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I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better - Mass Effect: Andromeda Review - MMORPG.com

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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    The reason this game came out the way it did is because people who made this game were given their jobs based on diversity and not merit. I can't get into specifics for obvious reasons but some  very inexperienced people were put on this project who had no business making a AAA title. Check out this article for the ultimate red pill http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/03/mass-effect-andromedas-racist-game-designer-no-longer-works-for-bioware/26431/



    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    edited March 2017

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,857
    DKLond said:

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
    DKLond said:

    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D



    It was their weakest game by far, maybe their fans expected more. Kinda like how I expected more out of Iron Fist, but all I got was Iron Drama.
    ME:A is miles ahead of Shattered Steel, MDK2, DA2 and Jade Empire, imo.
    Jade Empire, really? That was a f-ing brilliant game and way better then all of ME tbh. Agreeing that the rest of those games wasn't all that good, but Jade Empire? Come on.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • KilraneKilrane Member UncommonPosts: 322
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    Lets just say i dont visit this site as much as i use too. 
    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    lahnmir said:


    At least it is not console locked like Horizon Zero Dawn.  If you can't write your game for the PC, that just makes it second rate from the start.
    You know this statement is beyond ridiculous right? They've got an agreement to develop for Sony, it is not as if they are incapable to program for other another platform. I'd even go one step further and challenge you to find a developer that can create a game looking that advanced on a 250 dollar pc while maintaining that stability.

    You might be annoyed you are missing out on the game but if Guerilla games is one thing it is absolute technical wizards with what they create, 99% of developers should take note with how much they can push hardware far beyond what others are capable of..

    Ohh, and I don't care one bit for Horizon or the new Mass Effect in case you were wondering.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Still makes it a second rate game.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    There's no such thing as a "more honest review", as it's just opinions, you can certainly agree with one or the other more, yet it's still just that person's experience, a more positive experience doesn't mean it's not honest. 

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,857
    Ozmodan said:
    lahnmir said:


    At least it is not console locked like Horizon Zero Dawn.  If you can't write your game for the PC, that just makes it second rate from the start.
    You know this statement is beyond ridiculous right? They've got an agreement to develop for Sony, it is not as if they are incapable to program for other another platform. I'd even go one step further and challenge you to find a developer that can create a game looking that advanced on a 250 dollar pc while maintaining that stability.

    You might be annoyed you are missing out on the game but if Guerilla games is one thing it is absolute technical wizards with what they create, 99% of developers should take note with how much they can push hardware far beyond what others are capable of..

    Ohh, and I don't care one bit for Horizon or the new Mass Effect in case you were wondering.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Still makes it a second rate game.
    Ahh, you're one of those, cute.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,072
    Distopia said:
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 
    There's no such thing as a "more honest review", as it's just opinions, you can certainly agree with one or the other more, yet it's still just that person's experience, a more positive experience doesn't mean it's not honest. 
    I miss kevin van oord that used to review RPG on gamespot. While I usually didn't agree with his final scores he was really good at describing the game experience and letting people know the good and the bad of the game without feeling like he judged the game.
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 

    So their review is more honest because......?? The number is lower? 

    The primary gripe seems to be with the story. Something that detractors in this thread have re-iterate is overrated and "If you want a story then go read a book" 

    In fact! The two reviews are VERY similar, maybe with the exception of story, since this review says that the story is deep, with throwbacks to the trilogy, while the Gamespot one says it's a great story that is executed poorly.

    What I found interesting is that while the gamespot review says that "I also fell in love with the combat, especially later in the game. The core shooting mechanics feel stronger here than anywhere else in the series." he did also complain about the UI, something that was common between the two. HOWEVER, he then goes on to explain that " I ended up building, well...a space ninja, basically. I could use tech to cloak myself, biotics to charge enemies, a shield-buffing sword to deal damage, and the standard jumpjets to dart away again. The results were consistently frantic and fun, though there are plenty of other options as well." 

    What I find interesting is that it seems you're more focused on honesty in numbers than the reviews themselves. Although this review openly admits bias and that they are a fan of the series, their actual review very closely resembles that of the gamespot review. 

    Also, the deviation from the Metacritic rating is nearly identical between the two, depending on which medium you look at. If anything I would say that what we're looking at here is exactly what Metacritic serves to resolve. It's the same thing that has been done in figure skating and gymnastics and diving for years, you throw out the bottom and top scores and take an average of the rest. If you did that here I think that a game approaching the 80ish mark isn't unexpected. Also, it should be noted that 10 of the 11 reviews for PC were positive (75+), 23 out of the 36 reviews on PS4 were positive (over 75), and 14 of 20 XBONE reviews were positive. Oh! Did I mention, of all platforms, there was zero negative scores. Meanwhle, for user scores, there are like 200 user reviews across all platforms, 120 were negative, 12 were mixed and 70 were positive. That's not really what I would call objectivity. 

