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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,370
    Distopia said:
    The fact that it's open world has me wanting to give it a spin. 
    Do yourself a treat.

    Buy a used Wii U or what have you, and play Zelda BotW for an awesome open world experience.

    It's a real shame its an exclusive. Anyone who's a fan of open world games should experience it.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    laserit said:
    Distopia said:
    The fact that it's open world has me wanting to give it a spin. 
    Do yourself a treat.

    Buy a used Wii U or what have you, and play Zelda BotW for an awesome open world experience.

    It's a real shame its an exclusive. Anyone who's a fan of open world games should experience it.
    How much does the U run nowadays? Not that I'm broke, it's just buying a whole console for one game is not something I normally do. That game does look fun though. 

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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    edited March 2017
    JeroKane said:
    Ozmodan said:
    Been playing most of the day.  Fantastic game in my opinion.  Very few bugs and they are all minor.  Once in a while the AI gets confused.  Ran it at 4k to start(PC), but scaled down to 2k for better performance.  Looks gorgeous at either resolution.  This game is much better than the previous games in this series, people do not know what they are talking about when they say a prior version was better.  This version has so much more good content and is far more open world.

    For all the whiners you are missing a really great game IMO.

    People said the same thing about Dragon Age:Inquisition.

    And sure, the first couple hours in were completely amazing. Terrific story and drama sucking you right in, but the climax came so quick and then after couple hours you got your Castle...................... ..............................................and then everything just fell flat like a huge anti-climax!
    It just turned into a boring quest grind, with most quests being boring, unimaginative, huge time sink filler content.

    What a let down that was. Never managed to finish that game out of sheer boredom and tedium. :(


    A lot of reviews are now saying the exact same thing about ME:Adromeda. It being DA:I in space.
    And what I have seen of all the gameplay walkthrough videos, it feels exactly that. I was not impressed.

    The original trilogy was not perfect either on the technical part, but at least made more than up for it by the amazing story, writing skills and voice acting! Those were all top notch and made the trilogy such a success.
    The climax build-up was fantastic.... building up all the way to the end, keeping you engaged all the way, unable to stop.

    And that is the difference here. When you have such an amazing story, writing skills and top notch voice acting. Then technical imperfections and issues are easily overlooked and ignored.
    So far you and a few others complaining about this game have had zero hands on with it.  Imo that makes your opinion kind of worthless.  I have 16 hours in the game so far and pretty much all your talking points are moot.  Game runs flawlessly, animations are fine 98% of the time.  And it's obvious they've learned their lesson from DA:I.  Come back when you have actually played the game and then I might take anything you say with some merit.
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017

    So far you a few others complaining about this game have had zero hands on with it.  Imo that makes your opinion kind of worthless.  I have 16 hours in the game so far and pretty much all your talking points are moot.  Game runs flawlessly, animations are fine 98% of the time.  And it's obvious they've learned their lesson from DA:I.  Come back when you have actually played the game and then I might take anything you say with some merit.
    Here I was thinking the guy had actually played (prior to that post) considering how much he's panning everything about the game and saying the story is bad. Instead it was simple confirmation bias, as it's obvious he had preconceived worries (it being like DA:I) then he found a review that was fulfilling to his prophecy. Oh well , if he misses a game he might have enjoyed because someone else said he wouldn't, that's only his loss in the end... gamers.... 

    The thing I don't get is, I still haven't really seen a truly horrible review yet, while I'm sure they exist, most have complaints, yet in the end give it a 7 or above. Which says to me it's average to good, yet not great, which is fine. They can't all be home runs...

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    edited March 2017
    JeroKane said:


    But what really takes the cake is how the staff is now in attack mode against their own members, making fun of them and attacking them of being over dramatic about the issues this game has and that it's perfectly acceptable for a big AAA studio like EA and Bioware to release a product in such a state!

    And then they keep being shocked and suprised when People bring up suspicion of them getting paid for a glowing review.  Well..... duhhh /facepalm

    I'm sorry? The last staff post was on page 4...well, till now anyway. O.o Given that was over 7 pages ago, that's hardly full attack mode. ;)

    We stand by the integrity of our reviewer and the review itself.

    Just as you've always heard, "Your results may vary." Not everyone will love MEA. Some people will. Most will be somewhere between. 


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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,370
    Distopia said:
    laserit said:
    Distopia said:
    The fact that it's open world has me wanting to give it a spin. 
    Do yourself a treat.

    Buy a used Wii U or what have you, and play Zelda BotW for an awesome open world experience.

