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Never thought I will say this - But WoW is so far ahead of any other imaginable MMO right now

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  • VaselVasel Member UncommonPosts: 194
    Blizzard  has done very well diversifying themselves. And have some great titles recently. But when it comes to MMO's they are dressing up the same cow in different clothing. Thats great if you like that cow.  WOW is starting to show its age. I was so sad they gave up on future MMO's.
  • epoqepoq Member UncommonPosts: 393
    vanilla wow is where it's at.

    discuss.
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,969
    epoq said:
    vanilla wow was where it was at back in 2004 - 2006.

    discuss.
    Agreed
  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,647
    I just read random article , some tidbit about what Blizzard learned from last WoW expansion. And one thought blew my mind.

    300 developers actively working on WoW. Even now 12 years after.

    So its 16 years of continuous content development with team that is 300 people at its smallest - and its all Blizzard quality people.

    LOL , how can anything compete ?

    ( disclaimer , i dont play WoW , neither did I play it since Vanilla )
    16 year 300 people later and they can't figure out a way of keeping what they create relavant for more than 3 months.... WoW
  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 819
    edited February 2017
    I just read random article , some tidbit about what Blizzard learned from last WoW expansion. And one thought blew my mind.

    300 developers actively working on WoW. Even now 12 years after.

    So its 16 years of continuous content development with team that is 300 people at its smallest - and its all Blizzard quality people.

    LOL , how can anything compete ?

    ( disclaimer , i dont play WoW , neither did I play it since Vanilla )
    I'd say FF:XIV is doing just damn fine at competing... and, although it is just a guess, I would also say FF:XIV is a major reason Blizzard is giving half a s*** about content updates again.

    WoW is a fine game for those that enjoy it, and one of the few you can still enjoy without constantly dropping into the cash shop, but to suggest that it is 'so far ahead' of anything (except maybe F2P trash MMOs) is a joke.
  • mrbananasmrbananas Member UncommonPosts: 28
    I just feel like alot of old school mmo'ers need something refreshing with the same excitement we had as kids when we first logged in a mmorpg and felt that overwhelming suspence. But unfortunately I dont think we will ever experience it again with the way mmorpgs are leading. I guess we should be grateful we had 2 amazing mmorpgs, WoW and FFXI, both great classics. Atleast Sqaure enix moved on to XIV, blizzard are still milking their old formula. Don't really blame them. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,931
    edited February 2017
    mrbananas said:
    I just feel like alot of old school mmo'ers need something refreshing with the same excitement we had as kids when we first logged in a mmorpg and felt that overwhelming suspence. But unfortunately I dont think we will ever experience it again with the way mmorpgs are leading. I guess we should be grateful we had 2 amazing mmorpgs, WoW and FFXI, both great classics. Atleast Sqaure enix moved on to XIV, blizzard are still milking their old formula. Don't really blame them. 
    I was 45 years old when I logged into my first MMORPG.  I consider none of the games you mentioned amazing.

    I am re-living past glory with recent launch of an old school DAOC shard, and yes Virginia, you really can go back. So I'm pretty sure we can go forward as well.

    WOW is a juggernaut to be sure, so is LOL but I play neither.

    Oh yes, because smartphones came up somehow, the past 2 I bought were made by "LG" and I'm likely to buy another this year.  

    I'm just an outlier a I guess.

    I did play vanilla WOW for a time I don't anymore. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,624
    epoq said:
    vanilla wow is where it's at.

    discuss.
    There is a reason that WoW went in a direction far away from Vanilla...  Vanilla is done and belongs to the past... sweet memories, but not nearly as good in real life as we remember..

    WoW is where it is, however the community has changed, and its time for WoW to bring back features that definately pull the old timers back in the game, and keep them palying.. Some of those things are in Vanilla, other things need to be fresh and new...

    Personally i trust Blizzard will make this happen, as so far it allways moved forward based on player demands..

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    So your measurement which carries the most weight is innovation? Cool, just wanted to see where you were coming from. So what's the best of all time for you? 
    Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products - it is obvious. If it is well made - it is just average.

    Ahhhhhhh, ok....... Thanks for the clarity. Your post just changed the way the world will review games......

    Crazkanuk

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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,390
    I just read random article , some tidbit about what Blizzard learned from last WoW expansion. And one thought blew my mind.

    300 developers actively working on WoW. Even now 12 years after.

    So its 16 years of continuous content development with team that is 300 people at its smallest - and its all Blizzard quality people.

    LOL , how can anything compete ?

