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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,314
    Kefo said:
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Right so you have no defence to what I said except something unrelated. Cool should have just said that.
    It is so hard to have a "defence" against someone elses personal OPINION.....


    Have fun
    It's not my opinion that CCP owns the asset that CIG is trying to use. It's also not my opinion that the evidence you posted wasn't evidence but you trying to bury the matter in too much info. The only thing we can agree on is framestore helped CCP create the asset. 
    We can agree on that Framestore created the asset for CCP and CCP used it in EVE Online.

    As we have no idea on the nature of the contract between CCP and Framestore, everything else is speculation. But you are welcome to present a copy of that contract ... especially the part that specifically prevents Framestore to offer it to other companies like CIG with the permission of CCP.


    Have fun
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Right so you have no defence to what I said except something unrelated. Cool should have just said that.
    It is so hard to have a "defence" against someone elses personal OPINION.....


    Have fun
    It's not my opinion that CCP owns the asset that CIG is trying to use. It's also not my opinion that the evidence you posted wasn't evidence but you trying to bury the matter in too much info. The only thing we can agree on is framestore helped CCP create the asset. 
    We can agree on that Framestore created the asset for CCP and CCP used it in EVE Online.

    As we have no idea on the nature of the contract between CCP and Framestore, everything else is speculation. But you are welcome to present a copy of that contract ... especially the part that specifically prevents Framestore to offer it to other companies like CIG with the permission of CCP.


    Have fun
    This is so off reality ...

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    What we can do though is look at what typically happens when a 3rd party is commissioned to produce some work and build a hypothesis from that.
    Typically copyright of work belongs to the commissioner, it would be a potential legal hell-hole to maintain otherwise.

    So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that CCP are the copyright holders of the Immensea nebula artwork. The one question that remains, is why would CIG bother contacting CCP and going through all the work of licensing a piece of art when there is a multitude of free examples out there.
    In all the other examples where someone else's work has been spotted, it has been used without license, so it's pretty fair to assume that the same has happened here.

    Tut tut naughty CIG...

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Right so you have no defence to what I said except something unrelated. Cool should have just said that.
    It is so hard to have a "defence" against someone elses personal OPINION.....


    Have fun
    It's not my opinion that CCP owns the asset that CIG is trying to use. It's also not my opinion that the evidence you posted wasn't evidence but you trying to bury the matter in too much info. The only thing we can agree on is framestore helped CCP create the asset. 
    We can agree on that Framestore created the asset for CCP and CCP used it in EVE Online.

    As we have no idea on the nature of the contract between CCP and Framestore, everything else is speculation. But you are welcome to present a copy of that contract ... especially the part that specifically prevents Framestore to offer it to other companies like CIG with the permission of CCP.


    Have fun
    You do realize how absurd that sounds right? CCP pays hundreds to thousands of dollars to get framestore to help them create an asset and you think CCP doesn't own that work? I'd like to know what alternate reality you live in cause my sister can make a killing reselling artwork that people commission for her to do
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,314
    Kefo said:
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Erillion said:
    Kefo said:
    Right so you have no defence to what I said except something unrelated. Cool should have just said that.
    It is so hard to have a "defence" against someone elses personal OPINION.....


    Have fun
    It's not my opinion that CCP owns the asset that CIG is trying to use. It's also not my opinion that the evidence you posted wasn't evidence but you trying to bury the matter in too much info. The only thing we can agree on is framestore helped CCP create the asset. 
    We can agree on that Framestore created the asset for CCP and CCP used it in EVE Online.

    As we have no idea on the nature of the contract between CCP and Framestore, everything else is speculation. But you are welcome to present a copy of that contract ... especially the part that specifically prevents Framestore to offer it to other companies like CIG with the permission of CCP.


    Have fun
    You do realize how absurd that sounds right? CCP pays hundreds to thousands of dollars to get framestore to help them create an asset and you think CCP doesn't own that work? I'd like to know what alternate reality you live in cause my sister can make a killing reselling artwork that people commission for her to do
    Nope.

    What I am saying is: We do not know.

    You do not know. I do not know. Only the one who has seen the contract would know.

    We are free to speculate. That also means you, @rpmcmurphy ;    And that is the only thing it can be for now ... personal opinions and speculation.

    And my greetings to your sister - i always admire people that have a talent for art.


