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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Dragnelus said:

    Soooo they're saying something is more complicated than the Internet has made it out to be?


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,911
    Dragnelus said:
    I still say (like I said when I previewed it for just 7 hours) that most of the uncanny valley stuff is related to the eyes. Eyes to me seem to move around a lot more than what is common for cut scenes. It is more realistic that way but also one hell of a lot harder to pull off properly.
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  • xpsyncxpsync Member UncommonPosts: 609
    "I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better"
    I love this line, LOVE IT! I use it to tell others what i think when they want to know about the game.

    I WANTED MASS EFFECT 4 BUT GOT SOMETHING BETTER

    It's perfect.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    xpsync said:
    "I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better"
    I love this line, LOVE IT! I use it to tell others what i think when they want to know about the game.

    I WANTED MASS EFFECT 4 BUT GOT SOMETHING BETTER

    It's perfect.
    Was it the new Zelda game ? :o
  • xpsyncxpsync Member UncommonPosts: 609
    edited March 2017
    Dragnelus said:

    The animation thing is pretty bad, like downright terrible, kinda of ridiculous tbh, as in absolutely ridiculous that it's even a topic of conversation ffs. I'm happy i don't really notice what the F' those people are going on about, but then again i don't obsessively laser focus on someones mouth when they speak either.
    Dunno? I really don't notice, probably too busy enjoying the game to go all OCD on some avatars lips.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 544
    xpsync said:
    Dragnelus said:

    The animation thing is pretty bad, like downright terrible, kinda of ridiculous tbh, as in absolutely ridiculous that it's even a topic of conversation ffs. I'm happy i don't really notice what the F' those people are going on about, but then again i don't obsessively laser focus on someones mouth when they speak either.
    Dunno? I really don't notice, probably too busy enjoying the game to go all OCD on some avatars lips.
    Or it could be that you just have low awareness. ;)



  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    CrazKanuk said:
    Dragnelus said:

    Soooo they're saying something is more complicated than the Internet has made it out to be?


    He compares it to Uncharted?  Compare it to other open world action rpgs



  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    edited March 2017
    xpsync said:
    Dragnelus said:

    The animation thing is pretty bad, like downright terrible, kinda of ridiculous tbh, as in absolutely ridiculous that it's even a topic of conversation ffs. I'm happy i don't really notice what the F' those people are going on about, but then again i don't obsessively laser focus on someones mouth when they speak either.
    Dunno? I really don't notice, probably too busy enjoying the game to go all OCD on some avatars lips.
    Or it could be that you just have low awareness. ;)



    Or maybe *Gasp* he just is enjoying his time in game and the minor issues don't effect his overall enjoyment. [mod edit]
    Post edited by Vaross on
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 544
    edited March 2017
    xpsync said:
    Dragnelus said:

    The animation thing is pretty bad, like downright terrible, kinda of ridiculous tbh, as in absolutely ridiculous that it's even a topic of conversation ffs. I'm happy i don't really notice what the F' those people are going on about, but then again i don't obsessively laser focus on someones mouth when they speak either.
    Dunno? I really don't notice, probably too busy enjoying the game to go all OCD on some avatars lips.
    Or it could be that you just have low awareness. ;)



    Or maybe *Gasp* he just is enjoying his time in game and the minor issues don't effect his overall enjoyment.  [mod edit]
    You are way too high strung, my dude. Even the person I responded to caught that it was a lighthearted joke.

    That said, there are very real differences in human perception and they explain why some people don't notice the animations and others can't help but notice them.

    My brother will watch videos with the popup blocker bar across the top and the mouse cursor sitting in the dead center of the screen. He's one of the most oblivious people I've ever met.

    I'm on the extreme opposite end where I can't help but notice things that are out of place. I see things that normal people can't like the blood cells moving through my eye. The poor animation in Andromeda is a very real obstacle to my enjoyment of the game.
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  • VowOfSilenceVowOfSilence Member UncommonPosts: 565
    CrazKanuk said:
    Dragnelus said:

    Soooo they're saying something is more complicated than the Internet has made it out to be?


    PLOT TWIST:
    The guy hasn't worked for Bioware in years & his explanations are just bad.