    ( disclaimer , i dont play WoW , neither did I play it since Vanilla )

    I think EQ and EQ2 would have something to say about that. 




  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,469
    I just read random article , some tidbit about what Blizzard learned from last WoW expansion. And one thought blew my mind.

    300 developers actively working on WoW. Even now 12 years after.

    So its 16 years of continuous content development with team that is 300 people at its smallest - and its all Blizzard quality people.

    LOL , how can anything compete ?

    ( disclaimer , i dont play WoW , neither did I play it since Vanilla )

    I think EQ and EQ2 would have something to say about that. 


    Not sure if its a joke but both EQ1 and EQ2  especially took a huge hit to their playerbase due to WoW.

    Also both EQ1 and EQ2 have tiny staff today in terms of developers still working on them, i think  both teams combined are under 30 actual game devs (yes not counting HR, IT, operations etc...) 
  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,205
    edited February 2017
    CrazKanuk said:
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    So your measurement which carries the most weight is innovation? Cool, just wanted to see where you were coming from. So what's the best of all time for you? 
    Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products - it is obvious. If it is well made - it is just average.

    Ahhhhhhh, ok....... Thanks for the clarity. Your post just changed the way the world will review games......
    That is called objectivity. Very few reviews of games are objective. Often the fan boys become haters, when they realize the hype is delusional. Others keep the hype, but it is always delusional. So to call every well made game the best ever, is just stupid, but common behavior. Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few. But they call WoW the best game ever. In comparison to what? The thousands of different games you know nothing about. And that ignorant behavior is more common in the US.
  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace Member UncommonPosts: 621
    Lol throwing money around, and hiring a bunch of people doesn't = quality. That is equal to saying that since mcdonalds has millions of workers, a guy who starts a quality hamburger joint with 5 people has no chance to compete. Cant forget to mention the comparison to say, a huge government project that has billions and millions of people, and they fail at something, a smaller team of quality people manage. As far as video games go though, which is a highly subjective opinion based stew of nonsensical virtual nothings. Having more people doesnt mean jack. 

    I personally think Uthgard, Project 99, and SWG emu beat all modern games. Not because of the game content either, but because they ban you and focus on keeping one account per person, and banning any one who does a real money transaction. That equals much more to me, than a corporation, that would sell their grandma to a player, if it meant getting them more money. Wow is so bad, they said hmmm we arent gonna focus our time on banning cheaters, rmt, people who run 50 accounts, chinese slavers, and the rest. What will will do for you though, is make a cash shop, that has instant level 90s. 
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,128
    I never thought I'd say this but there are 3 things you can count on:
    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. MMO gamers having ridiculous epiphanies they must share
    take back the hobby: https://www.reddit.com/r/patientgamers/

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,969
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    So your measurement which carries the most weight is innovation? Cool, just wanted to see where you were coming from. So what's the best of all time for you? 
    Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products - it is obvious. If it is well made - it is just average.

    Ahhhhhhh, ok....... Thanks for the clarity. Your post just changed the way the world will review games......
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,931
    edited February 2017
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    So your measurement which carries the most weight is innovation? Cool, just wanted to see where you were coming from. So what's the best of all time for you? 
    Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products - it is obvious. If it is well made - it is just average.

    Ahhhhhhh, ok....... Thanks for the clarity. Your post just changed the way the world will review games......
    That is called objectivity. Very few reviews of games are objective. Often the fan boys become haters, when they realize the hype is delusional. Others keep the hype, but it is always delusional. So to call every well made game the best ever, is just stupid, but common behavior. Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few. But they call WoW the best game ever. In comparison to what? The thousands of different games you know nothing about. And that ignorant behavior is more common in the US.
    In comparison to every other game they've personally played of course.

    No one can be expected to make comparisons to "thousands of different games" they've never played.

    Why so much salt bro, having a bad life?

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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

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  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace Member UncommonPosts: 621
    Torval said:
    I never thought I'd say this but there are 3 things you can count on:
    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. MMO gamers having ridiculous epiphanies they must share
    what is epiphanies i looked it up, and it said something about christ. Are you saying mmo gamers are religious. 
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 2,828
    Torval said:
    I never thought I'd say this but there are 3 things you can count on:
    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. MMO gamers having ridiculous epiphanies they must share
    what is epiphanies i looked it up, and it said something about christ. Are you saying mmo gamers are religious. 
    Although it can have religious meaning, here the closest definition would be "a moment of sudden revelation or insight".

    I'll say mmo gamers often appear somewhat religious.  So do sport team fans.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    ikcin said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    So your measurement which carries the most weight is innovation? Cool, just wanted to see where you were coming from. So what's the best of all time for you? 
    Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products - it is obvious. If it is well made - it is just average.