    Have fun
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,550
    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    All time classic  MY NEW FAVORITE POST!  (Keep laying those bricks)

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

  • mrputtsmrputts Member UncommonPosts: 283
    That's Fucking Funny haha

    Ea is like a poo fingered midas ~ShakyMo

  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Erillion said:

    We are free to speculate. That also means you, @rpmcmurphy ;    And that is the only thing it can be for now ... personal opinions and speculation.

    And my greetings to your sister - i always admire people that have a talent for art.
    Have fun

    Sure it's all speculation, but my example is based off how these things typically work. It is more likely that they follow the usual path rather than doing the opposite. Unless there are persuasive reasons for why they would do things differently then it's only a fair assumption to make.

    If 99.99% of people walk facing forwards to their destination and 1 person was spotted walking backwards, it would be pretty daft to say that it is speculation that the majority walk facing forwards.... :)

    Who's sister?

  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    And yet here you are....

    mrputts said:
    That's Fucking Funny haha
    Indeed, totally pointless and yet so much effort put into defending and justifying the obvious

    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    Oh I don't know. Looks like nine pages of free viral advertising for SC to me.
    Does it make any difference though? Compare it to Elite that has zero drama in comparison and also has far less attention via the media

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=/m/0n5v7g2,/m/064hbl

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,550
    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    And yet here you are....



    Because I am trapped... If I could eliminate this monstrosity of a thread from my notification I would do so in a heartbeat.  Clicking the "star" at the top does nothing.  Once I posted in this thread it was like I underwent the ceremony and joined Cosa Nostra.  Just when I think I'm out, I get 10 more notifications that bring me back in!

    All time classic  MY NEW FAVORITE POST!  (Keep laying those bricks)

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,314
    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    And yet here you are....



    Because I am trapped... If I could eliminate this monstrosity of a thread from my notification I would do so in a heartbeat.  Clicking the "star" at the top does nothing.  Once I posted in this thread it was like I underwent the ceremony and joined Cosa Nostra.  Just when I think I'm out, I get 10 more notifications that bring me back in!
    You can check out but you can never leave ....  ;-)


    Have fun
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Erillion said:
    I hereby officially nominate this thread for:  Most useless thread 2017

    And yet here you are....



    Because I am trapped... If I could eliminate this monstrosity of a thread from my notification I would do so in a heartbeat.  Clicking the "star" at the top does nothing.  Once I posted in this thread it was like I underwent the ceremony and joined Cosa Nostra.  Just when I think I'm out, I get 10 more notifications that bring me back in!
    You can check out but you can never leave ....  ;-)


    Have fun

    quite a few of us have checked out long ago
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    edited February 2017
    Because I am trapped... If I could eliminate this monstrosity of a thread from my notification I would do so in a heartbeat.  Clicking the "star" at the top does nothing.  Once I posted in this thread it was like I underwent the ceremony and joined Cosa Nostra.  Just when I think I'm out, I get 10 more notifications that bring me back in!

    Haha that's funny, my commiserations :)
    Post edited by rpmcmurphy on
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Erillion said:

    We are free to speculate. That also means you, @rpmcmurphy ;    And that is the only thing it can be for now ... personal opinions and speculation.

    And my greetings to your sister - i always admire people that have a talent for art.
    Have fun

    Sure it's all speculation, but my example is based off how these things typically work. It is more likely that they follow the usual path rather than doing the opposite. Unless there are persuasive reasons for why they would do things differently then it's only a fair assumption to make.

    If 99.99% of people walk facing forwards to their destination and 1 person was spotted walking backwards, it would be pretty daft to say that it is speculation that the majority walk facing forwards.... :)

    Who's sister?

    The Nebulas in Eve Online are 3D models they are changing depending on the viewangle and position of the viewer, they have to rotate -by accident- the nebula exactly like on the screenshot from Eve - This nebula (and screenshot) is well known because one of the greatest wars in Eve was in front of it ...

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    What we can do though is look at what typically happens when a 3rd party is commissioned to produce some work and build a hypothesis from that.
    Typically copyright of work belongs to the commissioner, it would be a potential legal hell-hole to maintain otherwise.


