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Why did people freak out over Ubisoft nerfing graphics, but not CD Project for Witcher 3?

TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
edited January 2017 in General Gaming
Why did everyone hate on Ubisoft for showing amazing graphics, only for them to suck at release.

But CD Project did the same exact thing to Witcher 3 (E3 graphics were amazing as hell). But no one cared or made a big deal of it?

I see very huge hypocrisy here. Why is it okay for one company to do it (just because they are "indie"), but another company (that everyone loves to hate) gets dog piled on for the same thing?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,601
    Why did everyone hate on Ubisoft for showing amazing graphics, only for them to suck at release.

    But CD Project did the same exact thing to Witcher 3 (E3 graphics were amazing as hell). But no one cared or made a big deal of it?

    I see very huge hypocrisy here. Why is it okay for one company to do it (just because they are "indie"), but another company (that everyone loves to hate) gets dog piled on for the same thing?
    Except some people did have issue with CD Projekt for doing that.
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    Sovrath said:
    Why did everyone hate on Ubisoft for showing amazing graphics, only for them to suck at release.

    But CD Project did the same exact thing to Witcher 3 (E3 graphics were amazing as hell). But no one cared or made a big deal of it?

    I see very huge hypocrisy here. Why is it okay for one company to do it (just because they are "indie"), but another company (that everyone loves to hate) gets dog piled on for the same thing?
    Except some people did have issue with CD Projekt for doing that.
    Yes. But. Very few. Not nearly the same amount as when Ubisoft did the same thing. Ubisoft's games were terribly reviews (by people not paid reviewers) because of it. But Witcher 3 goes on by with amazing reviews.

    Maybe its all the trolls against Ubisoft, and the mass amount of fanboys over Witcher 3

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,652
    1. What Ubisoft game are you talking about?

    2. Even with less spectacular graphics then shown earlier Witcher 3 is still the best looking game out there, by quite a big margin, this according to both critics and consumers by large. Maybe that is why people cared less, Because it still looked stellar? CD Project still got criticized though. And CD Project is NOT an indie company.

    Also, lol at the Ubisoft trolls and Witcher 3 fanboy comment. Do you always fall back on comments like that when people do something different then what you want them to do? But with a comment like that you did show your true colors, your mind was already made up as to why and how, your questions just rhetorical ones. I still decided to give you an actual answer though, you probably won't agree with it.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Member UncommonPosts: 3,161
    edited January 2017
    The only major differences I see when watching E3 vs. Retail footage of Witcher are the lighting effects. Overall the game is still one of the most beautiful games released.

    If you really want the shader experience you saw from E3 I can point you to a mod (Hopefully your computer can handle it).

    http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/23/?


    On the other-hand Ubisoft drops the quality of content and graphics completely when compared to the final product.

    In the end this practice is misleading, but many developers who attempt to win over audiences with graphical quality do this. Ubisoft is just one of the biggest offenders who continuously exploit the masses with the use of this practice.

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    lahnmir said:
    1. What Ubisoft game are you talking about?

    2. Even with less spectacular graphics then shown earlier Witcher 3 is still the best looking game out there, by quite a big margin, this according to both critics and consumers by large. Maybe that is why people cared less, Because it still looked stellar? CD Project still got criticized though. And CD Project is NOT an indie company.

    Also, lol at the Ubisoft trolls and Witcher 3 fanboy comment. Do you always fall back on comments like that when people do something different then what you want them to do? But with a comment like that you did show your true colors, your mind was already made up as to why and how, your questions just rhetorical ones. I still decided to give you an actual answer though, you probably won't agree with it.

    /Cheers,
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    The release graphics look NOWHERE as good as...

    http://www.rpgsite.net/news/3639-the-witcher-3-e3-screenshots

    Sure, maybe it wouldn't work on most PCs. But that is easily fixed by letting you tweak the settings to your liking.

    Yet, not many people complained about it when it was released. Yet Ubisoft released Watch Dogs, showed amazing E3 graphics and everyone complained. It isn't just trolls/fanboys, its completely double standards.

    If EA made Witcher 3, and showed off the same E3 graphics and at release it was nowhere near as good...everyone would have been up in arms. That is where the double standards and hypocrisy comes in.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Member UncommonPosts: 3,161
    edited January 2017
    CD Projekt Red still provides gamers one of the most graphically intensive and immersive games from 2015. The game still holds its own even after the E3 downgrade (which can be reversed with a quick change to the games shaders). 

