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Well that didnt last long.

rodarinrodarin Member RarePosts: 2,412
Talk about a flame out.

This game is probably the end for Funcom. 

While they get touted for already making their money back (which from looking at the game and its quality shouldnt have taken more than a few hundred units sold to accomplish), the REAL metric is how many people are playing it? People buy every new game that comes along and when its green lit on Steam and has name recognition a lot more people buy a title than 'should'.

There have been obvious issues, some will claim outside Funcoms control. But not really since they made those decisions in the first place. But that can be debated. The server issue being the most obvious. But that has been worked around, not exactly 'fixed' but definitely better than it was. Not ot mention that server hosting for private servers (where the vast majority of players who played were playing) werent having nearly the issues the official servers were, and some hosts had zero issues.

Now on its face Conan should have been awesome. But with Ark and Rust and Arma III and all the other 'sand box' games it is a very weak knock off. It took people about 2 days to see that.

Now we can debate numbers all we want and people will cite STEAM as 'official' but even they cant manipulate the numbers enough to make this game look like it has any staying power. I dont think they ever peaked above 60K, which includes solos and all servers and any logging in through stream which AFAIK is 100% of the ownership.. The source I use had the highest peak ONLINE at around 33600, that was last Saturday. That was also when around 250K or so units had been sold (with an obvious margin of error) since then the units sold has risen to around 340K. But peak numbers have declined all week. Yesterday the peak was around 35K on Steam and 19K on the source I use to see online players. Again we can debate the numbers all we want but the graph on that site shows a clear pattern, its dropping.

https://topconanservers.com/stats#

Click on the 7 Day option.

Today they might peak higher since its a weekend, but last night was Friday night and they couldnt hit 20K so not sure if a Sat night will be all that different but we will see.

Steam stats show that people are playing an average of 10 hours a day. So the ones that are playing it are playing the crap out of it. But that more than likely means once their burn out point comes it will come faster.

Now I am not solely targeting Conan itself but the idea it perpetuates. Where developers (indie or 'known') think they can just put out a basic cut and paste job of something they have seen and hope they can catch the same lightening in a bottle. Especially if they add some 'unique' mechanic to it. Developers have gotten lazy and desperate I think. Not daring to spend money and hoping that if they do by some miracle make something people will stick with they will make some profits and also make enough to update the game. 

Now with all this being said the thing that saved ARK is now in Conan, namely the mod kit. We will see if the free developing and enhancements the mod makers do with it can help Conan like it helped Ark. Possible but to many people who are burnt out on ARK as well its just more of the same thing.

There will of course be a tournament of some kind once they fix the major bugs, that is assuming they CAN fix those bugs, which is also out of the 'how can we appease players for longer than 2 days' handbook.

But right now this game to me looks to be in serious trouble and its longevity, at least getting anything more than rudimentary patches here and there is dicey.

ARK has sold nearly 5 million copies AND a DLC. Not to mention all the free content mod makers have done, along with hiring some of the better ones to be official team members. As well as 'borrowing' some of the better mod principles and ideas and adding them to the game officially(in some cases unsuccessfully)And that game still has issues, at least on the developmental side. But they have been fairly regular with the official patches and additions which has also obviously help retain or bring back players. But it shows just what you have to do to simply maintain. Once that game officially releases and the updates arent nearly as regular that will be the true test of its longevity.

I think that is what Conan was hoping for to seize those players. Problem is they released this game too early and too buggy and by the time the disenfranchised Ark players were ready to move to a new game this one will be dead.

Time will tell and its all relative at least short term. And the fans will say "I am having fun". Which is all well and good but without players and without revenue there is no new additions and without new additions the fun factor goes away quickly, even if youre hardcore RP, and even with a rabid mod community. It all eventually stagnates.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,599
    Bought it, probably shouldn't have but thought i would give it a go, its a better game than Ark imo, but there is still very much an unfinished feel to the game, i haven't noticed any bugs in it myself, but it does need more 'functionality' which i think will likely be in the game when it eventually 'officially' releases. On the other hand, being able to disable PVP in the game and making it optional so that players cooperate more is not a bad thing, it has possibilities, so keeping fingers crossed on this one. =)
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  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 538
     IMO its a good foundation to build a really great game on but it is still got a long road ahead to get there. It hasn't been able to pull me away from ARK and other games though, simply not enough to do yet. I would wager that as/if they release content updates it will continue to sell well and take its place in with ARK, Rust and the other survival/crafting games.