    A friend I meet most weeks "owns" his artwork. Even the artwork he is commissioned to create. Historically this has been the norm he says. He is one of the worlds top (top) SF artists, has been for c. 50 years and knows and meets many of the others: book covers, wallpaper, album covers, posters etc. for just about every publisher, record company and film studio. He does other art work as well but SF is his home base and he attends conventions, has had books of his artwork publishers, exhibits and so forth.  

    He does say it is getting harder for artists, a consequence of digital. Leading to publishers looking to reduce costs and more recently trying to own the rights. And for some younger artists the likes of MotG have been huge. This hasn't been the norm however - it was cheaper not to buy the rights. 

    As for stock sites he describes it as a minefield. He has shelves of the stuff even though he does his own.

    And they are "beggars" - his words - for lifting stuff and sticking a copyright on it. Something he discovered when a site tried to sue him for using .....his own art work! Prompting legal action needless to say and prompting him to check other sites.  

    As for what has gone on here not a clue.

  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    DKLond said:
    [...]

    So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
    Yeah bad news is still marketing ... like food poisoning news at Burger King.
    Yeah, or some picture of Obama smoking what might or might not be a joint - in his teens.

    For some people, that's a real concern.

    For smart people, that's laughably irrelevant to everything important.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Look!  Why can't we all just "have fun" after all the 'God King' Chris is giving us the bestest game in history all made with other people's wonga.

    Have fun.  




  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Look!  Why can't we all just "have fun" after all the 'God King' Chris is giving us the bestest game in history all made with other people's wonga.

    Have fun.  
    I believe the words you're looking for instead of god king is washed up dev with too many ideas and no discipline. At least that's my take on it.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    [...]

    So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
    Yeah bad news is still marketing ... like food poisoning news at Burger King.
    Yeah, or some picture of Obama smoking what might or might not be a joint - in his teens.

    For some people, that's a real concern.

    For smart people, that's laughably irrelevant to everything important.

    Got to agree, all those people trying to defend the obvious and turn a poking fun topic into a so called concern topic should really find something better to do.

  • Kunai_VaxKunai_Vax Member RarePosts: 527
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    [...]

    So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
    Yeah bad news is still marketing ... like food poisoning news at Burger King.
    Yeah, or some picture of Obama smoking what might or might not be a joint - in his teens.

    For some people, that's a real concern.

    For smart people, that's laughably irrelevant to everything important.

    Got to agree, all those people trying to defend the obvious and turn a poking fun topic into a so called concern topic should really find something better to do.

    This thread as really gotten out of hand.

  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2017
    It just shows how much some tried to "milk" the topic when it has nothing else to be discussed. So here we are beating up the dead horse of the thread as it closes in on 10 pages. 

    It's amazing how we are so used to this circular loop that this type of SC threads quickly become the biggest threads on the entire MMORPG. xD

    .edit, we did it! Page 10! Onwards to 20! :D
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,314
    Kunai_Vax said:
    This thread as really gotten out of hand.
    Still not at 10 pages, so ... still a trifle.


    Have fun
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    [...]

    So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
    Yeah bad news is still marketing ... like food poisoning news at Burger King.
    Yeah, or some picture of Obama smoking what might or might not be a joint - in his teens.

    For some people, that's a real concern.

    For smart people, that's laughably irrelevant to everything important.

    Got to agree, all those people trying to defend the obvious and turn a poking fun topic into a so called concern topic should really find something better to do.

    When you're scouring the SC reddit for drama threads and then re-posting the drama here, you're really not in a position to be telling other people to "find something better to do".
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    [...]

    So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
    Yeah bad news is still marketing ... like food poisoning news at Burger King.
    Yeah, or some picture of Obama smoking what might or might not be a joint - in his teens.

    For some people, that's a real concern.

    For smart people, that's laughably irrelevant to everything important.

    Got to agree, all those people trying to defend the obvious and turn a poking fun topic into a so called concern topic should really find something better to do.


    Hey now, it takes two to tango. There are an equal number of attackers to those defenders who could just as easily allow the topic to die, right? That's cool, though, I have the same issue with accountability with one of my kids. Everything is always someone else's fault, even if he punches someone, lol.

    Crazkanuk

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  • Kunai_VaxKunai_Vax Member RarePosts: 527
    Erillion said:
    Kunai_Vax said:
    This thread as really gotten out of hand.
    Still not at 10 pages, so ... still a trifle.


    Have fun
    According to my screen your post is on page 10  :p

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