    Hype train -> Reality

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017
    CrazKanuk said:
    Dragnelus said:

    Soooo they're saying something is more complicated than the Internet has made it out to be?


    PLOT TWIST:
    The guy hasn't worked for Bioware in years & his explanations are just bad.
    WHat his explanation was was simple. It's as layman as one could get, he is right that RPGs typically are a case of quantity over quality in many respects. There are exceptions, yet even in those exceptions there are plenty of issues brought on by the very nature of the genre. 

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  • tharkthark Member UncommonPosts: 1,188
    I have now played Mass Effect Andromeda for a good chunk of 15-20 Hours or so, and yes I have noticed the "stale" Eyes that certain individuals have, but ...lol SO. This is just redicoulous hate on Another Bioware masterpiece. Sometimes we are treated with other gems, like the Witcher 3 , were Close to Everything is perfect, I thought they overdid the redicoulous hunt for ? in that game however, It's abit redicoulous and thing that makes W3 bad in my book, but to some people this is a good thing. ME: A is also "nearly" perfect , albeit some stiff human faces, all the ALIENS look fantastic in the game, and I managed to create a fantastic looking main characther with the creator. right now everyone compares this game to a much beloved game on PS4 Horizon and The Nintendo Switch Zelda, good for these game companies they managed to get Everything right, but I still love ME:A and I will not buy a PS4 or a N:Switch ..So I will have to pass on these games and enjoy my time in Another Bioware Classic..
  • sdeleon515sdeleon515 Member UncommonPosts: 151

    Shelassa said:


    Instead of dealing with the actual and reasonable criticisms levied by not just fanboys and angry gamers, but many, many critics, you attack the individuals behind those criticisms. Good show. Makes you look entirely reasonable and professional.



    We speak of different things. Reasonable criticism of any sort is entirely okay, just like, for example, your message. I respect your opinion. 

    What I spoke of, however, was people going out of their way to harass a person who did not have anything to do with the reason they were angry in the first place. That is not "just an opinion". That is not "reasonable criticism". That is hate, unfounded and petty. 



    A bit late of the reply and I've read enough of the material to actually feel like I need to warrant some points that the community portion of developers, professionals and reviewers really are divided from as far as the playerbase and I think its this divide that really makes the whole case become a problem that creates and leads to a bigger problem.

    Granted a bit of a late reply (I got back from vacation okay..so yeah not doing this on the phone then) but these are my opinion of the whole debate on what you've mentioned about the attack on the lady:
    1- There was never an acknowledgement about the fact that sh-t travels upward and not downward EVER! Yes I know it takes a lot of ppl to make a game and develop it but she was hardly alone in being blamed for one aspect of the game as far as history is concerned; she has Luke Smith from Bungie on Destiny and Hiromichi Tanaka for the first release of FF14 proceeding her in terms of "their fault". I could even apply it politically and say how ppl are blaming Trump and Ryan for the failure on the Health Care Bill that just failed. Yes they were part of teams and it involved many many ppl but saying it shouldn't apply in her case ignores that it works that way for a lot of businesses and venues in life and we shouldn't be making an exception without a warranted case.

    2- I will acknowledge that the harassment vented toward her was bad and horrible, but it wasn't the worse [which doesn't lend it to making it acceptable either, I am aware of that] and placing it as misogynistic doesn't make it that the gamers were being sexist either. I don't go around and correct my cisgender, female friend when she calls a player who killed in a game a "bitch" and I don't petend to be appalled that her lesbian sister uses words that feminist find offensive.

    Like I said, it doesn't make it right ever, but I also wouldn't take the criticism as a means of inferring that the gamer community should be painted as male-dominated, anti-feminist community. I'd place it more simply that they were awaiting a game and were pissed massively that something that they felt was simple wasn't addressed. And I get it isn't simple but goes to my next point.

    3- Horrible company relations and outreach. It became evident that she wasn't involved in the project in any way, shape or form but that also falls on Bioware to make a community engagement effort and, frankly, except for Square Enix's FF14 and CCP's EvE Online, the majority and trend in all of this it to create horrible community feedback areas that leave gamers/users more frustrated that there is no outlet to create feedback.