  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 1,992
    Another Manufactured Drama I'm kicking off the doom and gloom train first post.  The game will be fine as Conan Exiles. It doesn't have to compare to the freakishly successful and fantastic title that is ARK.  Its just silly to take that angle.  There are plenty of people that want to play something different.

    And I used 800 less words.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,238
    Probably the low tolerance for bugs.People may be taking a break for the game to become less buggy.
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  • BeyornBeyorn Member UncommonPosts: 343
    I'm having fun.  Is it perfect? No.
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,247
    It is shallow on it's foundation - so the question is if Funcom will be able develop a solid building over it or fix the problems that exist before going forward.

    I don't think it is a complete failure, but it is far from a good game - it has potential nonetheless.

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  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 695
    edited February 2017
    There were issues last night with official servers and lots of crashes. Two patches in one day. 

    Take a chill pill my man. It's okay if you think the game is dying. That's your opinion and hell, that could be the case. But it has frequent patches and if they keep the content on the rise it will skyrocket. Nobody likes a doomsayer a week in an early access title. I mean what are you trying to accomplish here?

    "Unfinished game not active like a fully functional finished game." No shit bro. The fact they've recouped during their first week on early access is plenty of success. It's barebones at the moment. Come on man. I honestly think you're better than this.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,078
    Hey...

    I'm really grooving on the game and I didn't play last night. There are those of us who still  like to socialize outside of gaming especially on a Friday night.

    Old School as it is ;)

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  • MedflashMedflash Member UncommonPosts: 3
    My friend and I have Conan Exiles on the back burner for now. We are going to jump back into it in a few months and I hope that the rubber banding and other issues we've been having are fixed by then. I did play it for 10 hours, enough to know that this is a game that I'd like to play in the future. After playing The Secret World, I'm willing to throw my money at Funcom to support the development of this game and others. I suspect there are others out there that would love to be playing but have decided to wait.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,874
    THis is why we as gamers fail.....Blindly paying money for games is a ridiculous practice.....IF the game isnt willing to even give a free trial then i am not interested, especially from a company that has had some really bad games.
  • alvastenalvasten Member UncommonPosts: 20
    My question is did you read the the disclaimer that the game was early access. If you don't want to play a game that clearly says it can/will change over the period before  final release, them I suggest you wait till final release.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,471
    I can only speak for myself, but like most survival games - there is no longevity.

     What makes it worse is the dull early game - berry picking, bark punching etc.... and after about 5 times, its just dull

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,088
    They see the big name streamers streaming a new game,they head over to that game for a day or two.

    Nioh will follow the exact same path in less than a month.
    IMO it shows a much bigger picture,gamer's are bored stiff willing to buy anything in hopes it makes them happy.The entire market should be ashamed at the crap they are selling people.

    IMO games have barely got 20% better in the last 20 years,some nicer graphics but VERY little creativity.

    With Conan instead of seeing the obvious right away "what do i do" seemed all were just happy building their hut/home and  forgot the game really offered very little.

    I believe i mentioned it in another thread awhile back,Funcom is hurting for cash ,this was exactly what Landmark was ,a go to cash grab to keep things afloat.

    I am a very firm believer that early access games have NO intention of further development,they are feeler games,let's see  what attention we can get fro ma bare minimum game and if goes well,then we continue developing,if not,thanks for coming out.

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  • rodarinrodarin Member RarePosts: 2,412
    alvasten said:
    My question is did you read the the disclaimer that the game was early access. If you don't want to play a game that clearly says it can/will change over the period before  final release, them I suggest you wait till final release.
    "early access'' is another term  for 'buy our unfinished product and if we make enough money we might finish it'.

    And yes I have played plenty of 'early access' games some I paid for some I got for free some were free to begin with.

    The only one I wanted a refund on was Of Kings and Men, and if you have played that you probably know why. 

    Despite some of the rhetoric here about ARK is also an 'early access' game even though its been out for 18 months and has released a DLC already. So that EA terms gets used when people see fit to use it, so its basically meaningless. Because it means they can still sell it (usually on Steam) with little to no reprisals if they fail to finish it. And Wildcard also started a trend (which others havent tried to exploit yet) of also being able to sell DLCs to games that arent even officially released. but the next so called "early access'' game that has even a modicum of 'success' you can bet your ass they will do the same thing.

    Conan is literally ARK with different skins. And 18 less development and mod presence.

    No matter what they do it is still ARK. Unless they add quests then its ARK with quests.

    So they suffer greatly with the comparisons. The 'retention' (or more realistically the extreme lack thereof) is a sign of that.

