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I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better - Mass Effect: Andromeda Review - MMORPG.com

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  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,172
    Xarko said:
    "some awkward animations"

    I dont think Ive seen a single animation from this game's footage that wasnt awkward.
    Probably because the whole internet is staring fixedly at the 15mins of blooper footage culled from the first 7 hours of game play ? :D
    If only that was the case.
  • chelvaricchelvaric Member UncommonPosts: 40
    meh i played the 10 hours and i loved it i didn't realy see bad face annimations. sometimes the camera wasn't positioned good in the dialogue but that was the only thing bothering me. i liked the side story quests and the combad and i loved the main quest so far. the crafting is a bit of gathering but i don't have a problem with that i rather work for a good weapon; i found it a huge step up from da:i
  • LucienReneLucienRene Member UncommonPosts: 77
    @Shelassa My two cents. If other things in a game are exceeding one's expectations, one is more willing to overlook flaws/glitches/poor design. My conclusion is that ME:A fails in the category that it most needed to excel at, for a large chunk of its audience. Namely, compelling storytelling. At that point, awash in disappointment, people *will* become hyper-critical.

    It would seem that ME:A continues to work for you, so you continue to be forgiving.
  • PhaedruslivesPhaedruslives Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Honestly, I could overlook the animations if that were the games only problem. I've been a huge fan of Piranha-bytes all the way back to Gothic and even loved the Risen trilogy, and those are games that certainly lacking in terms of emotive facial expressions. But, what is more off putting is the hacky writing (Which all seems to indicate a desire to circle jerk onto a photo of their smarmy god, Joss Whedon) and overall ideology over at Bioware. Which thinks a diverse humanity means a lot of short frumpy beige people with large eyes and round faces. It seems to be a humanity free of the angular and squared features with the proportions of middle-school kids is somehow more conducive to the message? Less threatening, maybe?
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,927
    edited March 2017
    deniter said:

    I don't think the numbers lie. Lots and lots of people giving a game 0 or 1 indicates a problem in the game. The game may not be a zero or one objectively speaking, but for some reason many people haven't liked it. More often than not i've agreed with those people.

    Sometimes a game gets bad user reviews because of a bug that crashes the game, or some graphics issue on certain video cards, etc. Browsing through some red reviews usually reveals these soon, so yes, reading what people say is also necessary. :)
    It can mean that or it can mean that someone is just pissed.

    That's the problem, it's not uniform. One could use the argument that a 0 or 1 means "unhappy customer". However, if you have some people who are completely writing the game off for one particular thing and then making that rating and then some people noting the same issue but noting other good things and say, rate it a 5 then that's not really using the same criteria for rating.

    So let's take an example. This is a 0 for skyrim:

    No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods. No more paid mods.

    Doesn't say anything about the game just that they are angry about "paid mods".

    Here's one that is a 10


    Summery in a few words - "The BEST Elder Scrolls to date". Even those who loved Morrowind and liked Oblivion will LOVE this one.

    It's good that they like it but it doesn't really say much about the game and I'm pretty sure that there are die hard Morrowind fans who would like Skyrim burned and the ground salted so that nothing ever grows there.

    So the numbers aren't really reliable. Just what they say. that should be the thing.


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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,029
    Some of you are ridiculous. You must live in a small bubble that always echos your opinion and the idea of a difference of opinion confounds you. You don't have to agree with a review. But to call it paid for is just you trying to fit your narrative. But im sure if it was a game you enjoyed you'do be perfectly ok with the score.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,148
    Yeah you got "Denuvo" on your system with the game );

    Honestly I don't care how good people think "Mass Effect 4 Is" Doing something like including Denuvo DRM, which is malicious based off most games "Terms OF Service" and the Devuo company failing to contact me back on removal process of everything, plus companies refusing to change the "Terms OF Service" on Denuvo to reflect how to fully remove it...

    I say don't buy the game, its the only way they are going to stop putting this shitty DRM in games, and I would leave this game the most negative review of 0 simply for including this and making the game unplayable.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Renoaku said:
    ...

    I say don't buy the game, its the only way they are going to stop putting this shitty DRM in games, and I would leave this game the most negative review of 0 simply for including this and making the game unplayable.
    Don't worry, the days of DRM will soon be over.

    Internet access is almost universal in the NA/EU market by now, DRM will be replaced with "always-on" internet connections and player accounts, requiring you to be online for the game to work.

    The "final solution" for piracy is almost here... :lol:
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,733
    edited March 2017
    Having played through the trial I don't think the facial animations are any worse then the previous Mass Effect games. They obviously pale in comparison to some recent games, but I don't really care about that. The videos on the internet pointing them out are generally condensing a few minutes of bad animations into a 5 minute video, without context. Sometimes they are looped or cut in strange ways as well. I don't think it is nearly as bad as people claim it is.

