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  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
    Shaigh said:
    DKLond said:
    Shaigh said:
    I haven't been particularly impressed by the promotional material for ME:A and this came across as too much of a fan's review to make a convincing argument why I should buy this title. I did read stuff on a few other sites and they made better arguments why I shouldn't buy it.

    The problem with the comments is that far too many people don't actually care about written reviews, they just want to check the score to get someone to reinforce their already established opinion.

    On HZD vs ME:A, what gaming need is more developers and publishers pushing new ideas into gaming instead of just playing it safe with established IP's. I know bioware is working on an original IP and I hope its good.
    I find this post deliciously ironic.

    The guy liked the game, so he must be a fan? Duh! ;)

    You're obviously looking to reinforce your already established opinion too.
    "Do you love Mass Effect series as much as I do?"
    "if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong."

    It never shies away from being made by someone biased about bioware and while it mentions it from the start it makes the review problematic. Defending criticism is a territory reviewers shouldn't move into. It doesn't speak enough about combat to know how it really feels, the text doesn't even mention that its a shooter.

    Its rare that I pre-order games and I generally rely on both critics and players to give me a second opinion on games.
    Ehm, so his opinion is invalid because he loved the previous Mass Effect games - or that he understands that Bioware games are focused on narrative and characters?

    You're not making even the slightest bit of sense.

    Seems to me he's the perfect candidate to review a new Bioware game.
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,003
    DKLond said:
    Shaigh said:
    DKLond said:
    Shaigh said:
    I haven't been particularly impressed by the promotional material for ME:A and this came across as too much of a fan's review to make a convincing argument why I should buy this title. I did read stuff on a few other sites and they made better arguments why I shouldn't buy it.

    The problem with the comments is that far too many people don't actually care about written reviews, they just want to check the score to get someone to reinforce their already established opinion.

    On HZD vs ME:A, what gaming need is more developers and publishers pushing new ideas into gaming instead of just playing it safe with established IP's. I know bioware is working on an original IP and I hope its good.
    I find this post deliciously ironic.

    The guy liked the game, so he must be a fan? Duh! ;)

    You're obviously looking to reinforce your already established opinion too.
    "Do you love Mass Effect series as much as I do?"
    "if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong."

    It never shies away from being made by someone biased about bioware and while it mentions it from the start it makes the review problematic. Defending criticism is a territory reviewers shouldn't move into. It doesn't speak enough about combat to know how it really feels, the text doesn't even mention that its a shooter.

    Its rare that I pre-order games and I generally rely on both critics and players to give me a second opinion on games.
    Ehm, so his opinion is invalid because he loved the previous Mass Effect games - or that he understands that Bioware games are focused on narrative and characters?

    You're not making even the slightest bit of sense.

    Seems to me he's the perfect candidate to review a new Bioware game.
    Did you read any reviews before making a purchase of the game or are you just here to defend your game?
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
    edited March 2017
    Shaigh said:
    DKLond said:
    Shaigh said:
    DKLond said:
    Shaigh said:
    I haven't been particularly impressed by the promotional material for ME:A and this came across as too much of a fan's review to make a convincing argument why I should buy this title. I did read stuff on a few other sites and they made better arguments why I shouldn't buy it.

    The problem with the comments is that far too many people don't actually care about written reviews, they just want to check the score to get someone to reinforce their already established opinion.

    On HZD vs ME:A, what gaming need is more developers and publishers pushing new ideas into gaming instead of just playing it safe with established IP's. I know bioware is working on an original IP and I hope its good.
    I find this post deliciously ironic.

    The guy liked the game, so he must be a fan? Duh! ;)

    You're obviously looking to reinforce your already established opinion too.
    "Do you love Mass Effect series as much as I do?"
    "if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong."

    It never shies away from being made by someone biased about bioware and while it mentions it from the start it makes the review problematic. Defending criticism is a territory reviewers shouldn't move into. It doesn't speak enough about combat to know how it really feels, the text doesn't even mention that its a shooter.

    Its rare that I pre-order games and I generally rely on both critics and players to give me a second opinion on games.
    Ehm, so his opinion is invalid because he loved the previous Mass Effect games - or that he understands that Bioware games are focused on narrative and characters?

    You're not making even the slightest bit of sense.

    Seems to me he's the perfect candidate to review a new Bioware game.
    Did you read any reviews before making a purchase of the game or are you just here to defend your game?
    Are you aware what that kind of question tells me about you and your capacity for being open-minded?

    It's almost like you're trying to prove you're much more biased than you're accusing the reviewer of being.

