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I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better - Mass Effect: Andromeda Review - MMORPG.com

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  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,100
    I really dislike reviews that spend time debating criticism of a game. Your are supposed to talk about the game instead of being a fan that defends your game.
    Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    Bad facial animation is not a minor problem in an RPG that does almost everything through dialogue. You can't have a serious conversation with an NPC that acts like a bad Gary's Mod meme.



    Trying to distract from an amateurish animation by pointing to a fake controversy from SJW blogs was just cringe worthy and I felt embarrassed for you.


  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,973
    I always thought the graphics were meant to be strong points of the game. Both of them would even have pauses build into the games for the players to just stop and take in the scenery they had created. Graphics were often a key point in the story telling.

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,973

    Elminzter said:


    SBFord said:

    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D


    its actually simple, professional reviewers get paid, whilst games paid for the privilage to play these games and what we have seen most professional reviews are questionable as it tend to ignore the basic most gamers look for.

    in this case there's so many glaring cons how can it even get a good or ok review???

    my 2 cents



    I just watched ACG's buy wait or sale review. He recommends wait for a sale and he's pretty honest about his feelings in his reviews.

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:
  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    Hmm how come they always end up massively overhype and overrate all EA products.... lol just a coincidence
  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496


    It's not that I think it's fashionable to be negative towards Bioware or Blizzard. I am an unsatisfied customer with Blizzard (WoW) and Bioware (SWToR). I personally dislike design changes (nerfs) those companies have done in both of those games. It makes me actively root against them and skeptical of anything they produce (MEA, Overwatch). I won't support them by purchasing their products.



    Do you remember SWTOR review on mmorpg.com at release?
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! 

    I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,438
    I wish this game was being released on Steam. I like looking at the player reviews.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,973
    Actually, it is me.  Games haven't really changed over the years, none were perfect, most were and are a mix that slant towards good or bad depending on what you want in a game.  I've pre-ordered all the previous ME games and even though I cringe when I think of all the mining I had to do in ME 1 and some of the problems the series had I still think of it as money well spent.  

    So this game didn't come across as a hit out of the park, and because of the backlog of games I have and have yet to play or finish and really want to, I decided to give it a pass for now and play it after it's been out for awhile and gets patched up and I've had time to catch up on my gaming backlog.  If you did get it, enjoy!  :-)

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Hmm how come they always end up massively overhype and overrate all EA products.... lol just a coincidence
    No the real question is why if EA's name is attached do folks feel opinions can't be positive? As well as if they are positive, it must have been paid for? We see the same nonsense anytime they release a game. Another question is, why do the same people typically only call the more negative reviews "honest opinions"? As if fans of a property/game are illegitimate? 

    I'm not even a fan of most of Bioware's work post KOTOR, yet I see most of these negative Nancy's as just that, folks who can't help but jump on a hate bandwagon aimed at anything and everything EA... Most of which swear they don't buy their products, yet then act as though they know the strengths and weaknesses of any given product they put out.. "but I watched a video" give me an effin break....





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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    ... 

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Unfortunately, the blame there belongs to Metacritic, not the users.

    They can very easily show a "normalised" rating with all the outliers trimmed, but they choose not to.

    Why ?

    They will be accused of attempting to "manipulate" review scores...
    Or of being paid lackeys of the game companies...
    Or of suppressing free speech...

    Besides, they'll also lose those all-important page hits from the ultra fanboyz and the rabid haterz... :lol:
  • koboldfodderkoboldfodder Member UncommonPosts: 447
    The facial animations and bizarre character animations ARE a major problem.  This is Bioware, not Bethesda.  Those games can  be modded.  Vanilla Skyrim is pathetic compared to fully modded Skyrim. 

    Bioware has a certain standard, and it's a pretty high standard.  Maybe not the highest standard, but it is certainly up there.  Every time I play a Bioware game, I know I am going to get top notch voices and an excellent story.  I never really looked at the animations or facial expressions before in any Bioware game.  I guess I never had any problem with them.  When I played Morrowind, the first thing I noticed were the bizarre character movements, and in Oblivion it was the awful facial animations.  But that is a Bethesda thing, always has been always will be.

    But for Bioware?  This wasn't an issue in ME1 or ME2....why should it be an issue in ME A?  Did they lose a bunch of talented programmers?  That could very well have happened, so they hired inferior people. 

    Any way you look at it, it's a big black mark on Bioware.

    And as a side note, the stock female Ryder character face is one of the most unappealing, ugly creations ever to happen on a monitor.  And here is the thing.  I do not think they were trying to make a butch female character...my god, those eyebrows. 

    I simply cannot believe that at some point in a Bioware office, they gathered around a big table and not one single person raised their hand and said "Uh, are we really going with this Ryder?  Is this the road we want to travel down?"  And I cannot believe that when it was time to go gold, those same people watched the same buggy, bad animations/facial expressions and said "Yup, this IS a Bioware product and we are proud of it?.

    Not a chance.  This isn't the Bioware I remember.
  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,391
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! 

    I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Well, i've used metacritics as a guideline for some time now. I ignore all reviews from critics side, they write the same for every game. What i want to see is how long is the green bar compared to red one under the user reviews. That's all i need to know and that has worked for me a long time.

    If i'm still in doubt, i read a few reviews in yellow section. The most objective ones can usually be found there. I don't know if i could buy any game these days if i didn't know how other gamers liked it. Prices have gone up while quality varies. Some games are next to unplayable at launch but they still charge you a full price.
  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,850
    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:
    Huge!
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    ... 

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Unfortunately, the blame there belongs to Metacritic, not the users.