    The game is fantastic to me though. I really enjoy it. I think the only problem that Mass Effect faces is that it has to live up to the collective force of the original trilogy. That is just not possible. Go into it without this expectation and you will have a good time. It is also pretty hilarious that there is actually someone trying to say MMORPG got paid for this review. Give me a break. You can't tell someone that they got paid for an opinion and then say THEY have to prove that they did not get paid after YOU accused them of it. That is not how the world works. That is essentially the same as walking in front of someone, punching yourself in the face, and then claiming that the person you walked in front of did it. Then telling them they have to prove that they did not do it.
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297

    xelrah said:

    Now comes the point I’m surprised to having to address. The Internet’s biggest gripe with the game and the reason for petty witch-hunts: animation. Despite what you might have heard up to now, it is not that bad. Really. Occasionally, there might be a slightly weird facial expression or a stiff look another character gives you, but mostly it is people making a mountain out of molehill. In addition, let me be frank here: if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong.







    Except that things like this completely ruin any immersion. Just check that facial expression in dialogue at 38 second +



    4 minutes of gameplay out of the 50+ hours...

    You've proven your point................
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,602
    I'm interested in the game, or at least I was until reviews started saying it's DAI as a Mass Effect game. Now I'm not so sure. I liked the first 3 ME's well enough.

    I was really annoyed by most of the side quests in DAI. They just felt like thoroughly uninteresting filler, to me. Meanwhile, the main campaign was short. Mounts were horrible and pointless... the list goes on...

    Then I got Witcher 3 on sale and it blew me away. It was everything DAI should have been. The "side quests", aka Witcher contracts were as good, and sometimes better than the main story. The DLC was top notch.

    Anybody have an opinion as to what the similarities are between DAI and MEA?

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 8,017
    I remember the odd way by Mass Effect 3 Shepard would occasionally face a completely different direction from the person  she was talking to in dialogue and it happened a few times. It was off putting for sure but I still liked the game a lot. So if in a game that is lasting many hours have these odd animations that occur over the course of a long game and if the game is good I am prepared to overlook all this and have no problems buying and playing this game.
    Chamber of Chains
  • Jimmy562Jimmy562 Member UncommonPosts: 1,158

    xelrah said:

    Now comes the point I’m surprised to having to address. The Internet’s biggest gripe with the game and the reason for petty witch-hunts: animation. Despite what you might have heard up to now, it is not that bad. Really. Occasionally, there might be a slightly weird facial expression or a stiff look another character gives you, but mostly it is people making a mountain out of molehill. In addition, let me be frank here: if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong.







    Except that things like this completely ruin any immersion. Just check that facial expression in dialogue at 38 second +



    I've only ever seen these issues with the default Sara face. My custom male Ryder had 0 dodgy facial expressions in the trial.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,148
    Renoaku said:
    ...

    I say don't buy the game, its the only way they are going to stop putting this shitty DRM in games, and I would leave this game the most negative review of 0 simply for including this and making the game unplayable.
    Don't worry, the days of DRM will soon be over.

    Internet access is almost universal in the NA/EU market by now, DRM will be replaced with "always-on" internet connections and player accounts, requiring you to be online for the game to work.

    The "final solution" for piracy is almost here... :lol:
    Yeah I have no problem with this in fact "Ghost Recon Wildlands" did not need Denuvo, because its a Multiplayer game, but they put it there anyways so I didn't buy it...

    I also took the Liberty of sending some Emails over to all of Bioware's Email Addresses I could find telling them how disgusted I am, and even got a post removed by a polite Reddit Moderator for saying I would rather play a pirated Edition of the game rather than buy the game which has Denuvo I would just rather play it without having to put Denuvo on my system, and I got no problem paying for the game with over 200 steam games purchased, and previous Mass Effect Series.

    And yes Internet Connection always on is a great thing I think, at least I have good Hardware & Software Fire Wall the let me decline Internet Access, and setup what connects or sends information over the internet and can see where it going I try to keep my PC Clean, and everything secure which is why I can't play games using Denuvo and have them messing with my system in any way will be a great thing to have always on Internet I think its like the future especially seeing AT&T install all thse Optical Filters around here.
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,733
    Renoaku said:
    Renoaku said:

    I also took the Liberty of sending some Emails over to all of Bioware's Email Addresses I could find telling them how disgusted I am, and even got a post removed by a polite Reddit Moderator for saying I would rather play a pirated Edition of the game rather than buy the game which has Denuvo I would just rather play it without having to put Denuvo on my system, and I got no problem paying for the game with over 200 steam games purchased, and previous Mass Effect Series.


    Piracy is still piracy no matter how you justify it. That is like saying you will only ever steal jackets that have pockets in them because you refuse to buy jackets with pockets in them. 
  • OntblodOntblod Member UncommonPosts: 194
    Horizon Dawn wipes the floor with this game.
    I agree with that. Zelda too. But MEA is still fun, especially if you liked DAI or are an ME fan in general. It's rough around the edge, but I tend to lump BioWare in with Bethesda - companies who make great, deep, expansive RPGs that always need a lot more QA time.
    DAI started out interesting but failed the rest on. It became uninspiring and the story got
    hidden in boring grind, questionable gameplay with war table, perks and points for moving on
    to new territories only to repeat the grind by setting up camps. Good on paper
    and could have become something great, instead its game design just made it dull,
    well atleast for me.  Its pretty clear Witcher 3 has become a yardstick for future RPG´s
    and they have raised the bar so high that it shows the weakness of others.


