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I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better - Mass Effect: Andromeda Review - MMORPG.com

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  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,391
    Aori said:
    deniter said:
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    And how about the case when "professional reviewers" rate a game very poorly and gamer population agree? That's right, it will never happen. Professionals always have to praise a game or they'll lose beta access, pre-launch testing and what not. Stating that a game is not very good is out of question.

    There's always about 50% chance gamers will agree with the professionals. :)
    This is not true at all.
    Most of the time it's true, and you know it.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    deniter said:
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    And how about the case when "professional reviewers" rate a game very poorly and gamer population agree? That's right, it will never happen. Professionals always have to praise a game or they'll lose beta access, pre-launch testing and what not. Stating that a game is not very good is out of question.

    There's always about 50% chance gamers will agree with the professionals. :)

    That's not true at all, lol. 

    Dude!! For realsies, it took me like less than a minute to source this. 
    http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/userscore

    I think it's probably more like a 20/60/20 rule, but there are definitely cases where critics have rated lower than the user. Also, this URL also shows games that critics were overly harsh with. These are just new releases, too. 

    The problem is how can you honestly remain objective by saying that a game is 0/10? I think that in the HISTORY of Gamespot there have been like 1 game that was 1/10. 

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,956
    how with these game breaking cons he can give it 8.7

    if you like story that much... go read book

    this game terrible
    Do you not find that particular statement a bit ironic with the forum handle RPGMASTERGAMER?
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    edited March 2017
    Unfortunately this is how review scores are judged now. For me they've been pretty much pointless, now even more so.


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  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,391
    CrazKanuk said:
    deniter said:
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    And how about the case when "professional reviewers" rate a game very poorly and gamer population agree? That's right, it will never happen. Professionals always have to praise a game or they'll lose beta access, pre-launch testing and what not. Stating that a game is not very good is out of question.

    There's always about 50% chance gamers will agree with the professionals. :)

    That's not true at all, lol. 

    Dude!! For realsies, it took me like less than a minute to source this. 
    http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/userscore

    I think it's probably more like a 20/60/20 rule, but there are definitely cases where critics have rated lower than the user. Also, this URL also shows games that critics were overly harsh with. These are just new releases, too. 

    The problem is how can you honestly remain objective by saying that a game is 0/10? I think that in the HISTORY of Gamespot there have been like 1 game that was 1/10. 
    I don't think any game that is for sale is 0/10 or even 1/10. If you refer to my previous post i've accepted many people give scores like 0 and 1 or 10 for very subjective reasons. But if there are lots and lots more people giving a zero than those who give 10 you can make some conclusions.

    There are some games the critics can review as they please, and some they can review as they have to. ME:A is one of the latter - Bioware and EA are names way too big to mess with.
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Sovrath said:
    how with these game breaking cons he can give it 8.7

    if you like story that much... go read book

    this game terrible
    Do you not find that particular statement a bit ironic with the forum handle RPGMASTERGAMER?
    They obviously play RPGs for the maths. =)

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    edited March 2017
    immodium said:
    Unfortunately this is how review scores are judged now. For me they've been pretty much pointless, now even more so.


    Many people only like stuff that is tearing other stuff down today, that's basically the way of things. They don't like objective grounded in what matters opinions, they like sensationalized flamboyance. That's why i shy away from reviews in general today, as the clicks and money are truly in pointing out what is wrong with everything. 

    The emotional Angry Joe's, The overtly exaggerated satirists, etc... That's how these folks make so much money off of what they do, they know the cynical hipster know it all attitude is prevalent so they exploit the hell out of it. 

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  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 719

    SBFord said:

    For those bitching about graphics, let's take a look at the Universal Game for Comparison, or UGC, The Witcher 3



    The irony runs deeps wouldn't you say? :D



    You are comparing normal gameplay to random glitches..... So yeah.... You can't compare those....

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    Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited March 2017
    Here's what you need to know about most gamers and AAA releases...

    There is only awesome or crap, there is nothing in between. That is what's fashionable.
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 719

    Reizla said:



    I think this review tells it all (at least for me). I'll wait for a $20 sale or 2nd hand copy for PS4 (which should not take too long...)



    Great review! More people should watch.