    Ahhhhhhh, ok....... Thanks for the clarity. Your post just changed the way the world will review games......
    That is called objectivity. Very few reviews of games are objective. Often the fan boys become haters, when they realize the hype is delusional. Others keep the hype, but it is always delusional. So to call every well made game the best ever, is just stupid, but common behavior. Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few. But they call WoW the best game ever. In comparison to what? The thousands of different games you know nothing about. And that ignorant behavior is more common in the US.

    Actually, I'd call you out on that bit about objectivity. Why not run over to Metacritic and see the worst possible examples of actual users being objective about a game (on both sides of the coin). For YEARS players screamed that they needed more objectivity, but now we've seen quite simply that players are significantly less objective than reviewers. In fact! You've shown that yourself. At least with a reviewer, I know that they are conforming to some sort of standard for evaluation. I know that they have categories in which they are rating the game. That is so much more objective than saying something like "Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products" which categorizes a number of games approaching zero. You couldn't even tell me a game you considered great. Why? Well it simply wouldn't conform to your own measure. I'm sure that if you gave one I could tell you about a game that it emulated closely or in some regard. 

    Actually, I reviewed games for a website years ago, so I played a mountain of games. Probably more than what you could comprehend. Objectively speaking, WoW would sit in my top 10 list, easily. Also, it's the only game I can say I've come back and played consistently each and every release, even though I get fed up and quit each expansion. 

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but objective you are not! 

    Crazkanuk

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    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
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    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,205
    edited February 2017
    ikcin said:
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?

    Simple logic, as the WoW is the most played MMORPG ever. You do not need source to think. Maybe :)

    CrazKanuk said:

    Actually, I'd call you out on that bit about objectivity. Why not run over to Metacritic and see the worst possible examples of actual users being objective about a game (on both sides of the coin). For YEARS players screamed that they needed more objectivity, but now we've seen quite simply that players are significantly less objective than reviewers. In fact! You've shown that yourself. At least with a reviewer, I know that they are conforming to some sort of standard for evaluation. I know that they have categories in which they are rating the game. That is so much more objective than saying something like "Well, to call a game great, or any product, there should be something great and different from all other products" which categorizes a number of games approaching zero. You couldn't even tell me a game you considered great. Why? Well it simply wouldn't conform to your own measure. I'm sure that if you gave one I could tell you about a game that it emulated closely or in some regard. 

    Actually, I reviewed games for a website years ago, so I played a mountain of games. Probably more than what you could comprehend. Objectively speaking, WoW would sit in my top 10 list, easily. Also, it's the only game I can say I've come back and played consistently each and every release, even though I get fed up and quit each expansion. 

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but objective you are not! 

    I never say WoW is a bad game. So I do not know what are you arguing about. Also I read many bad reviews in web sites, and your CV is a little bit irrelevant. I doubt you have any degree about virtual systems and gaming theories, like many other people who write about games, so explain to me please, how exactly your opinion is more expert and relevant than the opinion of any other player?

  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,969
    ikcin said:
    ikcin said:
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?

    Simple logic, as the WoW is the most played MMORPG ever. You do not source to think. Maybe :)

    Except that it isn't the most played mmorpg ever. So again, source?
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,931
    Forgrimm said:
    ikcin said:
    ikcin said:
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?

    Simple logic, as the WoW is the most played MMORPG ever. You do not source to think. Maybe :)

    Except that it isn't the most played mmorpg ever. So again, source?
    I wonder which one is?

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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

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  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,205
    edited February 2017
    Forgrimm said:
    ikcin said:
    ikcin said:
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?

    Simple logic, as the WoW is the most played MMORPG ever. You do not source to think. Maybe :)

    Except that it isn't the most played mmorpg ever. So again, source?
    And which is the most played MMORPG ever?
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,149
    Forgrimm said:
    ikcin said:
    ikcin said:
    Most of the people who played WoW never played any other MMORPG. Or they played very few.
    Source?

    Simple logic, as the WoW is the most played MMORPG ever. You do not source to think. Maybe :)

    Except that it isn't the most played mmorpg ever. So again, source?
    Which is the most played MMO ever?

    Either way, WoW is the most popular MMO ever. Right now it is the most Iconic MMO there is, there is no denying this.
  • SirAgravaineSirAgravaine Member RarePosts: 497
    DMKano said:
    Because not everyone likes WoW.

    example LoL

    Eh, things aren't so black and white. I play both, and many people I know that play one, plays/has played the other.
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