    I once met a developer from the abandoned WISH mmorpg that never came to be years ago and one thing he mentioned that's relevant is that players sometimes want stuff that isn't feasible but don't care and so having a community management and team that addresses it and has experience with the player end but also isolated from them at some level is critical. They need to confront controversies initially and head on and early but not feel that they have to cater to every need and also have the leeway of expression and validating points on either division. Bioware sucks at that but that's also the trend more than the exception and I think this is more important to address than the case of misogyny in the gaming community if only because the issue of misogyny gets addressed issue by issue rather than as a community; with the former painting gamers as horrible ppl vs it being the exception than the norm.

    4-I think the whole critique of the gaming review should also tend to critique the game on terms of what players value versus the game as a whole and reflect that. Demon's Soul was given a pretty bad rating in a lot of areas and not given serious reviews by a lot of major magazines until well after its release and only when a 2nd run of the game came out.

    So all I'm saying is that there are things that players value more and, at the same time, value less than reviewers. It'd be nice if we could get on the same page but that also means having that dialogue and commenting on the merit of it.

    Just my 2 cents and, again not a necro troll/feedback reply but was on vacation and typing this crap on phone is a pain!
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,897
    For critics, I have always considered harassment as part of the job.
  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Never played any of the others, but saw a friend playing this and she loves it. So definitely interested.

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  • ziabatsuziabatsu Member UncommonPosts: 108
    So the guy who posted the video of how bad the expressions were pretty much defeated this article's opinion in one fell swoop. rofl
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    ziabatsu said:
    So the guy who posted the video of how bad the expressions were pretty much defeated this article's opinion in one fell swoop. rofl
    Not even close.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    ziabatsu said:
    So the guy who posted the video of how bad the expressions were pretty much defeated this article's opinion in one fell swoop. rofl
    Considering how much you talk to different people/aliens in this game.  A 5 minute video is like .01% of the total animations.  It's like the cognitive dissonance Anti-vaxxers have.

    This is your argument.


  • YumeTsukaiYumeTsukai Member UncommonPosts: 38
    edited March 2017
    thark said:
    I have now played Mass Effect Andromeda for a good chunk of 15-20 Hours or so, and yes I have noticed the "stale" Eyes that certain individuals have, but ...lol SO. This is just redicoulous hate on Another Bioware masterpiece. Sometimes we are treated with other gems, like the Witcher 3 , were Close to Everything is perfect, I thought they overdid the redicoulous hunt for ? in that game however, It's abit redicoulous and thing that makes W3 bad in my book, but to some people this is a good thing. ME: A is also "nearly" perfect , albeit some stiff human faces, all the ALIENS look fantastic in the game, and I managed to create a fantastic looking main characther with the creator. right now everyone compares this game to a much beloved game on PS4 Horizon and The Nintendo Switch Zelda, good for these game companies they managed to get Everything right, but I still love ME:A and I will not buy a PS4 or a N:Switch ..So I will have to pass on these games and enjoy my time in Another Bioware Classic..

    Well, no, most people were comparing the game with previous Mass Effect games. You probably haven't played those, so you wouldn't know. The *ridiculous hate*... yet you are the only guy saying the game is a *masterpiece*. Do you know the definition of "masterpiece"? Probably not.

    I must admit I have not seen such passionate "fanboy-ism" in quite some time. Sure, some people are upset with animations and not only... maybe too much! Let's say they are "haters" or maybe just *disappointed fans*. But going to the extreme opposite and saying that the game has 0 issues and is a masterpiece.. is just plain shocking. You could be fed *anything* and still claim that it tastes like roses.

    Yet I don't see both parties coming together and trying to find common ground. Something like: this is good, this is bad, this could be good, this could have been worse...etc

    This is not even a discussion - it's flame wars where no one is right about anything. Not even the moderators of this site :)
  • onemegonemeg Member UncommonPosts: 31
    "More, players are limited by only having three active abilities, which I find ridiculously few. However, I understand that between jetpack, evasion, scanning, consumable wheel, etc. BioWare had only that much buttons left for console-players and it obviously traveled into PC version as well."

    This is plenty enough reason for me not to purchase the game. Cater to console players, lose your PC players, hope they're enough for you to stay afloat.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182

    Well, no, most people were comparing the game with previous Mass Effect games. You probably haven't played those, so you wouldn't know. The *ridiculous hate*... yet you are the only guy saying the game is a *masterpiece*. Do you know the definition of "masterpiece"? Probably not.