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    Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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  • FrammshammFrammshamm Member UncommonPosts: 322

    xelrah said:

    Now comes the point I’m surprised to having to address. The Internet’s biggest gripe with the game and the reason for petty witch-hunts: animation. Despite what you might have heard up to now, it is not that bad. Really. Occasionally, there might be a slightly weird facial expression or a stiff look another character gives you, but mostly it is people making a mountain out of molehill. In addition, let me be frank here: if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong.







    Except that things like this completely ruin any immersion. Just check that facial expression in dialogue at 38 second +



    I havent read a single article about this game. Bioware just doesnt hit my radar anymore. This article came up first on the MMORPG.com feed tho and the first thing i noticed was " OMFG, what is up with that chick's face" in the screenshot. The I scrolled down to the still of her holding a gun and thought .."geebus, is this what AA has come to"? I didnt read a word of the article and still dont know shit about the game. Then I clicked on this video... then I clicked on it again, and again and again. I think i got a solid 15 minutes straight of hard, gut-busting laughing. Thank you so much for those endorphins.
  • tixylixtixylix Member UncommonPosts: 1,288
    I watched this game for 10 hours on a Stream, it's complete crap, I dunno how you gave it 8.7
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    tixylix said:
    I watched this game for 10 hours on a Stream, it's complete crap, I dunno how you gave it 8.7
    You watched a game for 10hours but it's crap?  lol

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,602
    Distopia said:
    tixylix said:
    I watched this game for 10 hours on a Stream, it's complete crap, I dunno how you gave it 8.7
    You watched a game for 10hours but it's crap?  lol
    @Distopia my thoughts precisely.

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,486
    Distopia said:
    tixylix said:
    I watched this game for 10 hours on a Stream, it's complete crap, I dunno how you gave it 8.7
    You watched a game for 10hours but it's crap?  lol


    ;)

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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 6,468
    edited March 2017
    One hour and 30 minutes and all hell will break lose on the internet.

    I am so glad I didn't pre-order. The more gameplay videos I have seen today, the sicker I get in my stomach of what has become of the once fantastic ME franchise. :anguished:

    I thought that just the old lead writer had left, but apparently they have lost them all, replaced them by college students or something?

    And what happened to their senior animation artists? The more gameplay videos I see.... after ME 1, 2 and 3.... I just can't believe this is made by the same studio. :anguished:

    How the hell did this manage to get gold status and release in this state?
  • kalcakalca Member UncommonPosts: 43
    All i see is cry about graphical bugs but what about game itself.They changed game so much from first one that its hardly same game anymore.
  • sdeleon515sdeleon515 Member UncommonPosts: 151


    The animation thing is understandable - but why are we OK with Fallout 4 and Dragon Age's same issue and suddenly it's a problem with MEA?



    It might be alternative facts messing with my head but I remember it was a big gripe with Fallout 4; that the graphics were a huge complaint followed with the game physics being funky at times. Idk why ppl say "everyone was alright with Fallout 4" graphics in this day, because it was never the case.

    https://gamerant.com/bethesda-fallout-4-graphics-complaints-114/

    http://www.gamespresso.com/2015/06/were-not-really-complaining-about-fallout-4s-graphics-are-we/

    ...you know what just google it and yeah, it was ALWAYS A FRIGGIN WITH TONS OF PPL! Even with the Witcher when it released ppl were hoping for a better engine to be utilized. The biggest counter-argument was the whole "graphics vs game hours playable" argument that was honestly valid; Dragon's Age, Fallout and The Witcher went to the side of "we're not graphically beautiful but you get so much content and playtime than you would with any Ubisoft game really. I still think Andromeda is going to be a great game but I think the animation will hurt it for GoTY contender with Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda: Breath of the Wild being rare games where graphics, immersion strong storylines and development will make a case for themselves above Andromeda. I'll officially call it on Horizon because of its lack of lineage and history versus Zelda.
  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 918
    rensta said:

    Reizla said:



    I think this review tells it all (at least for me). I'll wait for a $20 sale or 2nd hand copy for PS4 (which should not take too long...)



    Great review! More people should watch.
    Certainly the best review I have seen yet.  I see a common thread in many reviews besides the graphics, it's the story and characters.  Just not as strong in this one.   My biggest fear was that they put to much focus on overhauling game play at the determent of something else and in this case I think it may be what bioware games are known for, characters and story.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,388
    edited March 2017
    The game is just fine. The only thing that shows itself sub-par is indeed the animations, especially within the faces, if they raise the quality bar on the rest of the game they should have noticed how this animation moments wouldn't just fly by.

