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The artist gave 123RF distribution rights (like mostly many other sites too), and someone at CIG stole the image (you basically have to visit 123RF and save the watermarked image on your computer while having the price tag on the same page, google image search as proxy is not working on the most stack exchange sites), there is no human error that could apologise this behaviour.
Watermarked previews are jsut for ... previewing the image ... to download it is theft, to use it commercially and publish it to users does not make this better.
Because they did it clearly at 123RF and there is an evidence for theft - 123RF will sue them - that's what they are doing, that's how they make money (apart from just selling images).
This is a behaviour you would expect from a 15 year old teenie that is trying to create his new PBR version of a tetronimo game in the basement - but not from a multi million company.
I realy can not understand how anyone could defend such behaviour like image theft on projects like this. They are betraying the artist, the backers and the distributer of the image, they are causing more drama and are damaging the whole project.
How many backers may now read the reddit thread and refuse to "buy" new ships because of this?
... And 1 would be already too much ...
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Shame one entire company's employees for the actions of one is something only a blinded hater would do, being it unreasonable and unfair.
And independent of what, HR matters will not be exposed publicly, even if the employee who did that was fired by now.
In my defense I was asleep. But it's all good. When I get off work tomorrow this thread will probably still be going strong. Hell we even got a semi-Bartoni's Law moment up in here! Good times.
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Which is exactly the point. He demanded a retraction of the articles, an apology for Roberts etc. Have you seen that happen?
As they say though someone is always looking for that gotcha! moment.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Perhaps they have paid for a license and the watermarked version got used by accident or they plan to replace it with the paid for version but that seems rather unlikely.
A) If they bought a license but forgot to replace it then at least it's not as horrible but it opens them up to criticism because it's sloppy.
C) If they plan on buying it later then it just shows laziness with whoever should be looking after all of this.
Either way CIG loses in this scenario but B would be the worst since its 12 freaking dollars to buy it and if CIG can't afford 12 bucks then perhaps stolen artwork is the least of everyone's worries
Or have ever downloaded free games via a torrent, or play music they never paid for.
I suspect for many there is a significant double standard being applied here.
Please don't give the "that's different, they are a big company making money from it" excuse.
Theft is theft, no matter who does it or whether you think doing so personally causes artists no harm.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Getting stuff for free, if you're not entitled to it, is wrong but I would imagine getting it for personal use would be looked upon far more leniently than getting it for financial use.
"Stealing" a watermarked JPEG that would take a 5-year old 2 minutes to create in Photoshop.
Clearly an overt attempt at saving money by terrible people.... Yeah
Sloppiness should be condemned by all means, but simple human error does not warrant a nuclear response. The amount of "unpaid royalties" (if there even are unpaid fees) in this case is probably so trivial that the case won't even make the courts.
I mean, ignorant whining and hatred is one thing - but this sort of kindergarden finger-pointing at the utmost trivial is an excellent demonstration of stupidity for people on the fence.
So, thank you for not only being so entertaining - but also so inept at arguing your case
Posting it in any other way means they are just nasty detractors with weak positions trying to tear down something good...
It's also really strange to see people practically condoning IP theft by saying that talking about it is nothing more than kindergaden finger pointing while missing the irony that they are finger pointing and throwing around insults like a kindergartener...
C'mon guys you're going to have to better than that. If reddit (of all places) can discuss it without resorting to thinly veiled insults then I'm sure you can do the same as well.
There's even anything else to discuss? Unless we want to go reposting the stuff posted already for the next 10 pages I don't see how can we "milk" this petty discussion further.
The watermark does not make it royalty free, it is just for preview purposes.
My best guess is that a freshman in game design thought it was a cool and quick idea. Ideas which get you fired.
And if there is a need to hunt down watermarked images then be prepare to pay >$1000 instead of $6 for your stolen image, stock exchange will sue - that's what they do - again I can not see how anyone is OK with this waste of your backer money. This is not human error you have to ignore the price tags on purpose while downloading the watermarked image.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
I remember in 2015 when everyone said by the end of 2016, SQ42 would be out. I think back then people were actually already disappointed that it wasn't out yet. Now? 2017 is looking unlikely. Once again, what will we say when 2018 rolls around? 2020? It always amazes me watching the same few people defend a project that is so obviously struggling.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And if you need to test out a bunch of textures how they look and feel and don't want to pay for each of them place them in a seperate folder that will be deleted as soon as you decided to go for your favorite and therefore paid texture.
Indie developer have more an eye on copyright infringements cause we can not afford to pay the price if caught. In SC terms it is more "the backers will never know ...".
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
It could be any number of things. It could simply be an older placeholder image made by someone no longer working on the game - or it could be a case of forgetting this one source because you're busy 12 hours a day doing all kinds of art.
Contrary to ignorant beliefs, human error is a daily process that we all go through all our lives.
Until there's a way to establish this was a deliberate attempt at "saving money" - which in itself seems utterly implausible given the budget and the people involved - the whole thing is a very, very bad joke.
As in, it's so bad it's actually good and quite entertaining.
So, detractors, as long as this is what you use for ammo - PLEASE go on. To me, it's better support for the game than anything I could come up with.
Unless they have a good explanation, they could be facing a serious disciplinary hearing. Maybe even be taken off CIG's contractor list.
CIG may even be reviewing their QA procedures for artwork. They must have hundreds (if not thousands) of images and models to vet. Perhaps they're not as diligent as they could be, seeing as everything is still in development and constantly changing. They're doing a fairly good job if this is the only slip-up that got through..
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
You could always start a new topic about yesterday's ATV and discuss the Sq42 score, the PG for planets and various foliage instead of being judgemental and moaning about what other people are discussing.