    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    Yeah it may be bad how people jump at the chance to attack Bioware now but what's worse are the people who jump even farther to defend them lol. What's even worse than that is trying to compare these *bugs* to that of Witcher 3 which came out how many years back now? I don't have a side because I honestly could care less about giving Bioware/EA any attention but to attack CD Project just shows how crappy the people at MMORPG have become. It's almost as sad as the idiots who verbally attacked the lady at Bioware over twitter about this game. Both sides have become just laughable in their idiocy.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,685
    CrazKanuk said:
    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    Oh my god, no... not that! Not multiple paragraphs :)

    I blame it on twitter... it has further reduced the already dwindling average attention span.

    All I know is that I'm having a blast and the game is BIG... almost too big. The number of NPCs you can have lengthy conversations with, the number of quests, the areas to explore... all are more than anything I've seen in any previous ME or DA game.

    And I can say in all honesty that 90% + of the time the facial animations are just fine. There is that one woman in Colony Administration with the dead face but I'm starting to suspect she's a closet android. She's very easy to dislike at any rate and her botox face just adds to that.

    After my initial 10 hour preview, I thought that maybe this score was about 1.0 higher than what I would have scored it. But after pulling an all nighter playing it (hey, I'm retired so sue me) the closer I'm drifting toward this 8.7.

    ME1-3 are very fresh in my mind since I replayed them all recently. This one is quickly becoming my favorite of the 4... and that's without getting into all the possible wacky build combinations you can now make. I'm playing it as a straight-up ranged biotic adept but I can see the potential for a lot of different builds that will add tons of replayability.

    I think they hit this one out of the park.
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,515
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.

    거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다












  • YumeTsukaiYumeTsukai Member UncommonPosts: 40
    CrazKanuk said:
    Kilrane said:
    Looks like GameSpot has the more honest review this time around.... 

    So their review is more honest because......?? The number is lower? 

    The primary gripe seems to be with the story. Something that detractors in this thread have re-iterate is overrated and "If you want a story then go read a book" 

    In fact! The two reviews are VERY similar, maybe with the exception of story, since this review says that the story is deep, with throwbacks to the trilogy, while the Gamespot one says it's a great story that is executed poorly.

    What I found interesting is that while the gamespot review says that "I also fell in love with the combat, especially later in the game. The core shooting mechanics feel stronger here than anywhere else in the series." he did also complain about the UI, something that was common between the two. HOWEVER, he then goes on to explain that " I ended up building, well...a space ninja, basically. I could use tech to cloak myself, biotics to charge enemies, a shield-buffing sword to deal damage, and the standard jumpjets to dart away again. The results were consistently frantic and fun, though there are plenty of other options as well." 

    What I find interesting is that it seems you're more focused on honesty in numbers than the reviews themselves. Although this review openly admits bias and that they are a fan of the series, their actual review very closely resembles that of the gamespot review. 

    Also, the deviation from the Metacritic rating is nearly identical between the two, depending on which medium you look at. If anything I would say that what we're looking at here is exactly what Metacritic serves to resolve. It's the same thing that has been done in figure skating and gymnastics and diving for years, you throw out the bottom and top scores and take an average of the rest. If you did that here I think that a game approaching the 80ish mark isn't unexpected. Also, it should be noted that 10 of the 11 reviews for PC were positive (75+), 23 out of the 36 reviews on PS4 were positive (over 75), and 14 of 20 XBONE reviews were positive. Oh! Did I mention, of all platforms, there was zero negative scores. Meanwhle, for user scores, there are like 200 user reviews across all platforms, 120 were negative, 12 were mixed and 70 were positive. That's not really what I would call objectivity. 

    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Iselin said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    So, unfortunately, in a society who HATES taking 5 minutes to read a review, you're being lied to by someone. You THINK you're being lied to by reviewers, and you are DEFINITELY being lied to by your peers. It's a no-win situation. You're going to have to read. 
    Oh my god, no... not that! Not multiple paragraphs :)

    I blame it on twitter... it has further reduced the already dwindling average attention span.