    Games best hope is Twitch guys and streamers fall in love with it and they use it as an option instead of ARK. But even that more than likely isnt enough.

    Its a cycle, ARK was Rust with Dinosaurs. And while I will admit ARK definitely built momentum after a very rocky start it still didnt have itself to compete with like Conan does. So while it was cool to say Ark was Rust its now cool to say CE is ARK. But the latter is much more literal.

    And as I said its all well and good for the short term and them making their money back might entice them to release more than what they already had canned. But if you want it to be even a shadow of what ARK offers you better hope more than 350K people buy it and 10K people play it. There are literally more servers than players right now. That is pretty amazing.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,877
    alvasten said:
    My question is did you read the the disclaimer that the game was early access. If you don't want to play a game that clearly says it can/will change over the period before  final release, them I suggest you wait till final release.
    Meh I think a lot of games hide behind that early access disclaimer to charge money for half finished, broken buggy games that may never make it out of early access.

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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,616
    DMKano said:
    I can only speak for myself, but like most survival games - there is no longevity.

     What makes it worse is the dull early game - berry picking, bark punching etc.... and after about 5 times, its just dull

    It is similar for me with the exception that I like the early game more mainly because it is often tough to survive at the beginning (depending on the game).  Running away from monsters or fighting them without proper equipment while desperately trying to get water, food and materials for a shelter before the sun sets usually keeps me entertained. I enjoy the danger and struggle to survive.

    It is the later part of the game which makes it boring for me in the long term. Once I get settled (whatever that means in the particular game) and survived the tough early game, I am usually faced with lacking PVE content and not good enough PVP to keep me engaged.

    I think it is the long term progression goals achievable through enjoyable PVE which makes me enjoy MMORPGs more.
  • AndistotleAndistotle Member UncommonPosts: 123
    it is still no1 global top seller on steam 12 after release. so there is that. 36 concurrent players atm. It is s sucess for sure.
  • dllddlld Member UncommonPosts: 595
    Tracking players through servers isn't particularly good atm, since I can't see over half of them (I know theres way more then 2k but thats all i can see, cant even see my friends one, have to direct ip connect) and it doesn't seem to be a isolated issue.
  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,172
    edited February 2017
    "Well that didn't last long"

    That's what she said
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  • SalmonManSalmonMan Member UncommonPosts: 150
    rodarin said:
    alvasten said:
    My question is did you read the the disclaimer that the game was early access. If you don't want to play a game that clearly says it can/will change over the period before  final release, them I suggest you wait till final release.
    "early access'' is another term  for 'buy our unfinished product and if we make enough money we might finish it'.

    Yes. So what?

    That describes every single Early Access game. That's literally the definition of early access. This game is doing exactly what it says on the tin.

    People who buy into this game, or any early access title, are paying for a bare bones product. Not a finished game. It may or may not not even work some of the time, be really buggy and all sorts of other problems. YOU KNOW THAT GOING IN.

    If you want to avoid these issues, wait till it releases. Then complain if it still doesnt work. ( which lets be real here - its Funcom. Shits bound to go wrong at some point).

    But until then..... *shrug*
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,969
    I can't say from personal experience, because I haven't played either, but I've seen a lot of people say that Exiles is practically a carbon copy of Ark with a Conan skin. If that is the case, I would imagine Ark would be the better bet since it has more content and has had more time to iron out the technical issues. Unless someone really has a hankering for a Conan skin of course.
  • TokkenTokken Member RarePosts: 2,111
    two words: Early Acess. - the reviews are not in yet since the game is in its early stage.
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  • dllddlld Member UncommonPosts: 595
    Forgrimm said:
    I can't say from personal experience, because I haven't played either, but I've seen a lot of people say that Exiles is practically a carbon copy of Ark with a Conan skin. If that is the case, I would imagine Ark would be the better bet since it has more content and has had more time to iron out the technical issues. Unless someone really has a hankering for a Conan skin of course.
    I havent played ark but, it appears to have a much less serious tone and you won't see lasers and shit either in conan, the very basics might be carbon copy but a tone and setting can make a big change.
  • West_LightzWest_Lightz Member UncommonPosts: 22
    The evil streamers made me buy it! Someone needs to put a stop to these tyrants. Kappa
  • linadragonlinadragon Member RarePosts: 572
    the people commenting here on games such as this, using words such as "potential", "great" and "promising"...











    Should all be shot.
    Or how about we take you out back and do the same to you? If you can't see the potential for it to be a bigger game maybe YOU have a problem and are a jaded gamer and should take a break from gaming instead of being a jack ass? 
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