    Good job :)
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,469

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,837
    The reason this game came out the way it did is because people who made this game were given their jobs based on diversity and not merit. I can't get into specifics for obvious reasons but some  very inexperienced people were put on this project who had no business making a AAA title. Check out this article for the ultimate red pill http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/03/mass-effect-andromedas-racist-game-designer-no-longer-works-for-bioware/26431/



    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
    edited March 2017

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,750
    DKLond said:

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
    DKLond said:

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
    Jade Empire, really? That was a f-ing brilliant game and way better then all of ME tbh. Agreeing that the rest of those games wasn't all that good, but Jade Empire? Come on.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • KilraneKilrane Member UncommonPosts: 321
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,837
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    Lets just say i dont visit this site as much as i use too. 
    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,473
    lahnmir said:


    At least it is not console locked like Horizon Zero Dawn.  If you can't write your game for the PC, that just makes it second rate from the start.
    You know this statement is beyond ridiculous right? They've got an agreement to develop for Sony, it is not as if they are incapable to program for other another platform. I'd even go one step further and challenge you to find a developer that can create a game looking that advanced on a 250 dollar pc while maintaining that stability.

    You might be annoyed you are missing out on the game but if Guerilla games is one thing it is absolute technical wizards with what they create, 99% of developers should take note with how much they can push hardware far beyond what others are capable of..

    Ohh, and I don't care one bit for Horizon or the new Mass Effect in case you were wondering.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Still makes it a second rate game.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    There's no such thing as a "more honest review", as it's just opinions, you can certainly agree with one or the other more, yet it's still just that person's experience, a more positive experience doesn't mean it's not honest. 

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,750
    Ozmodan said:
    lahnmir said:


    At least it is not console locked like Horizon Zero Dawn.  If you can't write your game for the PC, that just makes it second rate from the start.
    You know this statement is beyond ridiculous right? They've got an agreement to develop for Sony, it is not as if they are incapable to program for other another platform. I'd even go one step further and challenge you to find a developer that can create a game looking that advanced on a 250 dollar pc while maintaining that stability.

    You might be annoyed you are missing out on the game but if Guerilla games is one thing it is absolute technical wizards with what they create, 99% of developers should take note with how much they can push hardware far beyond what others are capable of..

    Ohh, and I don't care one bit for Horizon or the new Mass Effect in case you were wondering.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Still makes it a second rate game.
    Ahh, you're one of those, cute.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,003
    Distopia said:
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    There's no such thing as a "more honest review", as it's just opinions, you can certainly agree with one or the other more, yet it's still just that person's experience, a more positive experience doesn't mean it's not honest. 
    I miss kevin van oord that used to review RPG on gamespot. While I usually didn't agree with his final scores he was really good at describing the game experience and letting people know the good and the bad of the game without feeling like he judged the game.
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 

    So their review is more honest because......?? The number is lower? 

    The primary gripe seems to be with the story. Something that detractors in this thread have re-iterate is overrated and "If you want a story then go read a book" 

    In fact! The two reviews are VERY similar, maybe with the exception of story, since this review says that the story is deep, with throwbacks to the trilogy, while the Gamespot one says it's a great story that is executed poorly.

    What I found interesting is that while the gamespot review says that "I also fell in love with the combat, especially later in the game. The core shooting mechanics feel stronger here than anywhere else in the series." he did also complain about the UI, something that was common between the two. HOWEVER, he then goes on to explain that " I ended up building, well...a space ninja, basically. I could use tech to cloak myself, biotics to charge enemies, a shield-buffing sword to deal damage, and the standard jumpjets to dart away again. The results were consistently frantic and fun, though there are plenty of other options as well." 

    What I find interesting is that it seems you're more focused on honesty in numbers than the reviews themselves. Although this review openly admits bias and that they are a fan of the series, their actual review very closely resembles that of the gamespot review. 

    Also, the deviation from the Metacritic rating is nearly identical between the two, depending on which medium you look at. If anything I would say that what we're looking at here is exactly what Metacritic serves to resolve. It's the same thing that has been done in figure skating and gymnastics and diving for years, you throw out the bottom and top scores and take an average of the rest. If you did that here I think that a game approaching the 80ish mark isn't unexpected. Also, it should be noted that 10 of the 11 reviews for PC were positive (75+), 23 out of the 36 reviews on PS4 were positive (over 75), and 14 of 20 XBONE reviews were positive. Oh! Did I mention, of all platforms, there was zero negative scores. Meanwhle, for user scores, there are like 200 user reviews across all platforms, 120 were negative, 12 were mixed and 70 were positive. That's not really what I would call objectivity. 

