friends, eveyone else are just friends of the moment.

    The internet is great as it lets me stay connected with situational friends yet the number of true friends in my life remains small.

    So I join new games to make "friends" with whoever is there at the time and have no issue making new ones.

    I've quit and rejoined EVE many times in 10 years and rarely rejoined the same group twice even though most continue year after year.

    I think this is because corps in EVE tend to be very focused on particular activities and when I rejoin EVE its usually to focus on content I've not done previously so I look for a group that seems to best mesh with my goals.

    As mentioned if OP is intent on gaming with close friends he'll need to find a way to stay connected and follow them where they go .

    With almost all modern MMOs following a similar pattern of furious activity after launch or expansion with a huge drop off a few months after it's the only way to maintain the longer term relationships he values.

    The sacrifice he may have to make is playing a game they prefer over one he might want to.

    I generally chose the latter but I understand why others prefer the former.

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,702
    It surprises me that the sub price is still $15

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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,289
    It surprises me that the sub price is still $15

    They have the token thing now so all the more reason not to reduce the price.

  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,827
    I think you guys don't get it: It is not just about his guild or his friends playing on the server - it is also about the overall population.

    Sorry to be a bit off topic, but one of the reasons I despise auction house system is the lack of interactivity; For example: In games like Ragnarok or Priston Tale (the ones I played, I know there are many others like that) buying something was an exercise of socializing and as Loke wisely said: MMOs are about socializing. So you would meet people - you would remember who is that guy who owned in pvp, or who was the guy that sells potions at good price... Now the procedure for everything is so automatic and cold that people hop anything due their lack of link to anyone or anywhere. They hop server because they don't care about overall population, because they don't interact with them.

    They hop guilds because guilds means nothing, they have no brand. Guild should be this elite group of players gathered in favor or some sort of perspective on the game world - Now, in most games, 99% guilds are PvX social-friendly that spams invite because it somehow drain and get resources (and xp) based on quantity and not quality.

    And sometimes guilds have their own site... but that usually means, at least the ones I met, that their hopping behavior is worse, because they hop games - and they play the ones trendy, then move on.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,230

    my friends were mostly on Moon Guard, but none of them even play anymore. Also I don't have money to throw at blizzard to transfer, character boost or any of that shit. I'm not in a casino throwing money away (at least in a casino there is a chance to get something lol), so I don't do that in MMOs either. 

    I also (like I said in my above post) do NOT guild hop, and stay with a guild for life. And I like to make long term friends. So when I find out my best friends I made IN the game (not in real life), and not a single one even plays...it completely ruined any motive I had of ever playing WoW
    Well, while that is a shame as I hate to see people lose touch with important people in their lives, I suppose you could have contacted them beforehand. I suppose this is a lesson learned moment.

    For example, I reached out to some friends I've made online to find out if they still played Lord of the Rings Online.

    I get the idea of not guild hopping, it's not really my thing either though it's difficult to find a guild that is right for any particular person.

    Still, I"m not a believer in excuses and failure is just a lesson toward success. Make it happen, reach out to your former friends and get the ball rolling. Or, find out what game they are playing and join them there? That's a possibility.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,199
    Nyctelios said:
    I think you guys don't get it: It is not just about his guild or his friends playing on the server - it is also about the overall population.


    But that is anecdotal. 

    It will vary from server to server (or more correct. server cluster to server cluster) for an example. I play on Kilrogg EU... Never seem to have any real problem finding people during peak (nor really at off peak.. but it is ofc less) 

    So that is two anecdotal points put against each other.. neither is more right or wrong. 

    the OP was unlucky and i was lucky. It happens. 

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,827
    tawess said:
    Nyctelios said:
    I think you guys don't get it: It is not just about his guild or his friends playing on the server - it is also about the overall population.


    But that is anecdotal. 

    It will vary from server to server (or more correct. server cluster to server cluster) for an example. I play on Kilrogg EU... Never seem to have any real problem finding people during peak (nor really at off peak.. but it is ofc less) 

    So that is two anecdotal points put against each other.. neither is more right or wrong. 

    the OP was unlucky and i was lucky. It happens. 
    So? Of course it is anecdotal - we are talking about OP case (and my examples) - I never stated otherwise and I don't see how that dismiss anything.
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,199
    Because it really says nothing about the overall population.