  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 919
    I really disliked what they did with DAI and I don't like what they have one with MEA. Although the facial animations are really odd to say the least, that isn't what my biggest concern. It appears that they put more focus on combat and less on other areas.

    -CC is abysmal and worst of the series by far.
    -The writing at times makes me think that it's aimed at a Nickelodeon audience.
    -Scanning..If that doesn't scream DAI in space, I don't know what does. I hated that mechanic there and it's back, worse than ever. I know there was scanning in previous ME games, but not this extent.
    -Squad-mates seem to be nothing more than meat shields now. You can tell them where to go and who to shoot and that is it. Even then, they pretty much do what they want from my limited experience. No deep customization anymore for them. Pointless really unless you want to bring them along to listen to their cringe worthy one-liners. We can swap profiles on the fly, but you can change your companions guns. Makes all that crafting pointless to just do it for yourself.
    -The profile system is concerning as well. I haven't got enough time with it yet to know how it will work in the end, but it appears to me that it will simply replace one limitation for another.
    -KB/M is better in this than in DAI, but still awkward and clunky. Feels a bit smoother with a controller, but physical limitations prevent me from using one for more than 15 -30 min at a time.

    I'm not enjoying what I have seen so far. Might have to give this one a pass. Haven't really decided yet.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • VowOfSilenceVowOfSilence Member UncommonPosts: 565
    edited March 2017
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    You find that funny?

    You know, i thought the point of reviews was to give people an idea if they're gonna like a game or not. So if a whole lot of people buy a game based on good reviews and then don't like it, of course they're gonna be pissed. Naturally, that's not as much of an issue with negative reviews, because nobody feels like they were misled and wasted their money.

    But that's not even the issue here, because the general consensus among professional reviewers is that ME:A is kinda "meh". You've given ME:A the highest score of any well-known site out there (yes, even IGN rated it 77). You wanna write an article about how you personally like a game despite all it's flaws? Great, write an opinion piece, or at least do a double review or something. But don't officially recommend a game to your readers based on personal preference, and then act surprised if your readers have a problem with that.

    Hype train -> Reality

  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    how with these game breaking cons he can give it 8.7

    if you like story that much... go read book

    this game terrible
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    edited March 2017
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    Well, unless you're Jim Sterling. He gave the new Zelda game a 7/10, he thought it was good. Didn't stop a small number of rabid fans getting annoyed and DDoS his site for not giving it a 10.

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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,029
    edited March 2017
    how with these game breaking cons he can give it 8.7

    if you like story that much... go read book

    this game terrible
    What game breaking cons? I played 10 hours and literally the only thing I ever saw was a few facial animations that were awkward.  The rest of the game ran flawlessly.  I'm guessing you haven't even played a single minute of it.  Going off hearsay doesn't give your case any credibility. 

    You should probably change your forum name if you don't  understand why the story in an RPG is important.  No RPGMASTERGAMER would say something that foolish.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,927
    edited March 2017

    You find that funny?


    Not funny "har har" funny as in peculiar or ridiculous.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    how with these game breaking cons he can give it 8.7

    if you like story that much... go read book

    this game terrible

    Simply put, because you don't rate a game using one metric. How is it that we can play something like Stardew Valley and love it, yet these animations are game-breaking? 

    You have a number of performance indicators when you write a review and that one indicator, say graphics, will take some kind of hit based on something like animations. However, when you're reviewing something objectively, it doesn't mean that a few poor animations or a bad UI are game-breaking issues. 

    Honestly, I think it's actually hilarious that you would say something like "if you like story that much.... go read a book." Lol. It's sad that someone would actually make this comment being that Mass Effect is known for deep stories. In fact, people essentially lost their minds with the ME3 ending. 

    Anyway, the point is that these issues aren't game-breaking. Game-breaking issues would be something like intermittent and continuous crashes. I can't comment on the entirety of the game, nor can you, but it should be interesting to see how problematic these things are in the wild. 

    BTW, the PC version is hovering around 8/10 right now, so maybe you should suspend your disbelief and read a couple other reviews to understand why they enjoyed it. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,391
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    And how about the case when "professional reviewers" rate a game very poorly and gamer population agree? That's right, it will never happen. Professionals always have to praise a game or they'll lose beta access, pre-launch testing and what not. Stating that a game is not very good is out of question.

    There's always about 50% chance gamers will agree with the professionals. :)
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,185
    deniter said:
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    And how about the case when "professional reviewers" rate a game very poorly and gamer population agree? That's right, it will never happen. Professionals always have to praise a game or they'll lose beta access, pre-launch testing and what not. Stating that a game is not very good is out of question.

    There's always about 50% chance gamers will agree with the professionals. :)
    This is not true at all.
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