    I must admit I have not seen such passionate "fanboy-ism" in quite some time. Sure, some people are upset with animations and not only... maybe too much! Let's say they are "haters" or maybe just *disappointed fans*. But going to the extreme opposite and saying that the game has 0 issues and is a masterpiece.. is just plain shocking. You could be fed *anything* and still claim that it tastes like roses.

    Yet I don't see both parties coming together and trying to find common ground. Something like: this is good, this is bad, this could be good, this could have been worse...etc

    This is not even a discussion - it's flame wars where no one is right about anything. Not even the moderators of this site :)
    Most comparisons have been bad, be it ME games W3, Horizon, Zelda etc... The best comparison would be DA:I really. As there were many of the same complaints for that one, about it losing a lot from the series proper in moving to a open world format. Especially in areas like writing/story telling.... The plus on it's side is it was coming off the heels of DA2 which was panned heavily, helping some positivity surround DA:I. As it wasn't the horrible corridor design used in DA2.

    The problem with animation comparisons with games like W3, Zelda, as well as Horizon is, those games have one choice as far as playable faces goes. This alone means far more attention to detail can be applied to facial animation. What looks good on one face, isn't going to be problematic with another (uncanny valley). 

    The problem with comparisons to quality in those respects to ME 1-3 is those games have a sole focus on story, they're not trying to be bigger as games like ME:A, DA:I are trying to be. This alone pushes certain features into a mediocre state, as they need time to focus on everything else. 

    Adding these two things together explains why we're seeing less overall quality in a title like this. It's the same issue Bethesda faces in their games, and why they're more problematic than many other franchises. Take the character creation out of those games and you'd see the level of detail in other areas (such as animation) heighten... that's just the way of things...

    Want bigger games with options?, you have to settle for lesser quality in certain areas. Want great animations? you have to sacrifice options... Want deeper game-play and larger worlds? You have to sacrifice pacing in the story (urgency goes out the window). 

    In short many things could be better, yet making them better, sacrifices something else. 


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,911
    onemeg said:
    "More, players are limited by only having three active abilities, which I find ridiculously few. However, I understand that between jetpack, evasion, scanning, consumable wheel, etc. BioWare had only that much buttons left for console-players and it obviously traveled into PC version as well."

    This is plenty enough reason for me not to purchase the game. Cater to console players, lose your PC players, hope they're enough for you to stay afloat.
    Except consoles are not the reason. What they did was they got rid of traditional Bioware pause-to-use-abilities-and-set-up-combos during combat system. They made it more real time action than any of the previous DAs or MEs. If you played ME3 multiplayer, that is what this plays like except now it also plays that way in single player mode with the only exception being tab to change weapons (you can also use the mouse wheel) and equip consumables like incendiary ammo for example.

    People might not like the new system, but it's not because of consoles.
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  • rertezrertez Member UncommonPosts: 222
    In my book ME:A is a good game. Nothing revolutionary, nothing mind blowing but purely a very enjoyable story and action packed gaming experience despite all its flaws. Being a huge part of the supposedly immersive narrative the Sims-like facial animations are among the biggest problems with this game so far but still they can't negate all the good stuff I've already encountered during my journey since the game's launch. I'm happy with my purchase.

    Of course this game can't beat The Witcher 3 nor can The Witcher 3 beat Mass Effect: Andromeda because they are both outstanding titles in my collection and they are not even comparable as a whole. I'm happy that both of these games exist regardless the fact that The Witcher 3 has far superior facial animations (in fact they're probably far the best compared to any of the RPG games out there) and lighting during its cut scenes while ME:A leaves us with a lot to be desired on the same department. But still ME:A is a great game for me with engaging combat and story elements.
  • DeyirnDeyirn Member UncommonPosts: 460
    edited March 2017
    In USA even elders smoke weed, in my country even elders pirate stuff. In USa pirating is considered taboo, here weed is considered hardcore drug (according to elders)... go figure. In Singapore the law says you must be killed if you have drugs on you. xD Whatever you say is irrelevant in my scenario. People pirate so many things they don't even play/watch/listen (to) them. I know an engineer who uses pirated AutoCAD and nobody cares, because all his colegues do the same. xD


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