    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    Yeah it may be bad how people jump at the chance to attack Bioware now but what's worse are the people who jump even farther to defend them lol. What's even worse than that is trying to compare these *bugs* to that of Witcher 3 which came out how many years back now? I don't have a side because I honestly could care less about giving Bioware/EA any attention but to attack CD Project just shows how crappy the people at MMORPG have become. It's almost as sad as the idiots who verbally attacked the lady at Bioware over twitter about this game. Both sides have become just laughable in their idiocy.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,780
    CrazKanuk said:
    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    Oh my god, no... not that! Not multiple paragraphs :)

    I blame it on twitter... it has further reduced the already dwindling average attention span.

    All I know is that I'm having a blast and the game is BIG... almost too big. The number of NPCs you can have lengthy conversations with, the number of quests, the areas to explore... all are more than anything I've seen in any previous ME or DA game.

    And I can say in all honesty that 90% + of the time the facial animations are just fine. There is that one woman in Colony Administration with the dead face but I'm starting to suspect she's a closet android. She's very easy to dislike at any rate and her botox face just adds to that.

    After my initial 10 hour preview, I thought that maybe this score was about 1.0 higher than what I would have scored it. But after pulling an all nighter playing it (hey, I'm retired so sue me) the closer I'm drifting toward this 8.7.

    ME1-3 are very fresh in my mind since I replayed them all recently. This one is quickly becoming my favorite of the 4... and that's without getting into all the possible wacky build combinations you can now make. I'm playing it as a straight-up ranged biotic adept but I can see the potential for a lot of different builds that will add tons of replayability.

    I think they hit this one out of the park.
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,790
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.

    거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다












  • YumeTsukaiYumeTsukai Member UncommonPosts: 38
    CrazKanuk said:
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 

    So their review is more honest because......?? The number is lower? 

    The primary gripe seems to be with the story. Something that detractors in this thread have re-iterate is overrated and "If you want a story then go read a book" 

    In fact! The two reviews are VERY similar, maybe with the exception of story, since this review says that the story is deep, with throwbacks to the trilogy, while the Gamespot one says it's a great story that is executed poorly.

    What I found interesting is that while the gamespot review says that "I also fell in love with the combat, especially later in the game. The core shooting mechanics feel stronger here than anywhere else in the series." he did also complain about the UI, something that was common between the two. HOWEVER, he then goes on to explain that " I ended up building, well...a space ninja, basically. I could use tech to cloak myself, biotics to charge enemies, a shield-buffing sword to deal damage, and the standard jumpjets to dart away again. The results were consistently frantic and fun, though there are plenty of other options as well." 

    What I find interesting is that it seems you're more focused on honesty in numbers than the reviews themselves. Although this review openly admits bias and that they are a fan of the series, their actual review very closely resembles that of the gamespot review. 

    Also, the deviation from the Metacritic rating is nearly identical between the two, depending on which medium you look at. If anything I would say that what we're looking at here is exactly what Metacritic serves to resolve. It's the same thing that has been done in figure skating and gymnastics and diving for years, you throw out the bottom and top scores and take an average of the rest. If you did that here I think that a game approaching the 80ish mark isn't unexpected. Also, it should be noted that 10 of the 11 reviews for PC were positive (75+), 23 out of the 36 reviews on PS4 were positive (over 75), and 14 of 20 XBONE reviews were positive. Oh! Did I mention, of all platforms, there was zero negative scores. Meanwhle, for user scores, there are like 200 user reviews across all platforms, 120 were negative, 12 were mixed and 70 were positive. That's not really what I would call objectivity. 

    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Iselin said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    Oh my god, no... not that! Not multiple paragraphs :)

    I blame it on twitter... it has further reduced the already dwindling average attention span.



    That's as far as I got. I just assumed that you were agreeing with me and therefore totally agreed with you and now love you :) 

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,155
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,780
    laserit said:
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)
    Losing a couple of them in the last fight was not fun :(
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,155
    edited March 2017
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)
    Losing a couple of them in the last fight was not fun :(
    Garrus! No!!!!!!

    Thank god for re-load ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,829
    thunderC said:
    The reason this game came out the way it did is because people who made this game were given their jobs based on diversity and not merit. I can't get into specifics for obvious reasons but some  very inexperienced people were put on this project who had no business making a AAA title. Check out this article for the ultimate red pill http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/03/mass-effect-andromedas-racist-game-designer-no-longer-works-for-bioware/26431/



    Sadly, 'that' guy is now working on Destiny 2, i can only imagine the amount of damage he is going to do to that game.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,155
    CrazKanuk said:

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Well there is just no doubt these are digital reviews

    010101

    silly ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

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