    It's a real shame its an exclusive. Anyone who's a fan of open world games should experience it.
    How much does the U run nowadays? Not that I'm broke, it's just buying a whole console for one game is not something I normally do. That game does look fun though. 
    $199 in canuck bucks for a refurbished one from EB Games (Gamestop Canada)

    Thats about $25 usd

    naw just kidding... its about $150 usd ;)

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,433
    Whats ME ? 
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017
    laserit said:
    $199 in canuck bucks for a refurbished one from EB Games (Gamestop Canada)

    Thats about $25 usd

    naw just kidding... its about $150 usd ;)
    Been looking... mostly in the $250 range US. My wife has a PS3 and a bunch of games which would probably knock a nice chunk off :)... I'll have to talk to her. She might actually get real use out of it beyond zelda. 

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    How's the companion AI and command system?  More ME2 or DA:I??


    I literally uninstalled DA:I after, like, 4 fights.  The companion and command system was bush league.  If MEA is better I'll probably end up buying it sometime in the near future.

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  • Asch126Asch126 Member RarePosts: 542
    How to see when reviewers get bought by companies.

    Makes me sad.
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Asch126 said:
    How to see when reviewers get bought by companies.

    Makes me sad.

  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 2,316
    8.7.

    ROFL

    So much for credibility.


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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,005
    Asch126 said:
    How to see when reviewers get bought by companies.

    Makes me sad.
    Because Bioware/EA would really pay an mmorpg website to give them a good review...
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Gorwe said:
    Ozmodan said:
    Been playing most of the day.  Fantastic game in my opinion.  Very few bugs and they are all minor.  Once in a while the AI gets confused.  Ran it at 4k to start(PC), but scaled down to 2k for better performance.  Looks gorgeous at either resolution.  This game is much better than the previous games in this series, people do not know what they are talking about when they say a prior version was better.  This version has so much more good content and is far more open world.

    For all the whiners you are missing a really great game IMO.

    Yeah, it looks good. And looking good = being good. This 4k gimmick needs to stop. Otherwise we might as well sacrifice gameplay on the altar of vanity(oh, right, graphics). I have nothing against ME:A. But your argument reads like my first two sentences here. Very, very shallow.
    "Been playing most of the day. "  Guess you missed that part.  I understand.  After all it was only the very first sentence lol.
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    I was going to make a new thread but I decided against it as I felt it might turn into a s#%t storm. Might as well keep that here.

    Character creation/preset wise, I think that the failings of Mass Effect: Andromeda come from Biowares continued contrived attempts to forcefully diversify the look of the lead role (and random characters created similarly). When I say "diversify" I don't mean ethnically. Does anybody else get the feeling that the character creation is pushing bland (this is my nice way of saying ugly) character looks? Mass Effect has never had a great character creation IMO but, I feel like it's difficult to create "handsome" or "pretty" characters regardless of ethnicity. What the hell is the big deal? Shouldn't there be a choice?

    I'm torn about this topic. In movies, and things that represent our collective society I have no problems with breaking typical tropes, I encourage it. In video games I'm a little bit more protective of what I'm being upsold. It's supposed to be my personalized experience right? When I generate my character, I honestly don't need to be taught that regular looking people can be extraordinary. I already know this. I think we as a people get this.

    I'm not an SJW anti-warrior, and I don't run around spewing "liberal c#%k" Middle America rhetoric, but I am giving Mass Effect: Andromeda side eye when I look at the default character models.

    They're f#%^ing ugly. There I said it. I'm sure they're great people though. Maybe I'm being melodramatic? I need insight from others.


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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 526
    Are people still salty over this? LOL. 7-9 in todays standards is a pretty decent game, anything over 9 is awesome.

    Honestly the rating system should be revamped across the board but even if it was a perfect system you would still get a ton of whiners who don't like a particular game/company/dev/genre who will get the pitchforks and tears.
  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,239
    I haven't played this yet but I don't really care for the review. The author starts her review off VERY defensive and close minded about the criticisms people may have. She even goes so far as to tie those who do have criticisms, like with the animation quality, to some online harassment being perpetrated against one of the female employees. Low blow and bad form. It doesn't help that we have another staff member who has also gotten very defensive and annoyed with people criticizing the game both in this thread and at least one other. They come across as super sensitive fanboys/girls and it's not very professional IMO.

    I actually have no intention of buying ME:A at this time because of my less than favourable opinion of ME3 and the whole direction Bioware games have been going in the past few years. I'll probably pick it up once it drops to $20 or less. I loved ME1 and it's one of my favourite games of all time. It's one of the few single player games that I've actually finished. I liked ME2 and finished it as well but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much, mostly because I found both the characters and story to be less interesting. I only made it past the Mars facility mission in ME3 before calling it quits (I actually did another play through a few months ago and didn't make it much farther). Horrible story and characters and the combat seemed more janky than the previous 2 games. The same pattern followed with the Dragon Age series. Loved DA1 (bad combat and all) and finished it twice. Made it about 3/4 of the way with DA2 and about 1/4 with DA3. Bioware has been going downhill in their game quality for awhile now, for me anyway, and ME:A looks like it's headed in the same direction.