    That's as far as I got. I just assumed that you were agreeing with me and therefore totally agreed with you and now love you :) 

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,370
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,685
    laserit said:
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)
    Losing a couple of them in the last fight was not fun :(
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,370
    edited March 2017
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    After a few more hours into the game I stick to my 7.5 score. Good game just far from great. This one falls to 3rd behind 2 and 1 but better than 3.
    ME2 was and remains the best to me.
    #2 I got way too attached to my companions ;)
    Losing a couple of them in the last fight was not fun :(
    Garrus! No!!!!!!

    Thank god for re-load ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Crazkanuk

    ----------------
    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
    ----------------

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    thunderC said:
    The reason this game came out the way it did is because people who made this game were given their jobs based on diversity and not merit. I can't get into specifics for obvious reasons but some  very inexperienced people were put on this project who had no business making a AAA title. Check out this article for the ultimate red pill http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/03/mass-effect-andromedas-racist-game-designer-no-longer-works-for-bioware/26431/



    Sadly, 'that' guy is now working on Destiny 2, i can only imagine the amount of damage he is going to do to that game.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,370
    CrazKanuk said:

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Well there is just no doubt these are digital reviews

    010101

    silly ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017
    CrazKanuk said:

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


     it's only objective if it reinforces their own bias. If it doesn't it's paid for or a hit piece....IF it weren't for the ad revenue, reviewing would be pointless in this day and age. All most do anymore is bitch and moan about an arbitrary score, while ignoring 90% of what is said in the review. It's not just for positive reviews either. Look at all the rage against folks for panning the Iron Fist netflix show. 

    Very few seem to try and get to know a reviewer today, that's the only real way to know whether you can relate to their opinions about games or not. That takes time and reading though, it's much easier to just go into rage mode...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,685
    edited March 2017
    CrazKanuk said:

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Especially since we're talking about a game by a company that has drawn the ire of the ultra-conservatives for many years for being far ahead of the curve in ethnic and gender inclusion as well as same sex romance in their games.

    When it comes to politically motivated, orchestrated hate campaigns, they are the #1 target. Metacritic "user" reviews, and I highly doubt that many of those are even real users, 0 is the score of their credibility.

    Here's a typical one: "Reviewed" it on all 3 platforms with 0... busy guy playing it on all 3 :)

    http://www.metacritic.com/user/chaddaddy

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,954
    Iselin said:

    I think they hit this one out of the park.
    Well, high praise indeed. I'll buy it tonight. Thanks!
  • YumeTsukaiYumeTsukai Member UncommonPosts: 40
    edited March 2017
    CrazKanuk said:

    I wonder what user you have on Gamespot... probably could name a few :) At any rate, your "deviation" talk is exaggerated. Some of the so called "critics" on metacritic are so infamous (read *unknown*) that it's impossible to state that they are reviewing the game objectively (or anything for that matter) and in some cases are not just sponsored reviews.

    In the end, the user reviews will tell the truth. Still, I'd wish MMORPG would stick to MMORPGs instead of making biased reviews on RPGs. It's just not cool. Especially when you jump out to defend your biased review :)

    It's fucking hilarious that you bash the critics for a lack of objectivity and then say that the user reviews will tell the truth. Fuck me!! Ok, so for the PS4 version, 297 negative votes. 56 negative reviews in all. Of those, 31 out of 56 were 0/10, lol. OBJECTIVELY speaking these people are talking out of their asses. I would LOVE to see what 10/10 looks like for these people. of the 24 reviews on 148 positive votes, there were 7 10/10 reviews. Again, please, talk to me about how objective user reviews are. Please! :) 


    Dude. Haters tried to trash Zelda BOTW but they couldn't get it beneath 7.4 ... Can you realize the outcome of FANS actually trashing the game? Pretty sure there are more ME fans out there than haters.

    I agree with you that 0 and 10 grades are bad, it's something that Metacritic will never be able to fix in the current system. But when was the last time you have seen a AAA game of a popular franchise start so damn bad?

    There are user scores on 3 platforms - PC, PS4 and XONE - all of averages are bad (4 or under) with over 1000 ratings in total. After a few days or a week, when Europe gets the game as well we will see how those change.

    But if you look on Meta *user* scores for previous games:

    - ME1: 8.8
    -ME2: 8.6
    -ME3: 5.6

    To be honest, I consider ME3 to be worth more than 5.6... maybe a 7 or 8. But that rating that you see there indicates that devs might have screwed up features from the previous games and not only. And they did.

    Would you know that if for example you would only take into consideration the *89* score from "certified critics"?
    NO, you wouldn't.

    There will always be retards, haters and whatnots... but in the end if the game is as awesome as it claims to be - the majority will show it. Simple. (e.g. Witcher 3 Wild Hunt PC - 9.3 User score based on 11038 ratings)

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