    Something to play \o/

  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,827
    tixylix said:
    I watched this game for 10 hours on a Stream, it's complete crap, I dunno how you gave it 8.7
    rekt yourself. stop drinking and step away from the keyboard
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    I posted this in the other news thread for this game, but didn't see this till I already posted. But it fits here as well (and kinda better)...so here is a copy/paste from that

    The new mass effect is awesome, despite the hate. It has a lot of modern day advancements in it. You can be a dark skinned character, gay/lesbian etc. A lot of RPGs still haven't caught up with the time. Like Witcher 3 is the most racist game I ever played, but thats another topic. In any case, the new Mass Effect also...the story is awesome and such an awesome world(s) to explore. I'm super excited for release. I always loved the new Bioware when they advanced gaming with the new society of the western world.

     

    It does have voice acting (english only, other languages sound better) problems though and animations are like watching twilight zone. But I have to and will always support Bioware, if they don't go back to the dark ages of society.

     

    Other games that are really good if you don't want sci-fi is another Bioware game. Dark Ages Inquisition is amazing, and very beautiful too. If you like MMOs but hate the multiplayer aspect of MMOs, DA:I is perfect. It has amazing voice acting, and great animation. Character models not as good as the new mass effect though.


    Also, (as an addition to this post)...being able to drive on planets is awesome! I loved that in Mass Effect 1, I thought that was awesome. And Mass Effect Andromeda has an even better "world" to explore than even DA:I...so I'm super excited for the actual release :D Just to explore if anything else.

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited March 2017
    Celcius said:
    It is also pretty hilarious that there is actually someone trying to say MMORPG got paid for this review. Give me a break. You can't tell someone that they got paid for an opinion and then say THEY have to prove that they did not get paid after YOU accused them of it. That is not how the world works. That is essentially the same as walking in front of someone, punching yourself in the face, and then claiming that the person you walked in front of did it. Then telling them they have to prove that they did not do it.
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    To the point of the current discussion: no offense to any of the staff here at MMORPG.com (or any other review site, for that matter)...  But I always deduct 1.5-2 points from the average critic score to determine what I feel is the most accurate assessment of a product.

    I get that reviewers are in a precarious situation.  I don't fault them for doing the best with the situation, but I don't take their reviews in without considering that context, either.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,148

    Shelassa said:


    josko9 said:

    I have no idea why is there so much hate for Bioware, is it just because they are with EA now? Because honestly all of their games were great, no exceptions. Even the latest DA:Inqusition, which was heavily hated on the internet won quite a lot of GOTY awards.



    It seems to be quite fashionable to be hating on BioWare and Blizzard, among others. Any time the companies in question release a new update / DLC / expansion / game the cycle of hate starts anew. Sadly, unlike Reapers, it takes far less than 50,000 years to re-occur. 


    Iselin said:

    And yes, the facial animations and especially the eyes are occasionally off but it isn't the huge deal some are making it out to be.


    I agree with every word. I suppose I would have understood the huge hype people have over animations if previous BioWare games were known to have an amazing quality of them, and Andromeda was a huge let down in that department. But that obviously is not the case. 



    I think its because WestWood, actually made C&C Great Games, then EA took over, and EA made the new series of C&C complete crap I absolutely hated the new versions of C&C but I liked the Older Versions like the Original Red Alert 1, and 2 were okay, but after EA got it it started going down-hill...

    Bioware also makes the crappy decision to stick Denuvo DRM in their games which makes me only want to pirate their games, because I am not going to pay for anything sticking DRM onto my games which I legally purchased completely screwing over my ability to control my system, or remove the DRM completely after removing the game...

    This are the reasons why I can think people really are starting to hate Bioware, Oh and Dragon Age 2 and above flat out sucked, I liked the Original Dragon Age, but I didn't like Dragon Age 2, nor did I bother to buy Dragon Age Inquisition, because of the Denuvo DRM, but the game was great the Original that is every series after became the Generic Crap for a game waste of development funds, if they had made the Original Story better and added on to it properly it would have been great.
  • McGamerMcGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,072
    Don't settle for mediocrity like in ME:A. Bioware is obviously trying to just sell a rushed project based solely on the Mass Effect label like the Call of Duty franchise does.

    All this aside, I'm surprised this comment section hasn't been locked yet with all the swearing the staff has been posting, lol.
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