    Witcher 3 E3 Presentation vs Retail:


    However, one could say that a company like Ubisoft drops the level of detail in their titles down by 50-80%.

    Ubisoft E3 Presentation vs Retail:



    There is out-lash against CD Projekt Red, It's just not as significant seeing as the downgrade is minor when comparing it to a company like Ubisoft. It's not hypocrisy, the severity of consumer out-lash is equality to the significance of downgrade.

    Additionally, when you're attempting to meet certain graphical requirements for a broad range of computer hardware it's hard to maintain such a high level of detail regardless of company. I personally feel that Ubisoft just goes too far with the graphical downgrades, you could probably run their games on computer hardware that is well over a decade old (have you seen how shitty Rainbow Six: Siege looks?).

    Lets not forget, Ubisoft has released several less than stellar title. So, not only do the games look bad but the gameplay is equally as bad.

    But you know what game I purchased from Ubisoft wasn't misleading and a lot of fun in my opinion?

    STEEP

    I was finally pleased with a product released by Ubisoft. They didn't mislead me and the game provides exactly what is shown.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited February 2017
    http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/135507780430383526/

    Word for word but the same person.

    Different reactions between there and here.

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,397
    edited February 2017
    @TheScavenger I'll give you a better one,

    Why did everyone complain about Mass Effect 3's three endings but nobody complained about Deus Ex: Human Revolution's three endings? ME3 did it a lot better.




  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited February 2017
    Well, I got Witcher 3 mods and it looks a lot better. Looks a lot more how the E3 trailers looked. So guess that is a thing. I just never use Nexus, so I never really bothered to look there. But, now my game is E3 quality

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  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    edited February 2017
    Because Ubisoft is a big bad evil company and people think they will get attention And be part of the kool crowd  if they post side by side screenshots of a game on its lowest setting vs a promo video (as above).  CD isn't the big bad Ubisoft or EA so they get a pass on things like this. 
  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    When I watch the Witcher Video Retail is not a downgrade, I see a game the way it was meant to be.  Those super bright demos, that is with proper shading turned off or not implemented yet.  In the early Demos, what you are see is temporary stock unmodified shaders, and not developed retail shaders.

    The same thing with the Far Cry video.  I see Alpha shaders, and map layouts.  The retail is play tested optimized, and completed game ready shaders.  Both cases are from poor to improved.  This thread says to me that players don't want complex shaders, that want all that "Junk" that costs time and money to make turned off.  Yes vegetation levels go down, and backgrounds are obscured behind large boulders.  That is all part of optimization for retail sale.  Games could be released every 6 months, and every gamer would have to spend $10.000 - $4.000 to upgrade their system again to run the new games.

    Video Card manufacturer want and encourage developers to force gamers to spend $1.200 - $800 a year on new video cards a year.  If you are spending $400 or less every 4 years on video cards, then you are not their prefered customer.

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,697
    When you are a company with multiple products to piss off more groups of people. Their hate stack up against you whenever you release a new product, even if they had no interest in your project from the beginning. 
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  • RelampagoRelampago Member UncommonPosts: 391
    Simple answer.  Sum value of the total final product.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 3,044
    u are doing it wrong u cant compare 1 game vs a full company (tons of games)




  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,604
    Grunty said:
    http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/135507780430383526/

    Word for word but the same person.

    Different reactions between there and here.

    I think @TheScavenger admitted a while back of getting a lot of his topics from other sources like reddit etc.


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,337
    edited February 2017
    immodium said:
    Grunty said:
    http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/135507780430383526/

    Word for word but the same person.

    Different reactions between there and here.

    I think @TheScavenger admitted a while back of getting a lot of his topics from other sources like reddit etc.


    He doesn't get them from here for sure. Despite reading a number of threads on Witcher 3 and it being referenced by posters in other conversations, this is the first complaint I've seen about it's graphics.

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,124
    Why did everyone hate on Ubisoft for showing amazing graphics, only for them to suck at release.

    But CD Project did the same exact thing to Witcher 3 (E3 graphics were amazing as hell). But no one cared or made a big deal of it?

    I see very huge hypocrisy here. Why is it okay for one company to do it (just because they are "indie"), but another company (that everyone loves to hate) gets dog piled on for the same thing?
    Holy crap why the hell did they nerf it now I am pissed...
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,796
    immodium said:
    Grunty said:
    http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/135507780430383526/

    Word for word but the same person.