    (beyond what we know from previous earnings calls and box sales)

    It says something about his immediate social circle. and mine... and yours... 

    Sure we could extrapolate from this and get some vague general idea of the game and it´s state. 


    So yeah... It is actually just about his guild and his friends, and mine...and yours. Not about the game. 

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  • karmathkarmath Member UncommonPosts: 896
    All of your problems could be solved by typing "LF GUILD willing to tank/heal make/buy raid flasks, have mic."
  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    It surprises me that the sub price is still $15

    Until their subs fall below 2 million, why would they lower the price? 

    I am more surprised that it is still the most subscribed to MMO after all these years and people complaining about how bad it sucks.
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,368
    Ishkal said:
    Well it's pretty simple WoW is a bad MMO that keeps getting worse. I mean come on what game continues to remove content/abilities/skills and thinks that is progress. Vanilla and in it's time which was pretty much up until half way through lich king it rocked and WAS awesome, but now people are chasing that old feeling that isn't coming back. Side note only reason WoW was king at all was due to SWG pulling NGE and UO pulling UO2 or else it wouldn't have made it past burning crusade. Pretty much was the only fish in the pond for awhile. Every expansion there are a ton of us that say don't do it, don't believe the hype it will be dead in a month or two and with out fail WoW pulls off the same con every time
    You realize your logic is flawed in the extreme? Not sure if you realize this, but SWG was never a direct competitor to WoW and even in its heyday it did not put up 1/10th the numbers Wow did on the slowest year. This from me, who is by all admission a SWG fanboi/white knight.

    UO/UO 2 argument, is largely subjective as well as they were (would have been) largely niche games with a very dedicated and small player base. This does not make them bad games (or ideas in the case of UO2) but there is no way they would have drawn any significant numbers from WoW.

    At the time WoW released you had Lineage, Lineage 2, DAoC, EQ, EQ2, and a host of other smaller titles.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,032
    Talonsin said:
    It surprises me that the sub price is still $15

    Until their subs fall below 2 million, why would they lower the price? 

    I am more surprised that it is still the most subscribed to MMO after all these years and people complaining about how bad it sucks.
    Well these days its hard to know how many are subbed since they don't publish their numbers anymore.

    L1 could be higher but no good way to tell these days.

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  • RaquisRaquis Member RarePosts: 1,018
    as long as WOW has 8 million fan boys they will never make a new mmo they will just release expansions every year.
  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731
    edited March 2017
    Kyleran said:
    Talonsin said:
    It surprises me that the sub price is still $15

    Until their subs fall below 2 million, why would they lower the price? 

    I am more surprised that it is still the most subscribed to MMO after all these years and people complaining about how bad it sucks.
    Well these days its hard to know how many are subbed since they don't publish their numbers anymore.

    L1 could be higher but no good way to tell these days.
    FFXIV might have higher north america subs
  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 423
    WoW is a single player RPG for most part, that is why you are having social issues in that game. It has been hijacked by extremely casual, entitled, anti-social players that have been complaining very loudly over the years for all these silly changes that make this game less of an MMO. Sadly, Blizzard thought that catering to this group of gamers was the smartest move financially, but as we can see they have been bleeding players since Wrath, and have had major retention issues after shortly after their expansion releases. 
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    It is amazing how they still have their numbers after all these years, down but still high compared to other MMO's that have tried everything they can to get big numbers.  

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,230
    edited March 2017
    Raquis said:
    as long as WOW has 8 million fan boys they will never make a new mmo they will just release expansions every year.
    I don't think they would make a new mmo if World of Warcraft didn't have the 8 million fans.

    They were already working on an mmo, spent a lot of money working on it, were working on it for years and they decided to cancel it. Not to go back to the drawing board, tor refine it or start fresh, nope, just cancel it.

    Their canceling it had more to do with their idea that it just wan't "fun". I should add that maybe they decided the time for "big budget mmo's" was over.  There aren't a lot of big budget mmo's coming down the pike. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall?

    It's possible they used some assets for their Overwatch. I mean, why wouldn't they, they need to recoup some of their development costs.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,472
    Several friends are no longer playing, but I made new ones. That doesn't stop me from playing a good game.
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  • Asch126Asch126 Member RarePosts: 542
    So you didn't bother to check whether the server was dying or whether Goldshire had the new sluts.

    That's on you buddy.
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