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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 2,316
    edited March 2017
    I was going to make a new thread but I decided against it as I felt it might turn into a s#%t storm. Might as well keep that here.

    Character creation/preset wise, I think that the failings of Mass Effect: Andromeda come from Biowares continued contrived attempts to forcefully diversify the look of the lead role (and random characters created similarly). When I say "diversify" I don't mean ethnically. Does anybody else get the feeling that the character creation is pushing bland (this is my nice way of saying ugly) character looks? Mass Effect has never had a great character creation IMO but, I feel like it's difficult to create "handsome" or "pretty" characters regardless of ethnicity. What the hell is the big deal? Shouldn't there be a choice?

    I'm torn about this topic. In movies, and things that represent our collective society I have no problems with breaking typical tropes, I encourage it. In video games I'm a little bit more protective of what I'm being upsold. It's supposed to be my personalized experience right? When I generate my character, I honestly don't need to be taught that regular looking people can be extraordinary. I already know this. I think we as a people get this.

    I'm not an SJW anti-warrior, and I don't run around spewing "liberal c#%k" Middle America rhetoric, but I am giving Mass Effect: Andromeda side eye when I look at the default character models.

    They're f#%^ing ugly. There I said it. I'm sure they're great people though. Maybe I'm being melodramatic? I need insight from others.


    The developer, voice actors, and pretty much the whole substandard ( the writer has never done anything more than fan fiction and the lead animator is some intern DevianArt reject ) team ( not Bioware, ME:A was farmed out to the lowest common denominator cut-rate inhouse studio they could slap a Bioware tag on ) being SJW's and racist ( against whites in particular ) is why the "game" is the sorry piece of shit that it is.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-19/mass-effect-andromeda-sucky-animations-bigoted-designer-and-fugly-females-lead-cance


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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 526
    Ginaz said:
    I haven't played this yet but I don't really care for the review. The author starts her review off VERY defensive and close minded about the criticisms people may have. She even goes so far as to tie those who do have criticisms, like with the animation quality, to some online harassment being perpetrated against one of the female employees. Low blow and bad form. It doesn't help that we have another staff member who has also gotten very defensive and annoyed with people criticizing the game both in this thread and at least one other. They come across as super sensitive fanboys/girls and it's not very professional IMO.

    I actually have no intention of buying ME:A at this time because of my less than favourable opinion of ME3 and the whole direction Bioware games have been going in the past few years. I'll probably pick it up once it drops to $20 or less. I loved ME1 and it's one of my favourite games of all time. It's one of the few single player games that I've actually finished. I liked ME2 and finished it as well but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much, mostly because I found both the characters and story to be less interesting. I only made it past the Mars facility mission in ME3 before calling it quits (I actually did another play through a few months ago and didn't make it much farther). Horrible story and characters and the combat seemed more janky than the previous 2 games. The same pattern followed with the Dragon Age series. Loved DA1 (bad combat and all) and finished it twice. Made it about 3/4 of the way with DA2 and about 1/4 with DA3. Bioware has been going downhill in their game quality for awhile now, for me anyway, and ME:A looks like it's headed in the same direction.
    where does she start defensive though? The only thing I see is mention with the memes and to set mind at ease?

    And honestly every time there is a review that gets a decent score on this site trolls come out to cry paid. Honestly its annoying at best. If its a bad score you offend people, if its a good score you still offend people. I wont agree with every score and in this case I don't know if I agree with it yet or not, I don't see why people feel a need to base there buying decision on someone else's opinion. We all know things are over blown on the internet, from what I've heard from friends who have the game is the animation isn't bad most of the time, only in certain instances.
  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,751
    I've been playing all night and all day.  And the quests need some work.  But this game isn't terrible.  We'll see.  I'm only halfway through Eos (not far).
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,685
    How's the companion AI and command system?  More ME2 or DA:I??


    I literally uninstalled DA:I after, like, 4 fights.  The companion and command system was bush league.  If MEA is better I'll probably end up buying it sometime in the near future.
    They got rid of the pause in combat system for anything other than switching weapons and consumables so I find myself not managing the companions as much as in previous ME games, Other than holding "x" to get them to rally to my position occasionally, I just let them do their own thing, and they're not bad at helping.

    Everyone is so obsessed with the character models that I've barely seen any mention of this rather large change that actually affects the game play more fundamentally than any other major change from previous ME and DA games save for the addition of the Z axis with the jump jets.

    It changes combat from the traditional Bioware turn-based-under-the-hood way to a faster paced, action system that feels much more like SWTOR than previous MEs or DAs.


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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    JeroKane said:
    Kiyonori said:
    Bioware is nothing but a shell of what it once was. It is "Bioware" in name only. All the talent that made the past games so good (before ME3, really) is gone. In it's place we have inexperienced people with an agenda.