    Different reactions between there and here.

    I think @TheScavenger admitted a while back of getting a lot of his topics from other sources like reddit etc.


    Yeah he doesn't care about the topics at hand.
    He just copies them from reddit and posts them here as clickbait.
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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    I may be misremembering but I think the major difference is the Ubisoft kept the game files that allowed it to be played at higher quality locked and purposefully downgraded so that the PC version wouldn't look significantly superior to the console version. People naturally found those files and unlocked them: Ah here's an Ars piece detailing the mess: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/06/amid-controversy-ubisoft-denies-downgrading-graphics-on-pc-watch-dogs/


    So the better visuals were in the game's code, just purposefully throttled. That's what caused the outcry. Not that retail was worse than demo/showcase, but the deceitful nature of the change. There was no need to downgrade the graphics at all (for PC users), but they did . . . for reasons. I mean, they did claim a few things about potential performance issues, but users were happy to point out that the game also ran better with the settings unlocked, possibly pointing to those being how it was supposed to be played. I dunno.

    Anyway, if CD project red also throttled and hid settings as well, then yeah we should be pissed the same, but if it's just the difference between showcase and retail, then it is what it is.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,601
    Sovrath said:
    Why did everyone hate on Ubisoft for showing amazing graphics, only for them to suck at release.

    But CD Project did the same exact thing to Witcher 3 (E3 graphics were amazing as hell). But no one cared or made a big deal of it?

    I see very huge hypocrisy here. Why is it okay for one company to do it (just because they are "indie"), but another company (that everyone loves to hate) gets dog piled on for the same thing?
    Except some people did have issue with CD Projekt for doing that.
    Yes. But. Very few. Not nearly the same amount as when Ubisoft did the same thing. Ubisoft's games were terribly reviews (by people not paid reviewers) because of it. But Witcher 3 goes on by with amazing reviews.

    Maybe its all the trolls against Ubisoft, and the mass amount of fanboys over Witcher 3
    Unless you have a specific metric to measure that I'm going to suggest that you don't really know how many people had issue with it.

    For the record, I could care less it's a great game and looks great.
  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff WriterMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 893
    @TheScavenger I'll give you a better one,

    Why did everyone complain about Mass Effect 3's three endings but nobody complained about Deus Ex: Human Revolution's three endings? ME3 did it a lot better.
    Seeing as they have canned the franchise for now I'd said it's because no one cares about Deus Ex when compared to the scope of people that care about Mass Effect.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,601
    Grakulen said:
    @TheScavenger I'll give you a better one,

    Why did everyone complain about Mass Effect 3's three endings but nobody complained about Deus Ex: Human Revolution's three endings? ME3 did it a lot better.
    Seeing as they have canned the franchise for now I'd said it's because no one cares about Deus Ex when compared to the scope of people that care about Mass Effect.

    Additionally, did people complain about Mass Effect having three endings (I doubt it) or how those endings manifested? I imagine it was the latter.
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    immodium said:
    Grunty said:
    http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/135507780430383526/

    Word for word but the same person.

    Different reactions between there and here.

    I think @TheScavenger admitted a while back of getting a lot of his topics from other sources like reddit etc.


    These are his words in both places.  The reactions at the two sites are a bit different.
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  • scabzyscabzy Member UncommonPosts: 94
    the witcher 3 down grade was subjective and minimal, the end result was still very close, which i personally as polished design choices, like the water and the camera view, excessive dust while horse riding, some of them might have been annoying to players.
    but watch dogs for exemple the down grade was so huge and the end result is so much worse, that it wasn't even the same game anymore, and the changes were objectively bad,  removing the lighting, reflections, level of details.
    bottom line cdproject downgrade felt like more polishing, with necessary sacrifices at times.
    while ubisoft felt like a pure false advertissement, maybe they expected too much from the new consoles, but when hit with the console's limits they went apes on downgrade without even trying to polish the game or rework it correctly.
  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 877
    edited February 2017
    Not sure which Ubisoft game you are refering to (I can think of a few), but it is possibly because The Witcher 3 was still a great game (and still looked really good) despite the downgrade, meanwhile most Ubisoft games are fairly shallow, and thus rely on amazing graphics to make them Edit: 'better'; take away the eye candy and you're left with 'meh'.
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