    They can very easily show a "normalised" rating with all the outliers trimmed, but they choose not to.

    Why ?

    They will be accused of attempting to "manipulate" review scores...
    Or of being paid lackeys of the game companies...
    Or of suppressing free speech...

    Besides, they'll also lose those all-important page hits from the ultra fanboyz and the rabid haterz... :lol:

    I vote for a system similar to metacritic, but also where people can rate your rating and if you have too many people voting that you're completely useless, you get banned from the island. Also, if someone finds your review of a review useless then that also counts towards their rating. I wonder how long it would take for the entire Internet to be banned from that site? Lol.

    Crazkanuk

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    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    The animations are not that big of a deal to me, I play ME more for the story.  That said, I will be holding off until summer before deciding to buy it.  Partly because of school and partly due to reports of bugs and lack of content at initial release.

    I am trying hard to no longer buy games at launch or pre-order.  Soooo much disappointment over the last few years.
    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,172
    "some awkward animations"

    I dont think Ive seen a single animation from this game's footage that wasnt awkward.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    deniter said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! 

    I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Well, i've used metacritics as a guideline for some time now. I ignore all reviews from critics side, they write the same for every game. What i want to see is how long is the green bar compared to red one under the user reviews. That's all i need to know and that has worked for me a long time.

    If i'm still in doubt, i read a few reviews in yellow section. The most objective ones can usually be found there. I don't know if i could buy any game these days if i didn't know how other gamers liked it. Prices have gone up while quality varies. Some games are next to unplayable at launch but they still charge you a full price.

    I agree, and I do rely on metacritic a lot to make purchase decisions, but I go about it much the same way as you when it comes to user reviews. However, the objectivity seems directly proportionate to the polarity of the company. Diablo 3 is a prime example. Critics have it at an average of 8.8 and users rate it at a 4.0. No Man's Sky gets a 7.1 from critics and a 4.5 from users.

    I'm not saying that the SYSTEM is a bad idea, but if we're pointing out warts of systems, between critics and users, I think that there is probably less objectivity from critics than there is from users, unless you go and search out users that seem to specifically identify with your personal likes and dislikes. 

    Again, I'm not saying user reviews are a bad idea. I think they are much more ideal. However, the Internet has a habit of taking a fantastic idea and breaking it horribly. That's my contention. 

    Crazkanuk

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    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Overhyped unfortunate, but par for the course today? Another game I'm glad I did not purchase
  • ZuljanZuljan Member UncommonPosts: 123
    edited March 2017
    When you see the Editor running around battling/enabling the naysayers, even swearing in some of the comments lol....
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,927
    deniter said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! 

    I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Well, i've used metacritics as a guideline for some time now. I ignore all reviews from critics side, they write the same for every game. What i want to see is how long is the green bar compared to red one under the user reviews. That's all i need to know and that has worked for me a long time.

    If i'm still in doubt, i read a few reviews in yellow section. The most objective ones can usually be found there. I don't know if i could buy any game these days if i didn't know how other gamers liked it. Prices have gone up while quality varies. Some games are next to unplayable at launch but they still charge you a full price.
    Yeah, but the user reviews are also unreliable when it comes to numbers. You have people filled with hate for "whatever reasons" giving games a 1 and then people who think that is unjust so they give the games a 10 to make up for it.

    It's better not to look at numbers and just read what people are saying and see if they inform you based on your preferences.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Xarko said:
    "some awkward animations"

    I dont think Ive seen a single animation from this game's footage that wasnt awkward.
    Probably because the whole internet is staring fixedly at the 15mins of blooper footage culled from the first 7 hours of game play ? :D
  • OntblodOntblod Member UncommonPosts: 194
    Xarko said:
    "some awkward animations"

    I dont think Ive seen a single animation from this game's footage that wasnt awkward.
    Probably because the whole internet is staring fixedly at the 15mins of blooper footage culled from the first 7 hours of game play ? :D
    Hmm, well I just checked some gameplay from u-tube and that "pingu-effect" when people are
    speaking is just plain wierd. There is also something wrong with their eyes, particular on humans.
    Something feels off in general and when people say its like "Inquisition in space" I know this
    is one RPG Im not going to buy....sadly, I was hyped before, glad I didnt pre-ordered this.
     
  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,391
    Sovrath said:
    deniter said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.

    But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.

    The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake... :lol:

    COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! 

    I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?

    As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool. 
    Well, i've used metacritics as a guideline for some time now. I ignore all reviews from critics side, they write the same for every game. What i want to see is how long is the green bar compared to red one under the user reviews. That's all i need to know and that has worked for me a long time.

    If i'm still in doubt, i read a few reviews in yellow section. The most objective ones can usually be found there. I don't know if i could buy any game these days if i didn't know how other gamers liked it. Prices have gone up while quality varies. Some games are next to unplayable at launch but they still charge you a full price.
    Yeah, but the user reviews are also unreliable when it comes to numbers. You have people filled with hate for "whatever reasons" giving games a 1 and then people who think that is unjust so they give the games a 10 to make up for it.

    It's better not to look at numbers and just read what people are saying and see if they inform you based on your preferences.
    I don't think the numbers lie. Lots and lots of people giving a game 0 or 1 indicates a problem in the game. The game may not be a zero or one objectively speaking, but for some reason many people haven't liked it. More often than not i've agreed with those people.

    Sometimes a game gets bad user reviews because of a bug that crashes the game, or some graphics issue on certain video cards, etc. Browsing through some red reviews usually reveals these soon, so yes, reading what people say is also necessary. :)
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