    I'm happy for those that enjoy it, I suppose the same way I'm happy for those that enjoy watching paint dry. I don't mean to imply my tastes are better than anyone elses, but what this company has become, and where it is headed bothers me a great deal.

    I wish I haden't played their first games, then perhaps I could enjoy their latest offerings much more without the comparisons constantly being drawn at every corner, but then I would have been robbed of an actual lovingly crafted experience, so I guess it's a mixed bag either way.

    My face is tired.

    Exactly. Everyone that has played (even more times over) the ME trilogy must be able see what a huge step backwards ME:Adromeda is in Production quality.


    I am a longterm member of MMORPG.com and love this community, but I am currently highly dissapointed in this review and how they let EA/BW get away with releasing such a shoddy, shockingly unpolished, clearly rushed product!

    But what really takes the cake is how the staff is now in attack mode against their own members, making fun of them and attacking them of being over dramatic about the issues this game has and that it's perfectly acceptable for a big AAA studio like EA and Bioware to release a product in such a state!

    And then they keep being shocked and suprised when People bring up suspicion of them getting paid for a glowing review.  Well..... duhhh /facepalm

    This is one of the better reviews out there so far:
    http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14961928/mass-effect-andromeda-review-xbox-ps4-pc
    Seems more politically motivated than monetary. They don't help their case when they censor views critical of that ideology while leaving up political posts in support of it.

    It also doesn't help when staff puts their stamp of approval on this type of nonsense.

    http://i.imgur.com/YyO5Fkf.png

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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,239
    Ginaz said:
    I haven't played this yet but I don't really care for the review. The author starts her review off VERY defensive and close minded about the criticisms people may have. She even goes so far as to tie those who do have criticisms, like with the animation quality, to some online harassment being perpetrated against one of the female employees. Low blow and bad form. It doesn't help that we have another staff member who has also gotten very defensive and annoyed with people criticizing the game both in this thread and at least one other. They come across as super sensitive fanboys/girls and it's not very professional IMO.

    I actually have no intention of buying ME:A at this time because of my less than favourable opinion of ME3 and the whole direction Bioware games have been going in the past few years. I'll probably pick it up once it drops to $20 or less. I loved ME1 and it's one of my favourite games of all time. It's one of the few single player games that I've actually finished. I liked ME2 and finished it as well but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much, mostly because I found both the characters and story to be less interesting. I only made it past the Mars facility mission in ME3 before calling it quits (I actually did another play through a few months ago and didn't make it much farther). Horrible story and characters and the combat seemed more janky than the previous 2 games. The same pattern followed with the Dragon Age series. Loved DA1 (bad combat and all) and finished it twice. Made it about 3/4 of the way with DA2 and about 1/4 with DA3. Bioware has been going downhill in their game quality for awhile now, for me anyway, and ME:A looks like it's headed in the same direction.
    where does she start defensive though? The only thing I see is mention with the memes and to set mind at ease?

    And honestly every time there is a review that gets a decent score on this site trolls come out to cry paid. Honestly its annoying at best. If its a bad score you offend people, if its a good score you still offend people. I wont agree with every score and in this case I don't know if I agree with it yet or not, I don't see why people feel a need to base there buying decision on someone else's opinion. We all know things are over blown on the internet, from what I've heard from friends who have the game is the animation isn't bad most of the time, only in certain instances.
    I don't really care about the score.  I can't say if it's accurate or not because I haven't played the game.  Even if I did, reviews are kind of meant to be subjective opinions, not definitive answers.  It's just the way the review was written and the way some members of the staff have been defending it that have put me off.  It all comes across as just pure fanboyism and they're basically telling people if they have criticisms then to keep it to themselves.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017

    Seems more politically motivated than monetary. They don't help their case when they censor views critical of that ideology while leaving up political posts in support of it.

    It also doesn't help when staff puts their stamp of approval on this type of nonsense.

    http://i.imgur.com/YyO5Fkf.png

    "I'll always support studios that push my politics, even if they're not releasing good games!"

    If you have such a problem with the staff, why not just stop coming here? That goes to all who seem to be chirping about credibility...

    BTW: That post said far more about the game than politics, which wasn't even really political, as much as the person was pointing out they could relate more to the game from an ethnic as well sexual perspective. That is important in an RPG that is character driven after all...










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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited March 2017
    Ginaz said:.  It all comes across as just pure fanboyism and they're basically telling people if they have criticisms then to keep it to themselves.
    LOl... Firstly, most staff posts were defending themselves against accusations of being paid to endorse the game...

    Secondly. They weren't attacking folks critique, they were defending their own right to disagree with the importance of those critiques in their own scoring.

    Thirdly... It's users who come into these places like they own the place, acting as though they get to dictate another person's opinion that are the problem, not staff telling folks to stuff that nonsense somewhere...

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